If Jeff Sessions, Romney and McCain are Globalist RINOs then why wasn't Dwight Eisenhower one

[DaisyDay]

Many progressives and liberals, and other people who have voted mainly Democratic over the years and voted for some pretty far-out candidates, make a point of saying to me that they actually are supporters of _________ (pick a few liberal Republicans to name) so that this confession makes them seem moderate or thoughtful or something like that.

On the other hand, it is rare to find a conservative or committed Republican who will insist upon being known as a person who could possibly go either way when entering the voting booth and who really, really admires some Democratic officeholder who, however, is not typical of that party.

I have wondered why this is the case.

Obviously anti-Democratic conservatives and committed Republicans are more committed to partisan, party, than actual issues or the character of the actual candidates.

 

[perplexed]

The point is that Ike, although a Republican, was unlike McCain and Romney who posed as conservatives until they obtained the party's nomination for President. And after they both lost their races for the Presidency, they further threw off their identification with the Party--except in name, of course.
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??? How do you know they were pretending to be conservative

 

[iluvatar5150]

Many progressives and liberals, and other people who have voted mainly Democratic over the years and voted for some pretty far-out candidates, make a point of saying to me that they actually are supporters of _________ (pick a few liberal Republicans to name) so that this confession makes them seem moderate or thoughtful or something like that.

On the other hand, it is rare to find a conservative or committed Republican who will insist upon being known as a person who could possibly go either way when entering the voting booth and who really, really admires some Democratic officeholder who, however, is not typical of that party.

I have wondered why this is the case.

Because the polarization and partisan loyalty/animosity are not symmetrical across the two groups of voters. On average, Republican voters are way more partisan and vitriolic than Democratic voters.

 

[jayem]

If you are looking for someone who uses the actual acronym specifically, it might be hard to find. Goldwater was too long ago, and RINO is a relatively recent coinage. I suggest looking up Barry Goldwater in Conservapedia for a neo-right-wing dismissal of Goldwater as not a "real" Republican. Goldwater's quoted opinion of Jerry Falwell can't be repeated here, and for that reason I will not post the link myself, either.

I remember Barry had a good line on the issue of allowing gay people to serve in the military. Which he supported back when it was a pretty radical idea. He said to be a good soldier you don’t have to be straight. You just have to shoot straight. Still a great line.

 

[Kentonio]

The point is that Ike, although a Republican, was unlike McCain and Romney who posed as conservatives until they obtained the party's nomination for President. And after they both lost their races for the Presidency, they further threw off their identification with the Party--except in name, of course.

This is why it’s difficult to take Trump era Republicans seriously. Mitt Romney could not be more conservative if he tried, he’s literally a walking, talking advertisement for conservative values. Yet apparently he’s ‘pretending’ to be a conservative, while a former Democratic supporting reality TV star and well known dishonest philanderer, bankrupt and all around vile person is now treated like the model conservative. It’s insane quite frankly.

 

[wing2000]

This is why it’s difficult to take Trump era Republicans seriously. Mitt Romney could not be more conservative if he tried, he’s literally a walking, talking advertisement for conservative values. Yet apparently he’s ‘pretending’ to be a conservative, while a former Democratic supporting reality TV star and well known dishonest philanderer, bankrupt and all around vile person is now treated like the model conservative. It’s insane quite frankly.

Romney is a conservative who hasn't checked his morality at the door.

 

[Speedwell]

Of course it is only a coincidence that neither McCain nor Romney (whose authentic status as Republicans is being denounced) were conservative Evangelical Protestants.

 

[jayem]

Because the polarization and partisan loyalty/animosity are not symmetrical across the two groups of voters. On average, Republican voters are way more partisan and vitriolic than Democratic voters.

Ditties to that. Republicans are vicious towards their fellows who don’t toe the party line. Their authoritarianism and intolerance of dissent is intense. And extremely ugly. I don’t see anything close to this among Democrats. Sen. Joe Manchin of WV bucked his party and voted to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to SCOTUS. He got some grief from Democratic observers after the vote. But the party still supported him in the 2018 election. And he was re-elected in a very conservative, pro-Trump state. That’s how it should be. Open disagreement with your party should not be a capital offense.

 

[Albion]

Ditties to that. Republicans are vicious towards their fellows who don’t toe the party line.

On the other hand, they usually aren't squelched by their own party as happens elsewhere. And the examples you gave (McCain and Romney) show it to be so.

See any "Blue Dog Democrats" voting their consciences in Congress anymore??

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

On the other hand, they usually aren't squelched by their own party as happens elsewhere. And the examples you gave (McCain and Romney) show it to be so.

See any "Blue Dog Democrats" voting their consciences in Congress anymore??

An example was literally in the post you quoted but cut out. And showed the Democratic Party continuing to support the person.

 

[Albion]

An example was literally in the post you quoted but cut out. And showed the Democratic Party continuing to support the person.

The Democrats in Congress these days normally vote in near-complete unity, regardless of the issue. That does not square with what had been the case a generation ago when people eagerly pointed to the Blue Dogs as demonstrating an independent and moderate streak within the Democratic Party.

You are referring to the one Democrat who bucked the trend in the Kavanaugh case and he was allowed to do that because of the facts you just referred to--he was facing, in that same year, a tough re-election campaign. What's more, Manchin made his move at the last minute, AFTER it became apparent that there were already enough votes to confirm Kavanaugh.

 

[cow451]

Sorry I am Australian and do not understand the term Globalist RINO can someone give me some background

You are wasting your valuable time on trying to understand absolute drivel.