Originally posted by s0uljah
Look man, the Trinity is a fact. He is Father and Son. Does that make any sense?
No. But God says His thoughts are not our thoughts.
1 X 1 X 1 = 1
Originally posted by Kain
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1 X 1 X 1 X 1 = 1
1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 X 1 =1
1 X 1 X ad infinitum = 1
Originally posted by edpobre
Friends,
Most Trinitarians take 1 John 5:20 as PROOF that Jesus is God. Are they correct? If they are correct, WHERE is his son, Jesus Christ?
Ed
Look man, the Trinity is a fact. He is Father and Son. Does that make any sense?
No. But God says His thoughts are not our thoughts.
1 X 1 X 1 = 1
Here is a link to a prior post which addressed this issue, and was virtually ignored. There are several quotes from the early church fathers, which prove that the church immediately after the apostolic years recognized that 1 John 5:20 referred to Jesus as the true God. For example see quote from Ignatius, below.
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/21028-21.html
A Second Epistle Of Ignatius To St. John. (50-110 AD)
Ignatius was a disciple of John the Beloved, author of the Gospel of John, the three epistles and Revelation.
If thou wilt give me leave, I desire to go up to Jerusalem, and see the faithful (2) saints who are there, especially Mary the mother, whom they report to be an object of admiration and of affection to all. For who would not rejoice to behold and to address her who bore the true God from her own womb, provided he is a friend of our faith and religion? And in like manner [I desire to see] the venerable James, who is surnamed Just, whom they relate to be very like Christ Jesus in appearance,(4) in life, and in method of conduct, as if he were a twin-brother of the same womb.
And I am aware that the writing of the early church fathers is not inspired as are the scriptures but these writings give us a picture how the church, in the years immediately after the apostles, interpreted and put the scriptures into practice. For example, Ignatius, quoted above, was taught by John the beloved, who was taught by Jesus, and read both the Biblical languages.
And Jesus did say that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church that He built upon the rock.
Ooooh that is soooo clever. Can I quote you on that? What it adds to the discussion is just indescribable.
At least Souljah's response dealt with scriptural revelation, God revealed Himself to mankind in three clearly definable ways. And an infinite number of ones relates to this exactly how?
Originally posted by Kain
Another thread on the trinity? Hasn't there been enough these past couple weeks?
I think everything that could be covered has been covered. Some see it as three some don't. The scripture is ambiguous enough to be interpreted either way.
Blah, blah, blah.
There you have it.
Originally posted by edpobre
Originally posted by OldShepherd
Are you sure Souljah's response ( 1 x 1 x 1 = 1) dealt with scriptural revelation? Can you show us where that response was "revaled?"
Ed
"where is his SON Jesus?" What are you talking about? The Father has a Son. Jesus is not the Father.Originally posted by edpobre
Originally posted by OldShepherd
In an earlier thread, you quoted 1 John 5:20 as PROOF that Jesus is the "true God and eternal life. I'm asking you now, IF you believe that is true, where is his SON Jesus? I don't expect you to hide behind the skirt of St. Ignatius because you have a brain of your own, I guess.
Read any one of several of my posts of Matthew 16:18, they explain very clearly what Ignatius, and other early church fathers, has to do with this topic.And what has this got to do with the topic? Are you trying to take the heat off by diverting the topic to another? 
In an earlier thread, you quoted 1 John 5:20 as PROOF that Jesus is the "true God and eternal life. I'm asking you now, IF you believe that is true, where is his SON Jesus? I don't expect you to hide behind the skirt of St. Ignatius because you have a brain of your own, I guess.
"where is his SON Jesus?" What are you talking about? The Father has a Son. Jesus is not the Father.
I notice you are starting to spew out insults again. If you are a disciple of Jesus why do you disobey His comandments.
You wrote:And Jesus did say that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church that He built upon the rock
I wrote:And what has this got to do with the topic? Are you trying to take the heat off by diverting the topic to another?
Read any one of several of my posts of Matthew 16:18, they explain very clearly what Ignatius, and other early church fathers, has to do with this topic.
If I was a member of a cult, and teaching the doctrines of a false prophet, I too would not be interested in the writings of the church that Jesus said He built upon the rock and that the gates of hell would not prevail against.Originally posted by edpobre
I don't think my saying that you have a brain of your own, I guess is an insult. It is an idiomatic expression of having your own thoughts about something. I want you to answer me , NOT qutoe what St. Ignatius wrote because I'm not interested in what he wrote.
I do not understand this comment. I repeat what I said the Father has a Son, Jesus. Jesus is not the Father, but the word of God, 1 John 5:20, clearly states that Jesus is the true God. If you, or any other member of the Iglesisas ni Manalo, would learn to read the Biblical languages, for yourself, instead of blindly following the teachings of your leaders, you would be able to see the truth.At any rate do you deny your statement that Jesus is the "true God and eternal life?" You now say that the Father has a Son and Jesus is NOT the Father. Now, going back to 1 John 5:20, do you deny that "HIM who is true HAS a son, Jesus Christ?
If I was a member of a cult, and teaching the doctrines of a false prophet, I too would not be interested in the writings of the church that Jesus said He built upon the rock and that the gates of hell would not prevail against.
At any rate do you deny your statement that Jesus is the "true God and eternal life?" You now say that the Father has a Son and Jesus is NOT the Father. Now, going back to 1 John 5:20, do you deny that "HIM who is true HAS a son, Jesus Christ?
I do not understand this comment. I repeat what I said the Father has a Son, Jesus. Jesus is not the Father, but the word of God, 1 John 5:20, clearly states that Jesus is the true God.
If you, or any other member of the Iglesisas ni Manalo, would learn to read the Biblical languages, for yourself, instead of blindly following the teachings of your leaders, you would be able to see the truth.
Originally posted by OldShepherd
Ooooh that is soooo clever. Can I quote you on that? What it adds to the discussion is just indescribable.
At least Souljah's response dealt with scriptural revelation, God revealed Himself to mankind in three clearly definable ways. And an infinite number of ones relates to this exactly how?
Originally posted by OldShepherd
Evidently everything has not been covered because you are still misrepresenting what Trinitarians believe about the Trinity. blah blah.