If homosexuality is proven to be biological . . .

[OphidiaPhile]

This chart is misleading.
Homosexual couples still have the capability to produce children.
Lesbians can use en-vitro fertilization with donated sperm to have babies, while gay couples can donate sperm and have another woman bear the child for the couple.
In addition, in my opinion, homosexuality may pair up loose males in situations where there is a disproportionate amount of males for every female; normally, the lack of females would lead to the males becoming violent and erratic in their attempts to win females, potentially causing rape and increased violence between males. Homosexuality might reduce the amount of competing males by pairing up males with males, reducing unrest.
But that's just my take on it.

Heterosexual people can have homosexual children just as two parents with brown eyes can have blue or green eyed offspring(it is the same mutation). I am not saying that homosexuality is a simple recessive trait however.

 

[sk8Joyful]

sk8Joyful: it is very Rewarding to help people heal...

Indeed it is. So why don't you start doing that?

Find someone who needs to heal,
instead of harping on about something that is not harmful, or an illness, or anything in fact.

"start"?
since 1975, I've been engaged in working helping (chronically-sick) people successfully heal and
what allowed me to truthfully make the above statement.

Cheers!

 

[WhatThe]

"start"?
since 1975, I've been engaged in working helping (chronically-sick) people successfully heal and
what allowed me to truthfully make the above statement.

If by "chronically-sick" you mean "gay" then you haven't been helping.

 

[sk8Joyful]

It will not be found to be biological

already isn't. - And
like I told you in my Rep-comments: "I see you're 'a CF-newbie'.
Please, do not allow (the habitually-nasty, to ruffle) your *peace*... GOD Bless! you

 

[hsmommyofmany]

why do some of you find it necessary to insult people who have different views and call them "stupid" while trying to promote your ideas of acceptance. isnt that a little hypocritical? just because someone chooses to follow God and his Word does not make them stupid. i have 2 masters degrees and went to medical school...i also believe in God and the bible...so...am i stupid?

and by the way...that chart was stupid and was certainly the least important part of what was posted. if you had read what he wrote about it there was a reference to it being totally obvious. perhaps you focused on that just because it was the biggest thing on the page?

as far as the children issue...yes a woman in a lesbian relationship can have a baby...not without a man though....hmmm...a man and a woman...the only way to have a child...shouldnt that play any part in the debate on homosexulaity. if God thought homosexuality was ok then how come there is not a way for a homosexual couple to reproduce with a combo of their own genes?

 

[WhatThe]

as far as the children issue...yes a woman in a lesbian relationship can have a baby...not without a man though....hmmm...a man and a woman...the only way to have a child...shouldnt that play any part in the debate on homosexulaity. if God thought homosexuality was ok then how come there is not a way for a homosexual couple to reproduce with a combo of their own genes?

Because it is no different to a heterosexual couple, where one member is infertile. If your husband was infertile, and you had to use donor sperm to conceive, wouldn't you still see him as being the father of that child?
To my mind, biological links are the LEAST important part of being a parent.

And actually, there IS as way for two people of the same gender to reproduce. It's actually been done, but it's currently still in the trial period for humans.

 

[sk8Joyful]

If by "chronically-sick" you mean "gay", then you haven't been helping.

Both personally & prof., I don't support any practices of Changing, anyone who doesn't want it;
including therefore, a "homo"sexual Individual.

In my opinion, it is morally-wrong to carry-out *Change-work*,
unless a person specifically asks me to help her/him succeed.
Then, it's just a brief matter of time, before he/she gains their own chosen goals.

What I have been saying in this thread:
1. Yes, "homo"-sexuality IS another behavioral choice; and
2. For such Individuals who have wanted to regain their Original-state,
they have been helped successfully, by other practitioners I am familiar with.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

already isn't. - And
like I told you in my Rep-comments: "I see you're 'a CF-newbie'.
Please, do not allow (the habitually-nasty, to ruffle) your *peace*... GOD Bless! you

Another blatant lie.

 

[sk8Joyful]

why do some of you find it necessary to insult people who have different views and call them "stupid"
while trying to promote your ideas of acceptance. isnt that a little hypocritical?

just because someone chooses to follow God and his Word does not make them stupid.
i have 2 masters degrees and went to medical school...i also believe in God and the bible...so...am i stupid?

if God thought homosexuality was ok
then how come there is not a way for a homosexual couple to reproduce with a combo of their own genes?

Exactly

(most folks are not in the habit of "thinking... Independent";
as this requires generally more intelligence, than what can be found here.)

I started asking such, and other questions here, but gave up.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

why do some of you find it necessary to insult people who have different views and call them "stupid" while trying to promote your ideas of acceptance. isnt that a little hypocritical? just because someone chooses to follow God and his Word does not make them stupid. i have 2 masters degrees and went to medical school...i also believe in God and the bible...so...am i stupid?

I would not say all people that believe in god are stupid but a great many are and even more are deluded. I am not saying anyone in particular is but I would say that religious emotionalism does not lend itself to rational thought.

and by the way...that chart was stupid and was certainly the least important part of what was posted. if you had read what he wrote about it there was a reference to it being totally obvious. perhaps you focused on that just because it was the biggest thing on the page?

Nothing else there means anything at all. The bible has yet to be proven to be anything more that ancient man trying to explain that which he could not to an uneducated mass public with control as the end result. Nor does the bible have anything to do with determining the civil rights of a defined minority.

as far as the children issue...yes a woman in a lesbian relationship can have a baby...not without a man though....hmmm...a man and a woman...the only way to have a child...shouldnt that play any part in the debate on homosexulaity. if God thought homosexuality was ok then how come there is not a way for a homosexual couple to reproduce with a combo of their own genes?

