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If UFO's are proven to be 100% real, what happens to your faith?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Basil the Great, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. BNR32FAN

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    Who said the aliens weren’t human?
     
  2. BNR32FAN

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    I noticed that. Notice it doesn’t specifically state there is no life outside of earth.
     
  3. Jipsah

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    THey're not doing a very good job of it, then, because there's no evidence that there are any aliens, demonic or otherwise.

    And which very few people believe exist. That's the trick innit?" Demons, who most people don't believe exist, are trying to deceive people into thinking they're aliens, which most people don't believe exist. It's like Bob Johnson, who nobody ever heard of,trying to deceive people into believing that he's John Smith who doesn't exist at all. Why bother? If I'm going to impersonate someone, I want it to be someone who there's some advantage in impersonating, don't you reckon?

    Deceove people to what end? Believing aliens exist? The credulous already believe that, no deception necessary. All they need is a bit of pseudo-logic like "there have to be aliens because the universe is really big", and they're hooked. Is this like a demonic hobby, deceivng for the sake of deception?

    Fact 1: There is no evidence for the existence of aliens.
    Fact 2: THere is no evidence of demons rying to pass temselves off as aliens.
    Supporting evidence for Fact 2: There is no evidence for the existence of aliens.
     
  4. Unqualified

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    for us’.
     
  5. Walk together

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    I am happy to hear that you don't believe in ET but like most people you are being deceived, How you ask well let's say in the future many crafts appeared in the sky and all the would was witness to this incredible site what would you say then, Aliens or Demons trust me it will be Demons. Just because you haven't seen them yet or had any experience with the phenomenon doesn't mean it's not true the Devil's time is short but long enough to dangle his bait and make a case for ET here to help you a con man will spend much time gaining his victims trust and then at the right time he will make his move and destroy take for himself steel rob and plunder yes the devil works just like any criminal only with much more intelligence it's like a long game of chess for the Devil and he makes his moves with great precision. Do you think the Devil is doing nothing playing chess by himself NO he is hard at work setting up the last and final attack against humanity and his creator it's coming and it's coming very fast the last days are hear be ready Don't be Deceived..
     
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    So God must have decided to leave out the parts that seem to matter to so many he warns us about the Devil the demons the fallen ones but decided to let us work out the deceptive alien phenomenon for ourselves yes that makes sense I'm sure. What the bible doesn't mention does not matter or does not exist. The Devil is very real and that is why it is written. Don't be deceived.
     
  7. The Liturgist

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    Nothing, since I generally agree with Fr. Seraphim Rose, memory eternal, a convert to Orthodox Christianity who in his book Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future warned of the dangers of UFO cults. He wrote that in 1975 and reposed in the early 1980s, and then we saw in the 1990s the tragedy with Heaven’s Gate, and one could also argue Scientology is a UFO cult in some respects.

    Given the astronomical distance between our solar system and another with a probable Earth-like planet, I would suspect any aliens who disembarked a UFO to simply be the work of demonic deception.
     
  8. The Liturgist

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    If they came with a theological message of any kind that would make it impossible to convince me they were not demonic.
     
  9. Davy

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    Amazing how many brethren will listen to a bunch secularism on this UFO issue without relying on God's Word about it, and it is... covered in God's Word. Those not aware that it is show they need to study their Bible more.

    The very object that Ezekiel was describing he saw, with God's throne upon it, in Ezekiel 1, was a craft of that other dimension of the Heavenly. God allowed Ezekiel to see it, and Ezekiel was trying to do his best to describe it based on the known objects around him in that day. Those who don't understand how such a vehicle could be possible simply do not yet understand that other dimension of existence where God and the angels dwell, nor what is soon to come upon this earth.

    In Revelation 12:7-17, we are shown about a war that is to take place in Heaven at the 'end' of this world, between the Archangel Michael and Satan. Jesus tells us there through John that Satan 'with' his angels will be kicked out of the heavenly, and cast down to this earth among us. And that Scripture is indeed for the very end of this world, because that event is linked to the future tribulation of the saints' fellowservants of the 5th Seal of Revelation 6 giving their Testimony for Christ.

