If gaining Salvation is a free choice, why cant losing Salvation also be a free choice?

[SAAN]

If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.

Think how many atheists you see on line religious forums or social media, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.

 

[Hammster]

I agree.

 

[Southernscotty]

This is the only way I believe that it is possible to lose it, Is to deny Jesus from our own freewill. I have always felt that you CAN refuse the gift.

 

[SeventyOne]

If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.

Think how many atheists you see on line religious forums or social media, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.

Salvation isn't some title or office that can be walked away from like a bad job, nor is it the speaking of a few words at some point. It's a complete recreation of the individual, a sealing by the Holy Spirit, and the purchase of ourselves by another. there is no 'walking away' option. You are either saved and remaining, or never saved at all.

 

[Southernscotty]

But I also believe as long as you Romans 10:9-11, Confess and believe that Romans 8:38-39 there is NOTHING that can take away that love.

 

[Tolworth John]

If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.

Think how many atheists you see on line religious forums or social media, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.

Salvation is only free to us, we pay nothing.

But it was very costly for Jesus.
If he was prepared to go through everything he went through for you.
Why do you think that his love for you is so poor that he is prepared to let you walk away from him because of a childish whim?

Jesus said those My Father has given to Me I hold in my hand and NoOne can snatch them out of my hand.

The bible pictures salvation as like being married.
Many teenagers and other promise life long devotion to someone only to start walking out with someone else.
You are only married if you remain married and not divorced or abandon your spouse.
You are only a Christian if one remains true to ones commitment to Jesus.

 

[Southernscotty]

Salvation isn't some title or office that can be walked away from like a bad job, nor is it the speaking of a few words at some point. It's a complete recreation of the individual, a sealing by the Holy Spirit, and the purchase of ourselves by another. there is no 'walking away' option. You are either saved and remaining, or never saved at all.

Yes except for blasphemy. That is refusing the gift

 

[SeventyOne]

Yes except for blasphemy. That is refusing the gift

The gift has already been accepted and applied. This condition would not longer be applicable at that point.

 

[Southernscotty]

The gift has already been accepted and applied. This condition would not longer be applicable at that point.

I am stating that blasphemy is refusing to "accept" that free gift that is offered. So if not accepted, How can it be gained? You have to believe and confess

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Once you are born into your family you cannot become unborn.Even if you are living in a pig pen you are still your parent's child.

 

[Hammster]

Once you are born into your family you cannot become unborn.Even if you are living in a pig pen you are still your parent's child.

Yep.

 

[Southernscotty]

Once you are born into your family you cannot become unborn.Even if you are living in a pig pen you are still your parent's child.

Amen. Once you are born you can't be unborn. You have to believe and confess and then you are saved. I do believe that before that is when you can deny God, By your freewill, Not everyone will confess Him and that is blasphemy so once you truly accept Him, How could you ever turn your back on Him?
I do not believe anyone who has tasted how good God is can :]

 

[συνείδησις]

Salvation isn't some title or office that can be walked away from like a bad job, nor is it the speaking of a few words at some point. It's a complete recreation of the individual, a sealing by the Holy Spirit, and the purchase of ourselves by another. there is no 'walking away' option. You are either saved and remaining, or never saved at all.

But if you don't abide in the vine, you are broken off like a branch and burned. The book says so.

 

[Southernscotty]

But if you don't abide in the vine, you are broken off like a branch and burned. The book says so.

But it is God, holding to us, Not us holding to Him

 

[συνείδησις]

Once you are born into your family you cannot become unborn.Even if you are living in a pig pen you are still your parent's child.

That's true, but you can be disinherited.

 

[συνείδησις]

But it is God, holding to us, Not us holding to Him

No, it's us holding on to GOD's promises. There's no biblical example that teaches otherwise. The promises are only to those of faith.

 

[bcbsr]

If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.

Think how many atheists you see on line religious forums or social media, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.

One can enter marriage by one's free will, but one cannot end the marriage by one's free will.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

That's true, but you can be disinherited.

Have you ever read the story of the prodigal son?

 

[Southernscotty]

No, it's us holding on to GOD's promises. There's no biblical example that teaches otherwise. The promises are only to those of faith.

The branches do not nourish the Vine. It is the other way around.
Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

No, it's us holding on to GOD's promises. There's no biblical example that teaches otherwise. The promises are only to those of faith.

The one who saves is the one who keeps us saved.
Jude 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,