If Jesus was never crucified....

[dreadnought]

Well, scripture looks at it differently. Since this is General Theology, I'll go with scripture.

Well, there was no end to Jesus.

 

[dreadnought]

Well, scripture looks at it differently. Since this is General Theology, I'll go with scripture.

He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken. Isaiah 25:8 RSV

 

[Hammster]

Well, there was no end to Jesus.

this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. - Acts 2:23

Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? - 1 Corinthians 15:12

 

[Blade]

Would he have lived forever? Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
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Were talking about GOD. That KNEW when He came would live and would die on the Cross. This was the plan from the start. I know some love to run with these kind of speculations. Live forever? No..well its written :And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Jesus came as a man.. even He was effect by all the natural laws. Meaning... age. He aged like everyone else. And to know HIM none will ever taste death.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Would he have lived forever? Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
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Christ was mortal before His death.

We don't die because we sin. We die because we are mortal. Christ came as a mortal human being; He was made immortal and incorruptible in the resurrection.

There is an obscure heresy from late antiquity known as Apthartodocetism, also known as Julianism named for its chief proponent, Julian of Halicarnassus. Julian taught that Christ was incorruptible and immortal before His resurrection, and thus only appeared to be mortal; this was declared heresy for it effectively denies Christ's real humanity and suffering, making it mere stage and theater.

Christ our Lord did not appear to be a mortal man, but was. His death was actual death, and His suffering actual suffering; in His resurrection He was glorified, which is why we ourselves look forward to the resurrection of the body and the life everlasting, for "This corruptible must put on incorruptibility, this mortal must put on immortality," (1 Corinthians 15:53). For, as the Apostle also writes, "If the Spirit of Him who raised Christ from the dead is also in you then He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies."

The Eternal Word of God, who is Himself true God of true God, became man, became mortal, corruptible flesh--even our own flesh--and suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, buried, dead, descended into the underworld, and on the third day rose from the dead. Having ascended into the heavens He is seated at the right hand of the Father in glory, from whence He will come again as Judge of the living and the dead, and His kingdom shall have no end.

Indeed, if Christ was not mortal, then our salvation is impossible. St. Gregory Nazianzen having written, "Whatever is not assumed is not healed." If Christ had assumed a humanity other than our own, then our humanity is not rescued, and we have no salvation. But it is because God became one of us, though without sin, that we are saved.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Actually, Jesus hasn't died yet.

Christ did, in fact, die. And He rose from the dead.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BobRyan]

Would he have lived forever? Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
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Jesus was the Son of God .... "God the Son". He came here for a purpose - on a mission - to pay the second death penalty for every sin committed by every human in all of time. That was "his mission".

Jesus was dying in Gethsemane -- had he not been interrupted by Judas' mob , he would eventually have perished due to that alone. -- Mission accomplished!

The outward torment of Christ was but a small pin-prick compared to the supernatural agony of the torment placed on him.

 

[dreadnought]

Christ did, in fact, die. And He rose from the dead.

-CryptoLutheran

this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. - Acts 2:23

Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? - 1 Corinthians 15:12

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV

Jesus was God in flesh (Emmanuel). God never died.

 

[ViaCrucis]

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV

Jesus was God in flesh (Emmanuel). God never died.

Jesus was not God in a human suit. Jesus was--and is--truly and fully God and man in perfect hypostatic union, without confusion or separation of the natures.

Yes, God died, because Christ--who is God--died. This is a paradox of the Mystery of faith; that God who cannot die, died. The Immortal was mortal, the Unpassable was passable, the Eternal was born, God became man.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Newlyrestoredgospel777]

Would he have lived forever? Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
.

You read that JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD transfigured on the mount with Moses and Elijah, did you not? Can a Man transfigure at will? No. This is to show you that HE is GOD. While everyone celebrates HIS death and resurrection, they dismiss the greater, which is transfiguration. When one is transfigured, they have the passport into Heaven. GOD cannot die, it is the WORD which was crucified by the Romans and it was to show us what the Romans would do to the two tablet stones, the two witnesses; the LAW and the Prophet which is the bible (the WORD). and it is the WORD which arose on the 3rd Day.
Rev 11: 3-6
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Elijah (Prophet) shut up Heaven and stropped it from raining. Moses (LAW) turned the sea red, parted the red sea and smited Egypt (the terrestrial earth) with all the plagues.

Rev 11:7-11
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[hedrick]

I agree with ViaCrucis. But I think there's more to be said. The question seems to assume that people die because of their own sin, so that if someone manages not to sin they'd be immortal.

But that's not what Genesis 3 says, and it's not what Christian theology holds. Genesis 3 says that humanity changed, and became subject to suffering. Everyone inherits that fallen humanity. Even if someone didn't sin (which of course we're told no one other than Christ does), they would still die, because they would still be mortal.

When bad things happen to people, it's not always (in fact I'd say usually not) a result of their specific sins. It's because we're all living in a fallen world.

 

[mindlight]

Would he have lived forever? Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
.

Interesting question.

