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If taxation is theft, then I am greatly concerned for borther Vladimire Putin

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Jackson Cooper, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. prodromos

    prodromos Senior Veteran Supporter

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    What are your sources regarding what you believe Putin is doing? Have you considered your sources may have an agenda?
     
  2. archer75

    archer75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Not that it makes me right, but I have lived in Russia, speak the lingo, have Russian friends with whom I keep up, have travelled there many times, and follow various Russian-language Orthodox outlets online. I don't use CNN for anything, really, certainly not this.
     
  3. archer75

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    Sorry, hadn't seen this when I made my last post, but I basically answered your question anyway. Make of my opinion what you will. It is indeed only an opinion, but it is mostly based on explicitly pro-Putin sources (including but not at all limited to his own speeches in Russian).
     
  4. gurneyhalleck1

    gurneyhalleck1 Speaks Hovitos

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    It definitely makes you credible and worth listening to!

     
  5. prodromos

    prodromos Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Ditto
     
  6. Jackson Cooper

    Jackson Cooper "Life is a test." -Michael Clarke Duncan.

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    I guess I just have to get used to not knowing the answer to a lot of questions. I suspect taxation isn't theft inherently, but I could be wrong. Not enough in the New Testament to answer many modern questions.
     
  7. buzuxi02

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    Russia has the highest Church attendance in Europe. Its about 6%, triple the average(and just slightly less than in america). The building of churches by political figures has always been an Orthodox custom starting with Constantine. Even in the OT people built altars in various places after divine encounters. How in the world does Putin encourage phyletism?
     
  8. buzuxi02

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    You live in the United States and your worried about Russia's tax policies??? I dont believe collecting taxes is a sin, at the same time I dont believe cheating on your taxes as a sin neither. And yes, I try to keep my involvement in government to a minimum and always have my passport up to date.
     
  9. Dawnhammer

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  10. ArmyMatt

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    gifts for deals, speaking engagements, etc is not the same as spending tax money for personal gain. also, it is entirely possible he made a ton of money before becoming the Russian President. so according to the article, not like his luxury watches.

    let's not speculate.
     
  11. Dawnhammer

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    Since we are going to see Putin’s accounts two weeks after hell freezes over informed speculation of corruption and misuse of country’s resources in current cleptocracy that is Russia is only way to talk about these things.
     
  12. ArmyMatt

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    well, I don't think President Putin owes you or me any answers, so simply speculating about what he does or doesn't do with his finances just looks silly.

    especially since neither of us is Russian.
     
  13. buzuxi02

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    Were you this concerned with Russian finances when Yeltsin was in office? The fact is Putin is the greatest statesman of our generation. There is absolutely no politician in the entire west that is of his stature, not one of our buffoons has accomplished what he has.
     
  14. Dawnhammer

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    To be fair it is easier to get things accomplished in dictatorship when you can suppress the opposition and free press, control the media, kill your enemies, occupy foreign countries and rule uninterrupted for 17 years so far while pretending to be prime minister now and then.

    Whatever that makes you a statesman or not depends on your viewpoint.
     
  15. buzuxi02

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    Are you refering to the United States? Russia who were invited into Syria are now withdrawing while America after years is not.
     
  16. Dawnhammer

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    Well I was mainly thinking of annexation of Crimea from Ukraine after they gave up their nukes after guarantee from Russia to respect their borders.

    Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia

    So much for Russian security assurances. Not worth a paper they were printed on.
     
  17. ~Anastasia~

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    Folks, I'm not sure where the discussion is going. And it's not my intent to shut it down, but I'm not sure it is going to be in topic for TAW. maybe St. Justin's in a new thread is a better place to discuss this?
     
  18. archer75

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    I was preparing a response to the question about phyletism. Happy to bring it to St Justin's, though.
     
  19. ~Anastasia~

    ~Anastasia~ † Servant of God † Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    Maybe post a link here and folks can follow it to there? Thanks. :)
     
  20. ArmyMatt

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    and this has nothing to do with the actual topic of this thread.
     
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