If Russia invades the Ukraine...

If Russia invades the Ukraine?


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Trusting in Him

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Nothing will happen. Its just the media spreading fear as usual.

This is not in the mainstream media. You need to do a bit of digging to check this out. I've been following what happening in the Ukraine / crimea for a long time, ever since I found out where the area called Magog actually is. Lots of things have been going wrong for Putin and he needs to make plenty of problems for him to go away. He's a man under a lot of pressure.
 
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My understanding here is a ...Biden will me making the choice... Biden is not threat to anyone.

Nov 24
"Russia has been moving forces to the Crimea Peninsula as part of a large military buildup on Ukraine’s border, according to defense-intelligence firm Janes and the Moscow-based Conflict Intelligence Team, which tracks Russian troop deployments.

Troops and equipment have been arriving in Crimea since last week, London-based Janes said by email. The deployment follows the dispatch of battle tanks and other heavy weaponry to the Voronezh region of southwestern Russia, Janes said."

Seems to me Russia is doing something.. This then China TW and the NKorea.. all acting up.. whats Biden done to lol stop it? Talk.. threat Biden is not. :)
 
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Won't happen. Nothing in the Ukraine that Russia would want. But not a penny to support the death squad regime in Kiev. It is not worthy of our sympathy, let alone our aid.

Russia seems paranoid that Ukraine is pursuing a NATO membership. Best case scenario is that Putin sets up a base near the border and just keeps it there as a deterrent.
 
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It's all a PR exercise. Ukraine will be pursuaded to let Russia have access to the water. Biden will help negociate the deal and get a bit of kudos with the America public for doing so and Putin will recover some of his popularity with the Russian people.
 
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Where is God in all this?

Kiev-Crimea, why? - BibleFocus.net

I think that this may add some very interesting thoughts about this and it might be interesting to hear what other might think about this.

The the later part of this item has a prophetic biblical perspective which are well worth checking out.
 
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While the world watches Russia solders amass on Ukraine’s border,
Vladimir Putin is mulling military deployments on America’s border.

Russia has maintained good relations with socialist leaders across Latin America.
A foreign power that controls the Caribbean Sea could cripple the U.S. economy.

Joe Biden ignored the anti-Communist protest in Cuba last summer.
Biden Administration Claims Cuban Anti-Communist Protests Are About 'Rising COVID Cases/Deaths'
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Putin Shores Up Cuba, Venezuela Ties as Tensions with U.S. Worsen
Putin shores up Cuba, Venezuela ties as tensions with U.S. worsen over Ukraine

Putin’s recent calls to the Presidents of Nicaraguan, Venezuelan, and
Cuban President is a reminder to the United States that he can cause
problems in the Caribbean if Washington pressures him over Ukraine.

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Putin might deploy soldiers to Cuba and Venezuela to pressure the U.S. into
halting all North Atlantic Treaty Organization activity in Eastern Europe.

Russia Suggests Military Deployment to Venezuela, Cuba if Tensions With U.S.
Remain High. Deputy foreign minister says Moscow couldn’t exclude sending
military infrastructure to the two countries
Russia Suggests Military Deployment to Venezuela, Cuba if Tensions With U.S. Remain High
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John Bolton Reaffirms America’s Commitment to the Monroe Doctrine With New Sanctions
Bolton dubs Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua the 'Troika of Tyranny'
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Russia Is Reportedly Reopening Its Spy Base In Cuba

Venezuela Agreed To Let Russia Set Up A Bomber Outpost On This Caribbean Island: Reports
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“A hostile power in Cuba could fairly easily seal both the Straits of Florida
and the Yucatán Channel, reducing the Gulf of Mexico to little more than a lake,”
The Russian Resurgence and the New-Old Front


Half of America’s seaborne trade passes through the Gulf of Mexico.
 
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A full THIRD of Ukrainians have said they would be prepared to take up arms and join a resistance / insurgency. Putin doesn't seem ready to deploy a third of his army (over 320,000 soldiers) to put down that sized insurgency (ratio derived form American doctrines of soldiers to insurgent ratio). IF Russia invades and NATO isn't somehow dragged in (which could be VERY bad - as in think Terminator's Judgement Day), this is what I think will happen. Russia wins the war quickly, but then has to maintain the peace. But occupying Ukraine for Russia feels like occupying Iraq did for the Americans. It drags on and on, with no end in sight to the insurrection. Eventually, the cost is too high and Russia leaves. The costs are enormous. The war creates political upheaval back home. Eventually, Russia's shame means Putin is finally overturned. The people rise up to the point where they want true democracy instead. Navalny is released from prison and begins the long process of reform. Russian democratic institutions are empowered, and separation of powers restored. Courts and the rule of law are introduced. Finally - would Russia eventually join NATO. The EU? What would NATO's brief be then - defend against any aggression from China?


 
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Putin's Russia has already invaded Ukraine and is illegally occupaying Ukrainian territory and killing Ukrainians in Ukraine with Russian weapons. Putin's Russia shot down an international flight and slaughtered 298 civilians from Australia, Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, Uk and many other nationalities as part of the occupation.

It's not a question of "if." If, however, Putin's Russia keeps up these ego-boosting games, keeps escalating his choice of war in Ukraine and keeps violating Ukrainian territorial integrity, what will happen is that NATO will add two more members in the alliance, Putin's Russia will gain 830 miles of brand new NATO border and the Baltic Sea will become a de facto NATO Mare Nostrum Balticum.

Putin isn't afraid of NATO or NATO's imaginary invasion of Russia. Putin is afraid of democracy, freedom and a popular Russian color revolution on the Red Square. That's why he does not want democracy and freedom in Ukraine, lest his Russians get ideas.
 