    So really, what are all these UFO movies, and now a final admitting of governments about their existence? Why would the U.S. government admit the existence of such objects now, after having denied their existence for so many decades? That is what the believer ought to be asking theirself. In my opinion, their admitting it, and the plethora of UFO documentaries and TV shows are nothing more than 'conditioning' in prep for their coming and appearance on earth at the end.

    Are pastors in the Churches preparing their congregations for this coming event? Some maybe. But they all should be covering it according to the Bible Scripture I mentioned above, instead of just saying UFO's are nothing but a hoax, and nothing is written in The Bible about it.
     
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  10. Unqualified

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    That’s satan, not ufos. And the Ezekiel is God not ufos. Why is it a vehicle ? because it has wheels?

    why do you want them so bad? do you want to lose your faith?
     
  11. Davy

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    Are evil men also born in the flesh like God's people? Do evil people also drive cars in our earthly world? Yes. Likewise in the heavenly, Satan and his angels do too, just as God's angels also do.


    But notice this verse, particularly the phrase in red...

    Rev 12:7-8
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    KJV

    God's Word declares the existence of only 2 separate dimensions of existence, this earthly one we live in, and the Heavenly one where God and the angels dwell.

    Since that Scripture reveals at that time, Satan and his will no longer have their 'place' (Greek topos, meaning home, or location, etc.), in the Heavenly one, where else then is left for them to go?
     
  12. LizaMarie

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    This is how I feel. And I like Star Trek and have Read C.S. Lewis' Space trilogy too!
    That said, I think what we are dealing with today is interdimensional not extraterrestrial.
     
  13. Davy

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    And I definitely agree.

    I believe those vehicles are popping in and out between our dimension and the heavenly dimension. And because they are vehicles of the heavenly dimension order, I believe also that is why they are not subject to the gravity and such effects from our earthly dimension, which would explain how some have seen them suddenly zip off at miraculous speeds. Militaries don't have anything that goes faster than Mach 10 that I know of. That's pretty fast, but not like those vehicles some claim to have to seen vanish suddenly.
     
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  14. Unqualified

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    but it’s literal satan and God. satan does have access to heaven. And he is cast down to earth. Oh I see, you agree that satan is the ufos but not a delusion. I guess you think he is here already.
     
  15. Walk together

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    Davy is keeping his faith he is saying that the Devil is trying to deceive us.
     
  16. Davy

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    Here's some things to consider...

    Ezek 1:4
    4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

    KJV

    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance gives this definition for that Hebrew word for "amber" (Hebrew chasmal):

    OT:2830
    chashmal (khash-mal'); of uncertain derivation; probably bronze or polished spectrum metal:

    KJV - amber.
    (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

    Did Dr. James Strong know something we don't?

    Ezek 1:7
    7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

    KJV

    Landing gear maybe? Remember, Ezekiel only had the objects in his day to compare to.

    Ezek 1:9
    9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

    KJV

    Ezek 1:12
    12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.

    KJV

    Ezek 1:14
    14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

    KJV

    Ezek 1:17
    17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

    KJV

    What kind of object when it turns, doesn't look like it is turning? Something that is round. Ezekiel says he saw them on their "four sides", which means they were in horizontal position, not like a vertical positioned wheel of a cart he would be familiar with in his day.

    Ezek 1:16
    16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

    KJV

    Ezek 1:18
    18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

    KJV

    OK, so the description so far is an object of polished spectral metal like bronze, horizontal wheels turned on their sides, and now a wheel in the middle of a wheel, which could be pointing to two outer ring levels of the object, one atop the other, and the eyes meaning port holes or windows.

    Is this just too much speculation? For some, maybe. But I'm not going to throw Ezekiel's description of what he saw out as a baby with the bath water. Put it on a shelf until you can understand it.
     
