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if you believe melchizedek is god...

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by lambofgod43985889, Jul 4, 2020.

  1. lambofgod43985889

    lambofgod43985889 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    would you write right now "blest are you melchizedek my lord and savior"?
     
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  2. BobRyan

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    No - why would anyone want to do that? Melchizedek was an OT king - of Salem.
     
  3. lambofgod43985889

    lambofgod43985889 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    because they say melchizedek is jesus
    melchizedek has no age
     
  4. BobRyan

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    Sounds kinda strange to me
     
  5. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    The idea that Melchizedek was the pre-incarnate Jesus is one that apparently seems to pop up now and again in Christianity history, and each time the Church has had to argue that no, Melchizedek was just a human being, an ordinary man who was born, lived for a while, then died.

    An example of this heresy in history was a 5th century sect known the Melchisedekites who maintained that Melchizedek was an incarnation of the Logos.

    But the orthodox teaching, the biblical teaching, is pretty straightforward. The author of the epistle to the Hebrews argues that Jesus is a high priest in the same way that Melchizedek was a high priest--that is, both Melchizedek was a high priest though not of the lineage of Aaron and Levi; so too Jesus is high priest though not of Aaronic descent. Jesus is therefore the Great High Priest "in the order of Melchizedek" that is, after the pattern of Melchizedek.

    It does not mean that Melchizedek literally had no parents, the author instead means that Melchizedek had no priestly lineage.

    It does not mean that there is some "Melchizedek priesthood", the author is speaking of Melchizedek's priestly position as a type of Christ's priestly advocacy.

    And it most certainly does not mean that Melchizedek was Jesus. No more that Adam was Jesus (Jesus is called the "second Adam"), or that Moses was Jesus (Jesus is called "the prophet like Moses"). A number of biblical figures are types of the One who would come, Melchizedek is but one of several figures who Christians saw as typifying the Lord who would come, born of Mary.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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  6. lambofgod43985889

    lambofgod43985889 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    can you pray to melchized3k?
     
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    Do you mean the comparison of roles in Hebrews 5? Who is it that claims they are the same person?
     
  8. ViaCrucis

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    Well as a Lutheran I don't ask the saints in heaven to pray for me. That is what Melchizedek would be--just another one of the saints, like Abraham, Moses, David, Paul, Peter, John, Augustine, etc.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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    many in the whole world
     
  10. lambofgod43985889

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    but melchizedek is especial, he has no beggining of days
     
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    Read the whole passage - it also says that ‘Levi was in the body of his ancestor’ (Abraham). There is a comparison there between 2 orders that follow the same strand through to the NT, Abraham’s lineage and that represented by the concept of Melchizedek’s priesthood, that ‘resembles’ the son of god, a priestly order that has no beginning or end juxtaposed with Abraham’s earthly descent. It’s a figurative picture of the relationship between the human and the divine.
     
  12. ViaCrucis

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    The Bible doesn't mention where Melchizedek came from, who his parents were, etc. That's all that means.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  13. Paulus59

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    No, I wouldn't call him My Lord & Savior, that is reserved for Jesus and him alone. Maybe Melchizedek was some sort of preincarnate representation of Jesus to Abraham, but nonetheless he remains a mysterious figure and is worthy of reverence, but there is no need to call him Lord & Savior.

    I copied & pasted the following from GotQuestions concerning Melchizedek that you may find interesting:

    Question: "Who was Melchizedek?"

    Answer:
    Melchizedek, whose name means “king of righteousness,” was a king of Salem (Jerusalem) and priest of the Most High God (Genesis 14:18–20; Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:6–11; 6:20—7:28). Melchizedek’s sudden appearance and disappearance in the book of Genesis is somewhat mysterious. Melchizedek and Abraham first met after Abraham’s defeat of Chedorlaomer and his three allies. Melchizedek presented bread and wine to Abraham and his weary men, demonstrating friendship. He bestowed a blessing on Abraham in the name of El Elyon (“God Most High”) and praised God for giving Abraham a victory in battle (Genesis 14:18–20).

    Abraham presented Melchizedek with a tithe (a tenth) of all the items he had gathered. By this act Abraham indicated that he recognized Melchizedek as a priest who ranked higher spiritually than he.

    In Psalm 110, a messianic psalm written by David (Matthew 22:43), Melchizedek is presented as a type of Christ. This theme is repeated in the book of Hebrews, where both Melchizedek and Christ are considered kings of righteousness and peace. By citing Melchizedek and his unique priesthood as a type, the writer shows that Christ’s new priesthood is superior to the old levitical order and the priesthood of Aaron (Hebrews 7:1–10).

    Some propose that Melchizedek was actually a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ, or a Christophany. This is a possible theory, given that Abraham had received such a visit before. Consider Genesis 17 where Abraham saw and spoke with the Lord (El Shaddai) in the form of a man.

    Hebrews 6:20 says, “[Jesus] has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” This term order would ordinarily indicate a succession of priests holding the office. None are ever mentioned, however, in the long interval from Melchizedek to Christ, an anomaly that can be solved by assuming that Melchizedek and Christ are really the same person. Thus the “order” is eternally vested in Him and Him alone.

    Hebrews 7:3 says that Melchizedek was “without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.” The question is whether the author of Hebrews means this actually or figuratively.

    If the description in Hebrews is literal, then it is indeed difficult to see how it could be properly applied to anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ. No mere earthly king “remains a priest forever,” and no mere human is “without father or mother.” If Genesis 14 describes a theophany, then God the Son came to give Abraham His blessing (Genesis 14:17–19), appearing as the King of Righteousness (Revelation 19:11,16), the King of Peace (Isaiah 9:6), and the Mediator between God and Man (1 Timothy 2:5).

    If the description of Melchizedek is figurative, then the details of having no genealogy, no beginning or ending, and a ceaseless ministry are simply statements accentuating the mysterious nature of the person who met Abraham. In this case, the silence in the Genesis account concerning these details is purposeful and better serves to link Melchizedek with Christ.

    Are Melchizedek and Jesus the same person? A case can be made either way. At the very least, Melchizedek is a type of Christ, prefiguring the Lord’s ministry. But it is also possible that Abraham, after his weary battle, met and gave honor to the Lord Jesus Himself.

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