If the two candidates with a realistic chance of winning were...

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Mitt Romney and Gary Johnson- as a Romeny supporter would you still support him?

Barack Obama and Jill Stein - as an Obama supporter would you still support him?

Gary Johnson would never support Mitt Romney. He's already stated that Romney's Economy plan would only further deteriorate our Economy.

I don't know anything about Jill Stein.
 
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Gary Johnson would never support Mitt Romney. He's already stated that Romney's Economy plan would only further deteriorate our Economy.

I don't know anything about Jill Stein.
I think the question is if you are a Romney or Obama supporter, would still support your candidate if a third party candidate (Johnson or Stein respectively) was close enough in the polls to have a chance at winning, or would you switch your support to one of the third party candidates.
 
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I think the question is if you are a Romney or Obama supporter, would still support your candidate if a third party candidate (Johnson or Stein respectively) was close enough in the polls to have a chance at winning, or would you switch your support to one of the third party candidates.

Oh, right. I misread it.

Well, I'd certainly would support Johnson over Romney.

But as far as Stein goes, I still don't know enough to choose between her and Obama.

Now, if you were to pair Obama against Johnson, it would be a slightly harder choice but I think I'd still support Obama because Johnson still has a few Radical Ideas and is a little too Passionate in advocating them.
 
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Gary Johnson would never support Mitt Romney. He's already stated that Romney's Economy plan would only further deteriorate our Economy..
People feel 3rd party views aren't respected sadly in many places..
 
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Oh, right. I misread it.

Well, I'd certainly would support Johnson over Romney.

But as far as Stein goes, I still don't know enough to choose between her and Obama.

Now, if you were to pair Obama against Johnson, it would be a slightly harder choice but I think I'd still support Obama because Johnson still has a few Radical Ideas and is a little too Passionate in advocating them.

The OP doesn't ask about which of the four candidates would be best. It asks, if you are a Romney supporter, would you still support Romney if Johnson was his VP rather than Paul Ryan.
 
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Jeffwhosoever said:
The OP doesn't ask about which of the four candidates would be best. It asks, if you are a Romney supporter, would you still support Romney if Johnson was his VP rather than Paul Ryan.

I read it as a VP pick too...
 
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The OP doesn't ask about which of the four candidates would be best. It asks, if you are a Romney supporter, would you still support Romney if Johnson was his VP rather than Paul Ryan.

That's how I read it the first time but was told differently.

So when I reread it, it sounded more like the OP was asking if the 2 leading candidates were someone other then Obama Vs Romney.

Either way, I gave my answer to both ways you can read it.
 
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TheOtherHockeyMom said:
Didn't phrase that too well I guess. I meant to ask if Romney and Johnson were the top two opponents in a close race (e.g. switch Obama and Johnson) or Obama and Stein (switch Romney with Stein) would you still support your choice of major party candidate?

I'm voting against Romney. Period.
 
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Jill Stein could be better than Obama. Obama is too conservative/right-wing on some things.

In fact, I just read her positions of Wiki, and it seems I probably would prefer her.

Some? He's a textbook fascist. I'm not saying that as a cheap insult, I'm actually serious. The issue at hand in our country is that we're in more danger of falling further into fascism as long as people are buying it under the guise of liberal rhetoric. I wonder how crazy about Obama people would be if they woke up to the reality of his policies and recognized them for what they truly are? Those same people weren't having it under Bush and the only reason could be was that their eyes were more open to the danger with someone who claims to be more right-wing.

We've truly been on that road since FDR, as he modeled a lot of his New Deal policies on Italian fascism.

Anyway- enough of derailing. Faced with Romney vs. Johnson- it is no contest. I'm voting for Gary Johnson anyway. Given an option of only Obama and Stein- it would have to be Stein (only because I completely agree with her stance on civil liberties).
 
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Some? He's a textbook fascist. I'm not saying that as a cheap insult, I'm actually serious. The issue at hand in our country is that we're in more danger of falling further into fascism as long as people are buying it under the guise of liberal rhetoric. I wonder how crazy about Obama people would be if they woke up to the reality of his policies and recognized them for what they truly are? Those same people weren't having it under Bush and the only reason could be was that their eyes were more open to the danger with someone who claims to be more right-wing.

We've truly been on that road since FDR, as he modeled a lot of his New Deal policies on Italian fascism.

