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If GOP stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestantism, then it's not going to win anything

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by SummerMadness, May 3, 2021.

  1. SummerMadness

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    Bush says if GOP stands for 'White Anglo-Saxon Protestantism, then it's not going to win anything'
     
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  3. Fantine

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    Er...I think that, 300 plus voter suppression laws later, they think they can keeping eking out wins by lopping off voters instead of expanding their broad appeal.
     
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  4. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    Where are all these voter suppression laws and why haven't the courts struck them down? Maybe because they don't exist. Only in the minds of conspiracy theorists.
     
  5. Occams Barber

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    Anglo Saxon has long been 'code' for 'white'. Anglo Saxons are the original 'English' people - by implication the exemplar of 'whiteness'.
    anglo saxon as code for white - Google Search

    The political tradition thing is a vague reference to British (Western) law/governance post Magna Carta. Magna Carta is the first dull glimmer of individual rights and 'fairness' under common law. Again - 'white (British) law therefore superior. This 'political tradition' is not technically Anglo Saxon since the Anglo Saxon era ended well before Magna Carta.

    Whoever put this line into the GOP Caucus platform knew nothing about English history but was well versed in dog whistling.

    OB
     
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  6. Fantine

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    They were passed after two fair elections gave us Biden, Warnock, and Ossoff.

    They haven't reached the courts yet--but they will, and hopefully the courts will overturn many.

    I also support HR1.
     
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  7. mnorian

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    From the "Brennan Center For Justice":

    "In a backlash to 2020’s historic voter turnout, and under the pretense of responding to baseless and racist allegations of voter fraud and election irregularities, state lawmakers have introduced a startling number of bills to curb the vote. As of March 24, legislators have introduced 361 bills with restrictive provisions in 47 states. footnote1_rhir53f1That’s 108 more than the 253 restrictive bills tallied as of February 19, 2021 — a 43 percent increase in little more than a month."

    The good news? There was also 843 "voters rights" laws introduced:

    "At the same time, 843 bills with expansive provisions have been introduced in a different set of 47 states (up from 704 bills as of February 19, 2021). footnote3_kl7a7yh3 Of these, nine expansive bills have been signed into law. footnote4_htngiip4 In addition, at least 112 bills with expansive provisions are moving in 31 states: 9 have passed both chambers and are awaiting signature (including a bill to restore voting rights in Washington), 41 have passed one chamber, and 62 have had some sort of committee action.

    More than a third of the expansive bills address absentee voting, while more than a fifth seek to ease voter registration. State lawmakers are also focusing on expanding access to early voting and restoring voting rights to people with past convictions."

    Voting Laws Roundup: March 2021
     
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  8. Der Alte

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    300 voter suppression laws? I have only heard about one state and there is nothing about suppressing voters. Seems like a lot of people object to requiring IDs wonder why that is? So many things require an ID wonder why there is so much objection to voter IDs?
     
  9. Albion

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    That would probably be true.

    If the GOP were to stand for White Anglo-Saxon Protestantism, then it probably would not do well. But neither would it do well if it stood for Hispanic Methodists or Asian-Americans who are vegetarians.

    The fact is that the same could be said of the Democratic Party, too.

    But since neither of the parties is intending to do any of this...there's nothing to talk about.
     
  10. mnorian

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    From the CNN article:

    Marjorie Taylor Greene launching 'America First' caucus pushing for 'Anglo-Saxon political tradition' - CNNPolitics
     
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  11. Albion

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    You see, any action that reduces voter fraud is going to be called "vote suppression" by the backers of the politicians most likely to benefit from vote fraud.

    It's just a slogan, having no validity, but it sounds meaningful.
     
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    You ignore the most odious parts of the laws. Georgia and Texas closed hundreds of polling places in inner cities and minority areas. WASPS sailed in and out of empty polling places while people of color waited for many hours. Dropboxes were also removed in minority areas.
    The new polling places were strategically located far from public transportation.
    Georgia enacted special suppression laws that only pertained to Fulton County, Atlanta. How blatantly racist can you get?
    There are laws that people can't travel in a van to the polls. Heaven forbid a kindly lady brings her Bible Study group.
    Stacey Abrams said that if you registered to vote as Jane Jones but your drivers license says Jane A. Jones they will deny your right to vote.
    In a Louisville, KY primary election there was one polling place for 700, 000 people.
    Hopefully the Courts won't find it as easy to ignore this surgically targeted disenfranchisement as you are.
    I will drink Coke products. If Delta still flew out of my airport I would fly them. Good for them standing up for justice--as all Christians should.
     
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  14. disciple Clint

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    The reporter is setting a false narrative by saying "Former President George W. Bush again criticized what he sees as a Republican Party that is not inclusive enough, arguing that if it stands for "White Anglo-Saxon Protestantism, then it's not going to win anything." However Bush was actually responding to a question about members of the Republican Party who planned to start a caucus pushing for "Anglo-Saxon political tradition" and Republicans who peddled the falsehood that the 2020 election was stolen. Taken context it does not support the false narrative that the article attempts to invent.
    [​IMG]US election 2020: Why Trump gained support among minorities
     
  15. Occams Barber

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    The article clearly quoted Bush's "white Anglo Saxon Protestant" comment. It also clearly reported he was asked about "white Anglo Saxon tradition". There was no false narrative - just Bush's interpretation of the policy.

    In any case your argument is trivial, Bush clearly criticised the caucus platform.

    Your use of the table is particularly misleading. The table compared 2016 Trump popularity to November 2020 election results. Its now May 2021. Including the table with the header "Support for Trump Rises Among Minorities" suggests that the rise is based on current figures.

    OB
     
  16. disciple Clint

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    Do you have any statistics that show that national minority support for the Republican party has decreased in the past six months since the Nov election?
     
  17. Occams Barber

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    Current figures are irrelevant. By using that table you created the impression that it represented current figures. In effect your post did exactly what you accused the article of doing - inventing a narrative.

    OB
     
  18. disciple Clint

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    As if I have any control over when the last national election was. The facts are the facts they stand regardless of who dislikes them until they are countered with new facts which you have indicated you do not have.
     
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  20. Tiberius Lee

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    President Bush can say the Truth but the current Republican party will not accept it. Truth be told , if GWB run today , he wouldn’t even get 10% vote in GOP primary. People will kick him out if he says “ 2020 election was not stolen” .

    You can see the reply here in the forum, they don’t even acknowledge the issue, how on earth will they change? One even bring up some article where 10% black women vote means “ Trumpism is on the rise with minority”. They don’t even realize 10% support is far less then 90%, how on earth they would accept more complex racial issue. They have one African-American senator and they think they solved the racial injustice in this country.

    Republican party is not gonna change. Let them play around for next 4-8 years more.. and then just like any other obsolete thing in history, they will be left behind and life will move on. But for now. hang tight and fasten your seat belt, because the next 4-8 years will be ugly and a bumpy ride.
     
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