Jesus as a full human being was vulnerable to death. He literally died on the cross. A spear was able to penetrate his side and nails his hands and feet. So someone could have cut his head off also. So one way or another it is clear that Jesus was vulnerable as a man to a violent death.

Jesus never sinned but do people die because of their own sins or those they inherit in their sinful nature. It seems to me that a lot of very good people seem to die young while some wicked people live long lives. So maybe our dying is not to do with our own personal sins but the broken natures that we inherit due to the Fall. Did Jesus born of Mary inherit the sinful nature she and her forebears possessed. Catholics get round this by suggesting that Mary was sinless so there was no sin to inherit. Also it seems really off to suggest that Jesus had a sinful nature which he himself never acted on because the bible asserts he was without sin.
If there was no inherited or chosen sin or consequence of sin in Christ then I wonder if he would have been vulnerable to old age or sickness as we are. There is no record of Jesus ever having a cold or a grey hair. So maybe one way death comes to most of us could never have happened to Jesus.

Maybe Adam and Eve could have lived forever in the safety of Eden only because there was nothing in them that would make them act violently towards each other and God protected them there. In that sense the human condition may have always been vulnerable to violence. The devil could have simply chopped their heads off but he knew that punishment for such an action would have been swift so he had to persuade them to sin instead. Indeed the altercation between Cain and Abel proves the point. If Adam and Eve had fallen over a precipice and lost their heads, God would have fixed them and told them to be more careful. But they would have still temporarily died. When God said that eating the apple would lead to their deaths he did not actually rule out alternate ways they might die which would never have occurred to them. Cain kills Abel in such an alternate way that would never have occurred to Adam and Eve. So it is God who is the guarantor of eternal life for fragile human beings as He has always been from the beginning. Since Jesus was fully God and fully man in the same person it is impossible to conceive of a situation in which the death of Christ could have been anything but the consequence of a Divine plan and his own human choice. That perfect communion of Gods will and mans will that characterised the mystery of Jesus protected Him from the random violence and natural accidents that destroy so many lives. Having died for our sins it was God who restores Jesus from the dead by the resurrection. So also whatever way in which we die and however violently we know God is able to piece us back together at our own resurrection when he gives us our resurrected bodies.

 

[mukk_in]

Would he have lived forever? Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
.

Yes. The Lord was eternal to begin with and still is. So had He not died on the cross He'd have lived on forever, but we'd be lost .

 

[buzuxi02]

Christ would have remained forever as scripture tells us (Micah 5:2, Hebrews 7:24), the same as Jewish tradition believed according to the Law (John 12:33-34) that the messiah 'remains forever'. But this would only pertains to a natural death in a non-corrupt place.
Christ did not die a natural death he voluntarily went to the cross being only capable of a violent death.

 

[dqhall]

Would he have lived forever? Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
.

If you were not born, would someone have posted a question about what would happen if Jesus was not crucified?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

God does not act without purpose. So theologically, the question is in error.

But if your asking if God could have chosen to live a semi-mortal forever. Certainly he could.

That would have left no effect of the death of humans.

If he had not encountered death, there would have been no change to it. The bonds of death would not have been broken.

Could he have chosen another way to accomplish HIS goal of saving mankind. I don't know. HE chose this way, man didn't make this one up, he revealed it to us. It IS the way HE did it... and THANK GOD FOR THAT!

Glory to thy dispensation!

Forgive me...

 

[toLiJC]

Would he have lived forever? Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
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yes of course, the ones that have the eternal reward cannot lose it in any way, but nevertheless work for overall salvation in the true God, because they are righteous - if they were unrighteous, they wouldn't have it

Blessings

 

[dreadnought]

Jesus was not God in a human suit. Jesus was--and is--truly and fully God and man in perfect hypostatic union, without confusion or separation of the natures.

Yes, God died, because Christ--who is God--died. This is a paradox of the Mystery of faith; that God who cannot die, died. The Immortal was mortal, the Unpassable was passable, the Eternal was born, God became man.

-CryptoLutheran

I would say Jesus was God in flesh.

 

[Devin P]

He probably would've lived forever, but He had to die 3 years into His ministry. Just as the Red Heifer dies 3 years after being without work.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Would he have lived forever?
Because, sin leads to death and he was the only man who lived without sin
.

I would think so. This guy lived 969 years.........
Genesis 5:27
So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.

It's unanswerable because there's no reality to it. God always has purpose in what He does. Christ's purpose was the cross.

Yep!.......

Zech 12:10
"And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced…"[Reve 1:7]
Luke 24:26
"…Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:" -
John 19:37
And again another Scripture says, “They shall look on Him whom they pierced.”[fn]
Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.
1 Corinthians 7:23
Of value/honor ye are bought, no be ye becoming! bond servents of men.
Revelation 5:9
and they sing a new song, saying, `Worthy art thou to take the scroll, and to open the seals of it, because Thou wast slaughtered,
and didst purchase/hgorasaV <59> Us to God in Thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation [Hosea 13:14]

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