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Putin's Russia has already invaded Ukraine and is illegally occupaying Ukrainian territory and killing Ukrainians in Ukraine with Russian weapons. Putin's Russia shot down an international flight and slaughtered 298 civilians from Australia, Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, Uk and many other nationalities as part of the occupation.

It's not a question of "if." If, however, Putin's Russia keeps up these ego-boosting games, keeps escalating his choice of war in Ukraine and keeps violating Ukrainian territorial integrity, what will happen is that NATO will add two more members in the alliance, Putin's Russia will gain 830 miles of brand new NATO border and the Baltic Sea will become a de facto NATO Mare Nostrum Balticum.

Putin isn't afraid of NATO or NATO's imaginary invasion of Russia. Putin is afraid of democracy, freedom and a popular Russian color revolution on the Red Square. That's why he does not want democracy and freedom in Ukraine, lest his Russians get ideas.

That may be so, but he is destabilising the area and affecting trade across borders, if NATO and major democratic countries implement sanctions, then it may create a new cold war and perhaps a trade war as well. So that probably means higher taxation in most NATO countries to pay for greater military expenditure and reduction in living standards to pay for it all.
 
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That may be so, but he is destabilising the area and affecting trade across borders, if NATO and major democratic countries implement sanctions, then it may create a new cold war and perhaps a trade war as well. So that probably means higher taxation in most NATO countries to pay for greater military expenditure and reduction in living standards to pay for it all.

Keeping the uncertainty going is Putin's strategy to avoid Ukraine joining NATO as new members cannot be in conflict zones.

Even if he militarily defeats the Ukrainian army, which is a probable outcome of any conflict, I wonder if he would in fact occupy the whole country. He needs water from the Dnieper for Crimea and he needs the Eastern Republics which have a majority of Russians. He wants to increase the distance that the enemy must travel to invade Russia. That done he does not have to hold the other bits and could even deport those whom he might think will be part of the problem. Dividing the country is probably the long-term solution to this problem as people in Crimea and in the East do not want to be a part of the West and the West has no interest in being a part of Russia.

Trade is a two-edged sword as in the short to medium term Germany needs Russian gas for example. If Putin plays this wrong he could jeopardize billions of Euros of mutually beneficial trade between Europe and Russia but the West too would suffer from a trade war.

He could also decide to back off for now and come back when Biden is embroiled in some scandal or preoccupied with some domestic crisis. Putin has played the long game the last 8 years with the ongoing tensions and is unlikely to stop doing so now.
 
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I'm not so sure that this situation is going to turn out to Russia's advantage as much as Putin is counting on. Ukraine has had plenty of time to get themselves organised and they are planning to adopt a scorched earth policy, so there might not be anything left which is worth having for Russia. Russia may be forced to attack Israel, because they need the spoil from a war with Israel to help them get through a very dire financial crisis. Supposing Germany decides not to buy anymore Russian gas? That's a crazy amount of money which Russia won't be getting anymore and who says it won't happen? German industry is having a pretty hard time right now. The export markets for much of Germany's manufactured goods is mostly to other european economically troubled countries. Their export revenues are slowing down and German industry won't be needing quite as much Russian gas as things slow down.

An expanding market for Russian gas might be turning into a shrinking market instead and it could just hit Russia where it hurts a lot. It's only speculation and may not happen like that, but Putin's little games have been hitting stock market figures all over the world and business confidence has take a big hit in many countries. Maybe not a massive hit so far, but maybe there's more to come, or maybe not, we just don't know at this stage. Perhaps lots of things which Russia is not expecting are going to soon start going wrong and there's not much which they can do to prevent it. Are we not on the cusp of prophecy in the middle east being fullfilled. Putin thinks he got it all worked out, well Putin is not God and maybe God is about to put some hooks into his jaws. Pride goes before a fall and perhaps it's going to be a case of how the mighty are fallen.

I don't know about how everyone else is thinking, but I am wondering, if maybe the time has come when God's timing is begining to become unstoppable and all we can do is watch it all happen! There was a point in time when nobody could stop world war one from starting and also when nobody could stop world war two from starting and those who read their history books may be getting that feeling of deja vu right now! Who's going to stop, what's happening right now? I wonder!
 
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We were told what Russia would invade the Ukraine today. I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not surprised in the least that it didn’t happen.

Even if Russia was planning such a move, at this point, by simply holding the troops back, they can cause the Western governments to lose what very little credibility they have left. That is a prize greater than anything that might be found in the Ukraine.

I said over two months ago on this very thread that there will be no invasion, and there hasn’t been, and there won’t be. You can take that to the bank.
 
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We were told what Russia would invade the Ukraine today. I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not surprised in the least that it didn’t happen.

Even if Russia was planning such a move, at this point, by simply holding the troops back, they can cause the Western governments to lose what very little credibility they have left. That is a prize greater than anything that might be found in the Ukraine.

I said over two months ago on this very thread that there will be no invasion, and there hasn’t been, and there won’t be. You can take that to the bank.

Honestly, I'm thinking Russia is losing any credibility it has left, by performing this military dramatization.

...And then to ask for "negotiations". :rolleyes:
 
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Would Putin be thinking ahead in realistic terms about the potential economic fallout if he went ahead? Would he be worried that the domestic blow-back might end things for him and his kleptocracy?
 
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He likes to play the strong man, maybe that's all there is to it! It's not easy to see why war is going to be any advantage to Him. Economically Russia is not looking great and any repercussions of a war might create further long and protracted economic problems for lots of members of the Russian people, so not great for popularity ratings, I am thinking!

The potential instability issues around the word, might be beneficial for Russian armaments sales, which could perhaps help the Russian economy to improve a bit, but who knows? No one is really all that sure what the end game is at the moment, perhaps there isn't one at all and it's just about helping his popularity ratings with the Russian people!
 
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