  17. Davy

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    Per God's Word, the abode of Hades where the wicked are, and Satan's abyss, are in... the Heavenly dimension.

    Like God's Word shows, there are only 2 different dimensions of existence written of in all of God's Word, this earthly one we live in, and the Heavenly one where God and the angels live in, which includes where Satan's abode is and where the wicked dead are.

    This is why... the Revelation 12:8 verse reveals Satan and his angels being kicked out of the Heavenly dimension for the end of this world. If you don't understand this per those Scriptures, then you might be deceived when Satan and his host of angels appear here on earth in our near future.
     
  18. Walk together

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    When the last day comes and you are undecided over the Devil's plan it is very likely that you will fall. So a word of reassurance if God's good angels are instructed to take you you will be taken without notice and without choice. If it is the fallen angels you have a choice stay in the name of Jesus or go with your new extraterrestrial friends or whatever you think they are. Don't be deceived you have a choice.
     
  19. Unqualified

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    Might be, what if, too much speculation. I admit there is some possibility that the two instances correlate. They move the same as the present day ‘sightings’. The ‘amber’ part is what the bronze metal come from. You excited youth is very convincing also. I’ll be looking out for such things when the time comes. Thanks for bringing me up to speed @Davy , and @Walk together
    What is it that drives you about this?
     
  20. Jipsah

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    I don't believe in aliens, and I don't beleve in flying saucers. I also don't believe that demons are driving fake flying saucers, becauee I don't believe in flying saucers, fake or otherwise Most "UFOs" are aircraft, and the "aliens or demons" questions are a load of cobblers.

    Or better yet, lets way platoons and companies of flying bunnies appear in the sky and are seen by absolutely everyone

    Neither,because I'm not that great a ninnie. I'd say "whose are they"? Aliens and Demons are both really low on my list of probable explanations of anything.

    Which I find ridiculous. My first guess would be Chinese, for these resasons: A) the Chinese, taken as a whole, are really, really smart, B) the Chinese undoubtedly exist, which cannot be said for aliens, C) the Chinese have known, logical reasons to build and operate advanced aerospace craft, D) I have no reason to believe that demons build air or space craft, at all while I know that people certainly do, E) the Law of Parsimony make thes choice between mundane explanations and fantastical ones a no brainer. So my first bet is the Chinese.

    What phenomenon? People thinking anything they see in the air and can't immediately identify is a flying saucer? That phenomenon is inescapable, people will forever persist in such illogicl thinking. Imagining that the lighted blimp you saw at a distance is a space shipp driven by space goomers is a lot more fun than that knowing that it's a bit of early 20th century technology still sputtering along today.

    Bother the devil, we imagine aliens and space demons for outselve
    [QUOTE="Davy, post: 76789438, member: 404357

    So really, what are all these UFO movies
    I don't think anyone denied that there were rlying thngs thy couldn't identify.

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    They're mostly fodderfor the credulous and gullible [/quote]

    You mean when the "UFOs" turn out to be artifacts of Chinese electronic warfare research? That'll be a terrible disappoinment, won't it?

    Keep watching for flyng saucers while the real stuff is rendering your weapons systems obsolete.

    s and save Nick the trouble. "No way that ws a KC-135, it was a demon passing itself off as aliens!" Nothing but self deception, and costs el diablo nothing.

    Gotta believe in ET first, don't you? I don't. The old "because the universe is sooooo biiiiiigggg...! "thing for believing in aliens is simply stupid.

    Doing a lousy job of it as best I can tell. Still no aliens, an however many people believe in aliens, very few actually care, and of those who do, nobody is ready to welcome them. A lot more "War of the Worlds" and "To Serve Man" than "Klaatu berada nicto". Most people's thought vis a vis aliens is to go for their guns.

    Nah,the whole "aliens is demons" thing is the silly appealing to the ignorant.
     
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