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Featured If the United States is Babylon...

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by akaDaScribe, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. jesus316

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    But Rome is not surrounded by ocean and ships as @Inkfingers notes. And @Inkfingers claims Babylon refers to America.
     
  2. Abraxos

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    If you actually read the Bible, it says that the 'great harlot' sits on many waters (Rev 17:1), and this is symbolic for a great city sitting on multitudes of people, nations, and languages. (Rev 17:15) Rome has for centuries being ruling over many peoples, and even today many people are influenced by it and have kept it through tradition.
    Though I disagree with @Inkfingers that America is spiritual Babylon, Revelation 18:11-13, Rev 18:22 is admittedly a strong resemblance to America, as America is the biggest buyer of consumer goods in the world by a long margin, and the most influential in the music industry. My thoughts ultimately are inconclusive at this time on Revelation 18.

    The point is, that it is possible to identify spiritual Babylon through identification markers if you believe the Bible is the word of God and 1/4th (maybe more) of it is prophetic in nature, which I assume you haven't the foggiest due to your church doesn't teach it because it's not important?
     
  3. Inkfingers

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    I say that it could be, not that it is.
     
  4. Spiderman in Auckland

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    No one but God knows WHERE it lies.

    By definition, God alone is Judge (Romans 2:1-3), and the role of any Judge is to apply/interpret the Law.

    Therefore, the Judge's role also includes the "correct" interpretation of Revelation chapter 18, which provides a detailed account of the "Fall of Babylon the Great".

    Now, God's exegesis of Chapter 18 is no better than anybody else's interpretation, except that God alone has the power/authority to make his own interpretation count more than anybody else's.

    Now, Judges can only create case law because they have the power of the State behind them, but that's not to say that their interpretation of the Law is "better" than other Judges, nor better than the opinion of lay people.

    So, in the final analysis, God alone has the power/authority to make his own exegesis count more than anybody else's interpretation of Chapter 18.

    Therefore, if God says that "America is Babylon", then this should be taken as the One and only "correct" interpretation, since God alone has the power/authority to make a difference, as regarding the future destruction of the United States.

    Since no nation on earth has the power/authority to destroy America; but, God's exegesis of "Babylon" is the only one which is significant, since only God has the power/authority to destroy the United States.

    Since we all know that "Might is right", and the One with the Stick hand is always right.

    But since God is the only One with the Stick hand, then God is the only One who could ever make a difference, as concerning the "correct" interpretation of "Babylon".

    Therefore, if God says that "America is Babylon" then we have no right to challenge/question his interpretation of "Babylon".

    No more so than the members of public have any "right" to challenge/question the Judge's Ruling.
     
  5. Dave Watchman

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    I would pretty much agree with this. I like it. If you can recognize this, then you should be able to see the composite beast that is rising from the sea. The two little horns that you see are not the same. LH7 and LH8 occupy two different prophetic time periods. Only the LH7 plucked up the three by the roots.

    LH8's theocratic government "Babylon" will ultimately be destroyed by ALL ten of the end time kings when they finally turn on their Mother of Harlots and leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. Because God has put it in their hearts to do so. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God's words are fulfilled.

    Can this be why the second beast has two horns like the Lamb, but speaks like the Dragon? Similarly to how Messiah has two separate visitations to earth, the Dragon will also be given two prophetic time periods to visit himself to the peoples of earth. Two times where he will be given authority to exercise. And in each of these times the saints will be given into his hand.

    And the Dragon stood on the sands of the sea. And the Dragon shall pitch his tents between the sea and the Glorious Mount Zion. Making himself a line of demarcation that separates the nations from the four corners of the earth who's number is like the sands from the seashore, from God's People, the Beloved city, God's holy Mount Zion.

    The United States is not Babylon. The USA is the "earth" who helped the "woman" from Revelation 12 after 1260 years of Pay Pal Persecution came to it's end in 1798. In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. There were four blood moons and God was opening up a new continent. This continent would become the "earth" that would open it's mouth to swallow the flood that was spewing forth from the LH7's mouth at the end of the Foxe Book days.

    And "a place prepared by God" became a "holy place" where the Abomination now stands.

    (Let The Reader Understand)

    When you see
    the Abomination STAND.

    'Let The Reader UnderSTAND.

    'This decision will not STAND': Republicans seek common cause against same-sex marriage.

    A legal decision can be made to STAND.

    In:

    1) The Netherlands (2000)
    2) Belgium (2003)
    3) canada (2005)
    4) Spain (2005)
    5) South Africa (2006)
    6) Norway (2009)
    7) Sweden (2009)
    8) Argentina (2010)
    9) Iceland (2010)
    10) Portugal (2010)
    11) Denmark (2012)
    12) Brazil (2013)
    13) England and Wales (2013)
    14) France (2013)
    15) New Zealand (2013)
    16) Uruguay (2013)
    17) Luxembourg (2014)
    18) Scotland (2014)
    19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
    20) Ireland: (2015)
    21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->Sun/Moon

    Yet he shall come to his end,
    with none to help him.

    Peaceful Sabbath.
     
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  6. Spiderman in Auckland

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    Could be, simply means that America's fate hangs in the balance, and its fate is wholly contingent on God, and how he chooses to interpret Revelation Chapter 18.

    It's wholly contingent as to whether or not God still wants to destroy the United States.