Anyway- enough of derailing. Faced with Romney vs. Johnson- it is no contest. I'm voting for Gary Johnson anyway. Given an option of only Obama and Stein- it would have to be Stein (only because I completely agree with her stance on civil liberties).
Support the bolded part, because on its face it's a patently absurd thing to assert.
 
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Support the bolded part, because on its face it's a patently absurd thing to assert.

It really isn't absurd. It's called 'third position' fascism. It's seen as the middle way between socialism and liberalism. We have been starting to embrace a concept known as 'national corporatism'. We don't have laissez-faire capitalism. Does the phrase 'too big to fail' ring any bells? Fascist. NDAA (with Obama's pet indefinite detention clause) and the Patriot Act? Fascist. Seriously, look up the history beyond Hitler on this. America has had a long love affair with fascism- we've just ignored the term as it is associated with Nazis. People are 100% correct when they say that Obama isn't a socialist when that idea comes up. He most definitely is not. He's a fascist and he was continuing what was started before he came into office. The Bush family were known fascist sympathizers. Clinton really started that ball rolling after Bush Sr's NWO speech though. Fascism is the way of globalism.

The Republican/Democrat divide is an illusion. I've noticed that Europeans tend to see this American fascism more than we tend to.

Interesting articles/blogs on it:
Why I Call Obama A Fascist « Start Thinking Right
Under the cloak of liberalism America slides to Fascism « Fabius Maximus
 
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Faced with Romney vs. Johnson- it is no contest. I'm voting for Gary Johnson anyway. Given an option of only Obama and Stein- it would have to be Stein (only because I completely agree with her stance on civil liberties).

Couldn't do Gary Johnson due to some of his stances on abortion and other policies....
 
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I don't know enough about Stein, but what a quick google search shows seems good. I'd probably vote for her over Obama unless something else surfaced. Johnson's position on the fed is a bit wing nutty, but since he wouldn't have a shot at getting congress to dismantle it, I'd be tempted to toss a vote his way. It would probably be a toss up between him and Romney, but i'd still vote Obama over Johnson.
 
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It really isn't absurd. It's called 'third position' fascism. It's seen as the middle way between socialism and liberalism. We have been starting to embrace a concept known as 'national corporatism'.
I'm familiar with the concept of corporatism and Third Position economics. It does not strike me as what we're doing, though.

We don't have laissez-faire capitalism.
Right, but it's still capitalism. Regulated capitalism is still capitalism.

Does the phrase 'too big to fail' ring any bells? Fascist.
If you're referring to the bank bailouts, that's Keynesian stimulus, isn't it? My immediate guess is that the fascist state either nationalizes banks entirely or places such overwhelming restrictions on them that they are in essence controlled by the state. Unless I'm living under a rock right now, that is not even close to what's happening in the United States.

NDAA (with Obama's pet indefinite detention clause) and the Patriot Act? Fascist.
Authoritarianism is not exclusive to fascism.

Seriously, look up the history beyond Hitler on this. America has had a long love affair with fascism- we've just ignored the term as it is associated with Nazis.
What? Parts of the population, sure, but the country itself has fetishized "liberty" and other such things far more than its ever courted fascism.

Besides, I always associate the term more with Mussolini's Italy than anything.

People are 100% correct when they say that Obama isn't a socialist when that idea comes up. He most definitely is not.
On this we are in agreement.

He's a fascist and he was continuing what was started before he came into office.
Not quite.

Let's go ahead and assume he's a supporter of corporatist or third position economics for a moment. That doesn't make him a fascist. It might make him some sort of social democrat, but not a fascist. Fascism is about a lot more than just economic policy; he doesn't fit the bill in a myriad of other ways. The first things that pop into my head are the lack of palingenetic nationalism or the fact that he pushes for LGBT rights.

The Bush family were known fascist sympathizers. Clinton really started that ball rolling after Bush Sr's NWO speech though. Fascism is the way of globalism.
I've never heard a fascist support neoliberal globalization.
 
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Let's go ahead and assume he's a supporter of corporatist or third position economics for a moment. That doesn't make him a fascist. It might make him some sort of social democrat, but not a fascist. Fascism is about a lot more than just economic policy; he doesn't fit the bill in a myriad of other ways. The first things that pop into my head are the lack of palingenetic nationalism or the fact that he pushes for LGBT rights.
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Good points..
 
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