aiki. what do you get accepting there is a god in every human? nothing! your life wont change knowing a detail in the bible
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O ok. Now I get it. You don't know what the word nature means. Here iisa few fefinitions I got from google.Yes? And? Does this verse say "That we might be made God Himself"? Nope.
Why do you insert "same nature"? That's not what the verse says. A surprising addition from one who was cautioning me about adding or taking away from Scripture. Being like Christ is not sharing in the divine essence or nature. We may be seek to be like him in our conduct, but doing so does not mean we are, therefore, deities.
No, same behaviour.
The "seed" is the Holy Spirit who gives us a second, spiritual birth by which we are "made alive unto God." The Holy Spirit does not makes us into gods, however, for there is only One Triune God beside whom there is no other god. He empowers and transforms us, but we remain created beings, prone to sin, finite, ignorant and imperfect.
This isn't speaking of nature but of attitude and behaviour.
This is a commandment to follow, not a declaration of our divinity!
This verse says nothing about Cain being of the devil's nature. It says he did evil, but it says nothing at all about his nature. You are reading into the verse what it doesn't say.
In all of the rest of the verses and passages where you do this "same nature/devil's nature" stuff you're guilty of the very same things as I've pointed out above.
God divided the sea for Moses. It was not something Moses himself did.
False doctrine. Plain and simple. You are not one of the Twelve to whom Jesus spoke the words above, charged with the establishment of the Early Church. And I have yet to see a believer do anything even remotely as incredible as commanding a mountain to fall into the sea - even ones like you who make outrageous claims to supernatural power. That's because Mark 11:23 doesn't apply to any but those to whom Christ was speaking.
He created us; He did not "father" us. Like does not beget like in this instance because we are not God's physical progeny but His creations. And just like a painting an artist paints is his creation, not his actual progeny, we are creations, not the progeny of God. This is very obvious and simple reasoning...
No, Jesus was not kidding. He meant what he said. How is his command accomplished? By the atoning work of Christ at Calvary, the spiritual regeneration and empowering work of the Holy Spirit, and the imputation of Christ's righteousness to us. Don't you know this?
A better translation of this verse - and a much more common translation - is as follows:
1 Corinthians 2:6
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
The NKJV, NASB, ESV, NIV, NRSV, ISV, etc. all use "mature" instead of "perfect." Changes your question, I think, quite a bit.
You don't possess God's nature. You simply don't. God's Spirit within you (if you are one of His) possesses God's essential nature, but you are intractably human. You can act like God in some superficial respects, but this no more makes you God than a monkey acting like a human makes the monkey a human. Similarity does not equate to identicality.
Adam was created innocent. He had no moral sense, no sense of good and evil. He only obtained this sense when he disobeyed God and ate of the Forbidden Fruit. And the fact that Adam was created separates his human nature eternally and fundamentally from God's nature. Surely, this is stating the obvious...
This is false. Coming from God, being one of His creations, does not make you of the same "species" as God. You are not a little god; you are a little human. You had a beginning; God did not; you depend upon God for your existence; God depends upon nothing for His existence; God is perfect; you sin every day. Very clearly, you are NOT of the same "species" as God.
This is silly. Omniscience is a fundamental aspect of God's nature; it is part of what makes God, God. If He were not omniscient, God would not be God. This is basic Christian theology. To assert on one hand that you are the same as God and then admit on the other that you don't share in His essential nature is to speak nonsense. You can't be both God and not-God at the same time! Why don't you understand such a basic rule of logic?
This verse does not say you possess God's nature. It says you may be like God but it doesn't say you will be identical to Him. To say, though, that you possess God's nature requires that you be just like God in His divine essence. And you aren't. You aren't even close. No one is.
It was very important because Jesus was claiming to speak for God and to be God in the flesh. You make a claim like that, you'd better be able to prove it! And Jesus did. But not to prove he was saved, but that he was the Saviour come from God to redeem mankind.
Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Are they following you? Do you at least believe in them? It's the difference between a believer and an unbeliever and don't tell me it is not so. I've personally seen and experienced such. It Shall! not maybe, perhaps or if you feel like it.
If God tells me to, yes. Like Moses. The sea had to listen to him. And once again, I've seen it done so I know it's true. Even Jesus said...
John 5:30 (KJV)
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
That's pretty carnal. They are not my enemy. Maybe you should ask what I mean by that firstly.
1 John 4 (KJV)
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
So what does this Scripture actually say? That if you believe that Jesus Christ lived in flesh on earth that you are of God? Then why are we arguing? We are both of God then.
No, it does not say he that confesseth that Jesus Christ have come in the flesh but rather Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Present tense. What flesh? My flesh and my brother's flesh and my sister's flesh. Which you obviously deny by what you are saying.
aiki. what do you get accepting there is a god in every human? nothing! your life wont change knowing a detail in the bible
O ok. Now I get it. You don't know what the word nature means. Here iisa few fefinitions I got from google.
Definition of nature
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a : the inherent character or basic constitution (see constitution 2) of a person or thing : essence the nature of the controversy
b : disposition, temperament
it was his nature to look after others — F. A. Swinnerton
her romantic nature
2
a : a creative and controlling force in the universe
b : an inner force (such as instinct, appetite, desire) or the sum of such forces in an individual
3
: a kind or class usually distinguished by fundamental or essential characteristics documents of a confidential nature acts of a ceremonial nature
4
: the physical constitution or drives of an organism; especially : an excretory organ or function —used in phrases like the call of nature
5
: a spontaneous attitude (as of generosity) GET IT?
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: the external world in its entirety
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a : humankind's original or natural condition
b : a simplified mode of life resembling this condition escape from civilization and get back to nature
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: the genetically controlled qualities of an organism
nature … modified by nurture — E. G. Conklin
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: natural scenery enjoyed the beauties of nature
maybe you are the ones who called jesus a blasphemous. when they called him blasphemous he said why? isnt written in the law ye are gods?This "detail in the Bible" is a lie is an enormous and highly blasphemous lie.
Ok, let's agree to disagree. Seeing you are unable to grasp this very basic Scriptural principal of dying to you own nature and then receiving God's nature letting Him express Himself through your flesh, let me ask you this question; When do you believe you have the Holy Ghost? When you believe or after you believe, believing unto the Holy Ghost and how do you know when you have it?I have all along been operating from the first and chief definition of "nature" that your Googled definition above lays out:
1
a : the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing : essence...
Everything that I have written in my past few posts has been anchored to this meaning of the word "nature."
I have all along been operating from the first and chief definition of "nature" that your Googled definition above lays out:
1
a : the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing : essence...
Everything that I have written in my past few posts has been anchored to this meaning of the word "nature."
maybe you are the ones who called jesus a blasphemous. when they called him blasphemous he said why? isnt written in the law ye are gods?
and you twist this saying no that means rulers and judges
Ok, let's agree to disagree. Seeing you are unable to grasp this very basic Scriptural principal of dying to you own nature and then receiving God's nature letting Him express Himself through your flesh, let me ask you this question; When do you believe you have the Holy Ghost? When you believe or after you believe, believing unto the Holy Ghost and how do you know when you have it?
the context is that they are saying jesus was a blaphemous, that's the context right? and jesus make them clear that to be a god isn't something they can't understand, the didn't read already, it's something they shouldn't deny because there is a god in every human. we are not saying we are equal gods as jesus, he is god himself, we are saying we are inferior godsHow have I twisted the verse in Psalms 82? I have understood the verse in its context
Believers will technically become gods/elohim, by taking on the divine nature of Messiah, who also has the divine nature. We will be divine like God. We do not have divine bodies yet. When the Messiah comes back, His followers will attain immortal bodies and become divine.the context is that they are saying jesus was a blaphemous, that's the context right? and jesus make them clear that to be a god isn't something they can't understand, the didn't read already, it's something they shouldn't deny because there is a god in every human. we are not saying we are equal gods as jesus, he is god himself, we are saying we are inferior gods
Like I said, you're understanding of the new birth is not up to scratch. I advise you to reconsider your doctrinal shortcoming. You're either like Him or you are lost. You either become the Word for your day or you are fighting the Word for your day. And the Word is God. The Promise is God.It isn't that I don't understand dying to Self, to my carnal nature, to the "old man" (Ro. 6:6), but that I don't agree with your frequent mishandling of Scripture, your poor reasoning concerning the way God transforms us by His Spirit, and what it means to be a child of God.