    However, God has demonstrated throughout the OT that he could almost destroy an entire country, not necessarily to protect his own (Deuteronomy 20:16), but he would also do it to separate the good and evil - As he duly demonstrated at the time of Noah (Genesis 6:7, Genesis 7:4, Genesis 7:21-23), and later, when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:13, Genesis 19:24-25).

    Thus, God has consistently demonstrated that he could almost destroy an entire country - Such as the USA - to further his own interests - By separating the good and evil, since God could never tolerate the coexistence of good and evil for indefinite - but not necessarily to protect the interests of those who are called his own (Deuteronomy 20:16).

    Note: The fictional allegory of the Count of Monte Cristo (Romans 1:20) has served to highlight the fact that U.S. domestic foes are far more dangerous than external enemies; however, America won't be destroyed by domestic foes overnight, but its eventual decline would happen gradually, and by attrition, and over many centuries, as evidenced by 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
     
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  7. AlasBabylon

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    The entire Bible is race-based... from Genesis when God chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel and his 12 sons [the 12 tribes of Israel] to be God's special people above all the other people of the earth. [Deuteronomy 7:6, Deuteronomy 14:2] who entered into a marriage covenant with God at Mt Sinai [Exodus 24:8]... to the God of Israel incarnate, Jesus Christ, who said He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel [Matthew 15:24] and paid the bride price [1 Corinthians 6:19-20] of the new marriage covenant with His blood [Luke 22:20]... to Revelation where God's New Jerusalem has 12 gates, one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel [Revelation 21:12.]

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  8. Spiderman in Auckland

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    Assuming that America is indeed Babylon, this implies that the Fall of Babylon is synonymous with the long term decline of the Pax Americana, and the long term destruction of the United States of America.
     
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  9. AlasBabylon

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    After WW2 while much of Europe and Asia were in ruins... the unscathed USA arose as the world's global superpower. Americans wasted and abused that inheritance. Instead of becoming the righteous city on the hill, the USA exported evil and degeneracy. Immediately after WW2, the USA itself began its slow decline into depravity. Today America's European racial and Christian moral foundation has been gutted and it is quickly imploding from within.

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  10. Bible2+

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    The second beast, who comes up out of the earth in Revelation 13:11-16, represents the individual man who will become the future Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13). He could be a secretly-apostate pope who at some point during his tenure will make a great push for peace and unity between Christianity and Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Aren't we all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Cannot we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but have only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What is more important than this?"

    He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "a Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, a pope could come to hold high positions of power in two religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the two horns of the False Prophet lamb (Revelation 13:11). This would be similar to how the seven horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Revelation 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding seven positions of power at the same time (compare Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Revelation 19:12). The False Prophet could even say that he is Jesus returned, via "reincarnation". But he will not that say he is Christ. For the False Prophet, and the Antichrist, will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7).

    Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), also called Satanism, a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times the prophet Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

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    If a secretly-apostate pope does become the future Antichrist's False Prophet (of Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20, and Revelation 16:13), then adherents of Catholicism will have to decide what their ultimate source of truth is: Is it the pope and the RCC, or God and the Bible? Many adherents of Catholicism who know God and the Bible well, and hold to them as their ultimate source of truth, will no doubt be utterly aghast at the false doctrines of a False Prophet pope. Such adherents of Catholicism could demand that he be removed for heresy, and apostasy, and that the cardinals elect a new pope. But other adherents of Catholicism, including many cardinals, bishops, and priests, could be deceived (along with most of the rest of the world) into believing the False Prophet pope's false doctrines, because of his ability to perform the most amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13-14, Revelation 19:20; cf. Matthew 24:24).

    And so a great schism could arise within the RCC. Compare the Akita prophecy: "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops". Many adherents of Catholicism could follow the False Prophet pope, while other adherents of Catholicism could reject him, and elect their own, new pope (or reinstate a former pope who is still alive), whom they could declare to be the "True Pope". But this new (or reinstated) "True Pope" could then be murdered, along with many of his followers, by the False Prophet pope's soldiers. Compare the Third Secret of Fatima: "he [the pope] was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions". Could the soldiers firing "arrows" be the Vatican's Swiss Guards, whose weapons and colorful uniforms hark back to the Middle Ages?

    After this slaughter, the False Prophet pope could manage to retain the papacy, and full control of the Vatican, and through his (deceived) cardinals, bishops, and priests, retain full control of all RCC cathedrals, parishes, churches, etc., throughout the world. And when the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") obtains power over all nations, he and the False Prophet will make war against true, Biblical Christians (whether they are adherents of Catholicism or not) throughout the world, and will physically overcome them and kill them (by beheading) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

    It is only when the Antichrist has completely broken the physical power of the true Church (which consists of all true Christians, whether they are adherents of Catholicism or not: Ephesians 4:4-6) that the future Tribulation will end (Daniel 12:7b), and Jesus Christ's Second Coming will immediately occur, at which time He will physically resurrect and rapture (gather together) the Church (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), of all times. And at His Second Coming, Jesus Christ will tread the winepress of God's wrath alone (Isaiah 63:3, Revelation 19:15-21), and so He/God will get all of the glory for defeating the power of evil on the earth (Deuteronomy 32:39-43). For He/God will not share this glory with the Church (cf. Isaiah 42:8-14, Isaiah 26:18).
     
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