If evolution is true, we don't have problems.

[OldWiseGuy]

And we can't change them as evolution is an painfully slow, unconscious, unseen, process. Attempting to address what we conceive of as 'problems' has never been effective in the grand sense, and our condition worsens as every day passes. And evolution is too slow anyway. We don't have time to evolve our way out of our problems, therefore what we conceive of as problems aren't really problems, just facts of life.

 

[Ophiolite]

And we can't change them as evolution is an painfully slow, unconscious, unseen, process. Attempting to address what we conceive of as 'problems' has never been effective in the grand sense, and our condition worsens as every day passes. And evolution is too slow anyway. We don't have time to evolve our way out of our problems, therefore what we conceive of as problems aren't really problems, just facts of life.

That's silly. Evolution has nothing to do with how we, or any organism addresses it's problems of the moment, except that evolution has presented it with the tools with which to attempt problem solution. Thus evolution does not help solve present day problems - and it is silly to criticise it for failing to do so - but our evolved abilities are often well suited to solving those problems. The fact that you have lived for a number of decades is testament to that.

and our condition worsens as every day passes.

That seems to be contradicted by the progressive reduction in global poverty despite an increasing population.
It is contradicted by the elimination of long standing diseases and our ability to find solutions to the pandemic in the space of a year.
It is contradicted by the available solutions for global warming that lack only acceptance and political will to implement.

Edited typos.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's silly. Evolution has nothing to do with how we, or any organism addresses it's problems of the moment, except that evolution has presented it with the tools with which to attempt problem solution. Thus evolution does not help solve present day problems - and it is silly criticise if for failing to do so - but our evolved abilities are often well suited to solving those problems. The fact that you have lived for a number of decades is testament to that.

That seems to be contradicted by the progressive reduction in global poverty despite an increasing population.
It is contradicted by the elimination of long standing diseases and our ability to find solutions to the pandemic in the space of a year.
It is contradicted by the available solutions for global warming that lack only acceptance and political will to implement.

You make my point. Evolution, of the mind and will, hasn't kept up with the problems we create. Irresponsible Covid response by the public is a good example. Of course it could be reckoned as evolutionary population control, and as such is a solution, not a problem.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If gravity is true, we don't have planes.

I mean... things fall down. There is no possibility that technology could be used to make heavier-than-air craft go up.

What is with this bizarre defeatism?

Evolution gave us an appendix. Entirely separate from all things evolutionary, medicine has given us a way to deal with it if it goes wonky. Evolution being a fact has no particular bearing on our problems or our ability to address them.

 

[Shemjaza]

And we can't change them as evolution is an painfully slow, unconscious, unseen, process. Attempting to address what we conceive of as 'problems' has never been effective in the grand sense, and our condition worsens as every day passes. And evolution is too slow anyway. We don't have time to evolve our way out of our problems, therefore what we conceive of as problems aren't really problems, just facts of life.

This would only be true if the only way out of our problems was species wide genetic change... that isn't, so it's not a problem.

 

[VirOptimus]

And we can't change them as evolution is an painfully slow, unconscious, unseen, process. Attempting to address what we conceive of as 'problems' has never been effective in the grand sense, and our condition worsens as every day passes. And evolution is too slow anyway. We don't have time to evolve our way out of our problems, therefore what we conceive of as problems aren't really problems, just facts of life.

Evolution=observed phenomena (i.e. fact)

The theory of evolution=explains how it works.

Your headline is ignorant.

 

[pitabread]

Why is it that every single time the phrase, "If evolution is true..." is uttered, it's always followed by something that has nothing to do with whether evolution is true?

 

[coffee4u]

And we can't change them as evolution is an painfully slow, unconscious, unseen, process. Attempting to address what we conceive of as 'problems' has never been effective in the grand sense, and our condition worsens as every day passes. And evolution is too slow anyway. We don't have time to evolve our way out of our problems, therefore what we conceive of as problems aren't really problems, just facts of life.

Well it isn't true, its a pack of lies by the evil one.
God created us in perfection.
Man fell and became sinful and corrupted the world.
Jesus came to die to save us from that sin condition
At the end, the world will be remade back to perfection that cannot be corrupted.
So ends the circle. It is a circle of hope not disrepair. It is the Gospel.

 

[pitabread]

It is the Gospel.

Which is why you should probably be posting it in the Apologetics forum and not the science one.

 

[Ophiolite]

Evolution, of the mind and will, hasn't kept up with the problems we create.

We didn't create the Covid problem, but we have found solutions within a year of its appearance. And I'll grant you that it took four years to get rid of Trump, which was a self made problem, but that problem is now solved. Intransigent ignorance seems somewhat trickier, but we'll sort that one also.

 

[Freodin]

And we can't change them as evolution is an painfully slow, unconscious, unseen, process. Attempting to address what we conceive of as 'problems' has never been effective in the grand sense, and our condition worsens as every day passes. And evolution is too slow anyway. We don't have time to evolve our way out of our problems, therefore what we conceive of as problems aren't really problems, just facts of life.

A thought that is exclusively based on the idea that evolution is somehow meant - or useful - for solving "problems"... of whatever kind.

That idea is simply false... which should be obvious with just a minuscule amount of rational thought.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This would only be true if the only way out of our problems was species wide genetic change... that isn't, so it's not a problem.

Isn't problem solving a matter of will and intellect? If so it's an evolutionary shortcoming.

 

[Shemjaza]

Isn't problem solving a matter of will and intellect? If so it's an evolutionary shortcoming.

... but we have problem supplying ability.

Humans are intelligent, creative and adaptive. We could be better at all these things and nicer to boot, but we have what we need to succeed. What we are missing is the cultural pressures to do the right thing. Biologically we are pretty good.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We didn't create the Covid problem, but we have found solutions within a year of its appearance. And I'll grant you that it took four years to get rid of Trump, which was a self made problem, but that problem is now solved. Intransigent ignorance seems somewhat trickier, but we'll sort that one also.

You are more optimistic than I am.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

A thought that is exclusively based on the idea that evolution is somehow meant - or useful - for solving "problems"... of whatever kind.

That idea is simply false... which should be obvious with just a minuscule amount of rational thought.

It was a tongue-in-cheek thought.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

... but we have problem supplying ability.

Humans are intelligent, creative and adaptive. We could be better at all these things and nicer to boot, but we have what we need to succeed. What we are missing is the cultural pressures to do the right thing. Biologically we are pretty good.

Where would this 'cultural pressure' come from?

 

[Shemjaza]

Where would this 'cultural pressure' come from?

The world around us? Same as it always has.

Culture constantly changes and diverges based on new ideas and situations, not genetics.

 

[pitabread]

What we are missing is the cultural pressures to do the right thing.

Worth noting that some cultures are more equipped for handling the pandemic than others. It seems to be the West's more individualistic emphasis where there are problems. Plus, of course, gaps in education and trust in governance leading to situations like the U.S.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The world around us? Same as it always has.

Culture constantly changes and diverges based on new ideas and situations, not genetics.

I think culture lags behind changes in technology (I still don't own a smartphone).

 

[coffee4u]

Which is why you should probably be posting it in the Apologetics forum and not the science one.

Not a part of the rules, so I will keep posting for Christianity, for scripture, for truth. You don't have to read them.