I am indwelt by God's Spirit at the moment of my spiritual second birth. It is by the Spirit that I'm made "alive unto God" and born-again.
How do I know I have the Holy Spirit?
1. Because the Bible says so. (Ps. 119:160; 1 Jn. 5:11-13; Ro. 10:17)
2. By a new sensitivity toward sin. (Jn. 16:8)
3. By a love for the brethren. (1 Jn. 3:14)
4. By the inner witness of the Spirit. (Ro. 8:16)
5. By a hunger for the word of God. (Jer. 15:16; Ps. 19:8-11)
6. By the development of the Fruit of the Spirit. (Ga. 5:22, 23)
7. By a deep and abiding love for God. (Matt. 22:36-38; 1 Jn. 4:15-19)
Like I said, you're understanding of the new birth is not up to scratch. I advise you to reconsider your doctrinal shortcoming.
You're either like Him or you are lost. You either become the Word for your day or you are fighting the Word for your day. And the Word is God. The Promise is God.
In my experience over the years I've notice you get two kind of Christians. The confessors and denyer. The confesser recognize and admid that though he is not worthy God gave him His nature and you see signs and miracles following the believer.
Your views cuts God out of your Life.
Not that I'm great but Jesus Christ is come in my flesh and aboded in my heart and it would be sin for me to deny that.
I say these things by His authority and I can back it up with Scripture all the way from Genesis to Revelation.
This is the very reason God created man, it is God becoming tangible.
If you do not live that Word you will not be their, because you only have a religious spirit like Cain and not the Spirit of God.
John 14:20You have yet to show that I have any.
This is basically sound-byte nonsense. See my last few posts.
In my experience over the many years I've been a disciple of Christ, I have seen "Christians" who pursue a sensual faith that seeks after signs, after hyper-emotional moments, after tingles, and shivers, and senseless babbling, and miracles. They have forgotten that "an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign." (Matt. 12:39) They don't realize that when their faith becomes sensual in this way it also becomes earthly and demonic, too. (Ja. 3:15) These Christians are ripe for false doctrine, believing they understand God's truth when they are in fact woefully ignorant of it. These are the ones who take the view of eastern mystic religions and proclaim themselves little gods. These are the ones who allow pantheism and New Age thinking to infiltrate their doctrine and twist Scripture without even knowing it. Their signs and wonders are shams; their experiences of the Spirit parallel demonic possession; and they think fog machines and glitter are acts of God. Of these sort Scripture says:
Hebrews 5:12
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
Philippians 3:18-19 (NKJV)
18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--who set their mind on earthly things.
Baloney. I doubt you really even understand my view.
No one's asking you to deny this. I'm certainly not. But Christ being within you by the Spirit no more makes you God than me being in my apartment makes my apartment human. This is not hard to understand...
You haven't managed to do so thus far. Simply throwing out verses you think say what you believe is not backing up your views. It is proof-texting which is the classic tactic of the false teacher.
Again, baloney. And blasphemy. God became Man in the person of Christ. The rest of us are just fallible, finite, dependent human beings.
And baloney a third time. Your blasphemous perspective is NOT necessary to salvation or being part of God's family, whatever you may assert.
Yes we are to become like God. I agree, but we are to be as close to as perfect as possible. I forget, are you in agreement with this guy that we are gods too? What I have been saying is that we are to be as perfect as possible and become like God, and carry God's works through us. But He knows we will fall and and are not perfect which therefore, stands to reason that we aren't gods too. Not even close.