If Trump says that the New York Times report is fake news...

[Fantine]

then there is a very simple way to prove the New York Times wrong.

The president can submit his tax returns and show them up.

The New York Times report goes back to 2000, showing he paid zero taxes for ten years, and $750. in two recent years.

So exactly how far back can he claim they are "under audit?" We're talking twenty years of taxes here. Surely he can show his tax returns up to 2015 to show the NY Times wrong. Or 2012. Or 2010.

Let's face it. If he says "fake news" while he purportedly has the proof to back that claim up--and doesn't submit any proof--that's proof that the New York Times report is 110% true.

 

[SeventyOne]

then there is a very simple way to prove the New York Times wrong.

The president can submit his tax returns and show them up.

The New York Times report goes back to 2000, showing he paid zero taxes for ten years, and $750. in two recent years.

So exactly how far back can he claim they are "under audit?" We're talking twenty years of taxes here. Surely he can show his tax returns up to 2015 to show the NY Times wrong. Or 2012. Or 2010.

Let's face it. If he says "fake news" while he purportedly has the proof to back that claim up--and doesn't submit any proof--that's proof that the New York Times report is 110% true.

That's bad logic. Unfortunately, there have been just so many lies in the media over the last four years, they shouldn't get a pass anymore on anything they say. There's no reason to take anything they say at face value at this point either.

 

[Kentonio]

That's bad logic. Unfortunately, there have been just so many lies in the media over the last four years, they shouldn't get a pass anymore on anything they say. There's no reason to take anything they say at face value at this point either.

It’s not at all bad logic, and the idea that you’d take the word of a guy who has been proved to have lied over 22 THOUSAND times in his single term of office that his tax returns just can’t be released because of a supposed audit that has lasted for four years now, kind of defies belief.

 

[Fantine]

It may be bad logic to you, because you are predisposed to believe what he says.

But look at the polls. He has been at least five points behind for months and months and months--usually more than five points behind.

So if he wants to win, those are the people he needs to convince. Saying "fake news" with NOTHING to back it up won't cut the mustard and you know it.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I don't think it is an issue except that ha may have more business failures than he admits . No surprise there.

 

[Arcangl86]

I mean, he could either show his tax returns or sue the NYT for defamation if this truly is fake news. The fact that he hasn't combined with how litigious he is in general, makes me believe there is substance to what the NYT has to say.

 

[pescador]

That's bad logic. Unfortunately, there have been just so many lies in the media over the last four years, they shouldn't get a pass anymore on anything they say. There's no reason to take anything they say at face value at this point either.

Right; so let's eliminate the first amendment and depend on Trump et al to give us honest reporting. We have had almost four years of Trump telling tens of thousands of lies.

 

[whatbogsends]

That's bad logic. Unfortunately, there have been just so many lies in the media over the last four years, they shouldn't get a pass anymore on anything they say. There's no reason to take anything they say at face value at this point either.

Yet you continue to take Trump at face value, who has lied more time than the major media outlets combined in that time span.

 

[Bobber]

Let's face it. If he says "fake news" while he purportedly has the proof to back that claim up--and doesn't submit any proof--that's proof that the New York Times report is 110% true.

I think what is in Trump's tax returns are probably already baked in the cake in regard to whether people will vote for him or not. I think anyone who knows anything probably knows you'd see his tax lawyers looked to pay very limited tax but really...so what. If they found through the years legal loopholes that's what's allowed under the law...LEGAL.

Probably too with as many businesses as Trump has owned if his critics found so much as a stick of bubble gum tax wasn't paid on they're make it seem like the end of the world.

 

[cow451]

Trumpspeak:

"Fake News"= It's really bigly, hugely true.

 

[Arc F1]

then there is a very simple way to prove the New York Times wrong.

The president can submit his tax returns and show them up.

The New York Times report goes back to 2000, showing he paid zero taxes for ten years, and $750. in two recent years.

So exactly how far back can he claim they are "under audit?" We're talking twenty years of taxes here. Surely he can show his tax returns up to 2015 to show the NY Times wrong. Or 2012. Or 2010.

Let's face it. If he says "fake news" while he purportedly has the proof to back that claim up--and doesn't submit any proof--that's proof that the New York Times report is 110% true.

Why are his tax returns so important?

 

[Albion]

I mean, he could either show his tax returns or sue the NYT for defamation if this truly is fake news.

Let's see what that means. He could start a court case that wouldn't even be heard by any court until after the election OR he could call out this not-entirely-unexpected "October Surprise" of the New York Times that is meant to sway voters intending to vote in a few days or weeks.

It's fake all right, but it's not even "news" if you know anything presidential election campaigns. What's more, Biden did the same thing, according to his federal tax returns...and both candidates did so entirely legally.

 

[cow451]

Let's see what that means. He could start a court case that wouldn't even be heard by any court until after the election OR he could call out this not-entirely-unexpected "October Surprise" of the New York Times that is meant to sway voters intending to vote in a few days or weeks.

It's fake all right, but it's not even "news" if you know anything presidential election campaigns. What's more, Biden did the same thing, according to his federal tax returns...and both candidates did so entirely legally.

Then Trump should readily release his returns to show what an honest guy he is, right?

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

The way rich people incorporate themselves, it's quite possible that Trump, the person, was taxed so little, but the various corporations of his assets were cumulatively taxed a lot more. I call bull on the usual NYT half-truths.

 

[cow451]

The way rich people incorporate themselves, it's quite possible that Trump, the person, was taxed so little, but the various corporations of his assets were cumulatively taxed a lot more. I call bull on the usual NYT half-truths.

Then let Trump release his returns and have at it.

 

[Tom 1]

That's bad logic. Unfortunately, there have been just so many lies in the media over the last four years, they shouldn't get a pass anymore on anything they say. There's no reason to take anything they say at face value at this point either.

Examples/proof/ evidence etc please.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Who cares .. I wouldn’t change my mind if he release his tax return or not. I am not going to vote for him. i made up mind long .. long time ago .

 

[Tom 1]

The way rich people incorporate themselves, it's quite possible that Trump, the person, was taxed so little, but the various corporations of his assets were cumulatively taxed a lot more. I call bull on the usual NYT half-truths.

The report details what is in the tax records. What is half-truthy about it? Tax paid for those non-illegal staff he has, their medical insurance, social payments or whatever you call them over there, their tax on their income is not at issue here. This is Trump's personal income tax, that is what the article is about, it's not a half-truth if it doesn't include something else that isn't relevant. Have you read it? What points does it make? Which of them do you believe to be untrue or 'half-true'?

 

[JosephZ]

Why are his tax returns so important?

Because he is the president and if he has excessive debt as his tax returns likely show, then he is a risk to our national security. A person who has significant debt can be easily influenced by foreign advisories and those who he is indebted to can receive favorable treatment. If he were a civilian or a member of the military seeking a security clearance, he would in all likelihood be denied based on what his tax returns show and his history of bankruptcies.

 

[Tom 1]

Why are his tax returns so important?

Well, for starters, it's an interesting part of the picture - both how fake the Trump successful businessman image is, and how Trump fans tumble repeatedly through this process like a Jenga tower -

1) Anything bad said about Trump is fake (no evidence offered)
2) Ok it isn't fake but it isn't like what they said (no evidence)
3) Ok it is like what they said but everyone does it (no evidence)
4) Ok everyone doesn't but actually it's actually ok er anyway it's all fake (back to 1)