What about the hypothesis that posits an increased population spawns an increase in the homosexual population as one of natures methods to somewhat control population increases with the added benefit of homosexual couples adopting some of the unwanted children that would end up falling through the cracks otherwise.

 

[hsmommyofmany]

Because it is no different to a heterosexual couple, where one member is infertile. If your husband was infertile, and you had to use donor sperm to conceive, wouldn't you still see him as being the father of that child?
To my mind, biological links are the LEAST important part of being a parent.

And actually, there IS as way for two people of the same gender to reproduce. It's actually been done, but it's currently still in the trial period for humans.

i understand about the non-biological parent issue, i have adopted children that are no less important to me than my biological ones. personally i could never use another mans sperm to conceive a child, but i understand why people do it. it still remains...a man and a woman need to provide the genetic material.

i am very interested to see your evidence of same sex embryos being successful. since i have quite a bit of medical experience...the literature i have read shows where it has been tried but never viable. thanks

 

[WhatThe]

i understand about the non-biological parent issue, i have adopted children that are no less important to me than my biological ones. personally i could never use another mans sperm to conceive a child, but i understand why people do it. it still remains...a man and a woman need to provide the genetic material.

So you agree with me, but i'm still wrong???
WHY does it matter where the child comes from, as long as it is loved? It's the choice of the parents. Even if I was straight, I would have no desire to biologically parent children, simply because that isn't my role in this lifetime.

i am very interested to see your evidence of same sex embryos being successful. since i have quite a bit of medical experience...the literature i have read shows where it has been tried but never viable. thanks

I didn't say it was perfect yet, I said it was in the trial process:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencea...6/Sperm-cells-created-from-female-embryo.html


I just found this, which looks interesting http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/02/calling-jerry-s.html

 

[roflcopter101]

(most folks are not in the habit of "thinking... Independent";
as this requires generally more intelligence, than what can be found here.)

Thinking...independent?
Wha?
It's not very nice to insult the intelligence of the people you argue against. Personal attacks are unrelated to the issue we are discussing.

i understand about the non-biological parent issue, i have adopted children that are no less important to me than my biological ones. personally i could never use another mans sperm to conceive a child, but i understand why people do it. it still remains...a man and a woman need to provide the genetic material.

I think you need to read my and Ophidia's posts. We said before that homosexual couples do have a social effect of reducing violence and overpopulation, as the power to conceive is not necessarily a good thing when there are not enough resources to provide a good life for the offspring.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Exactly

(most folks are not in the habit of "thinking... Independent";
as this requires generally more intelligence, than what can be found here.)

I started asking such, and other questions here, but gave up.

I would posit that those that only use the bible to determine what is biologically, emotionally or psychologically healthy or normal are not thinking independently, logically or particularly intelligently.

 

[WhatThe]

I would posit that those that only use the bible to determine what is biologically, emotionally or psychologically healthy or normal are not thinking independently, logically or particularly intelligently.

I'll second that.

 

[Zaac]

I would not say all people that believe in god are stupid but a great many are and even more are deluded. I am not saying anyone in particular is but I would say that religious emotionalism does not lend itself to rational thought.

You know, there's not too many things anyone can do about another person's unbelief. But those who have been transformed by Jesus Christ can only continue to pray that God remains merciful, and that by His grace, those who currently don't believe will be provided the opportunity to see just how much Jesus loves them.

Nothing else there means anything at all. The bible has yet to be proven to be anything more that ancient man trying to explain that which he could not to an uneducated mass public with control as the end result. Nor does the bible have anything to do with determining the civil rights of a defined minority.

Proving the Bible is true is not going to convince anyone that Jesus loves them or that He died on the Cross, was buried and resurrected just so that He could be with them for all eternity. If you want to be convinced, challenge Jesus to prove Himself to you. Ask Him to make it known to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that He is Lord and that He loves you.

 

[corvus_corax]

Exactly

(most folks are not in the habit of "thinking... Independent";
as this requires generally more intelligence, than what can be found here.)

How very Jesus-like of you
Good job
Keep up spreading the non-Gospel and just insulting people.
You ARE a Christian, right?

 

[roflcopter101]

I would posit that those that only use the bible to determine what is biologically, emotionally or psychologically healthy or normal are not thinking independently, logically or particularly intelligently.

Thirded.

You know, there's not too many things anyone can do about another person's unbelief. But those who have been transformed by Jesus Christ can only continue to pray that God remains merciful, and that by His grace, those who currently don't believe will be provided the opportunity to see just how much Jesus loves them.

How is that related to religious emotionalism being good or bad?

Proving the Bible is true is not going to convince anyone that Jesus loves them or that He died on the Cross, was buried and resurrected just so that He could be with them for all eternity. If you want to be convinced, challenge Jesus to prove Himself to you. Ask Him to make it known to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that He is Lord and that He loves you.

Then what convinced you that Jesus did those things?
Is not your god the lord, and Jesus but his messenger?
As for challenges, I'm afraid I have not been convinced when I did what you suggested I should do.

 

[Zaac]

Then what convinced you that Jesus did those things?

I had an encounter with Him when I was 12. it's the same thing that convinces anyone who comes to faith in Him that He is Who He says He is.

Is not your god the lord, and Jesus but his messenger?

Jesus is Lord. And Jesus is God.

As for challenges, I'm afraid I have not been convinced when I did what you suggested I should do.

Ask again. Call on the name of Jesus and ask Him to show you that He is Lord and Savior.

 

[corvus_corax]

If you want to be convinced, challenge Jesus to prove Himself to you. Ask Him to make it known to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that He is Lord and that He loves you.

Been there
Done that
(not joking at ALL)
Got the "...and all I got was this stupid t shirt" t shirt.
(that part was a joke, just to be clear)

Hmmm, oddly your challenge is full of fail.
Epic Fail.