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If Christians must forever have their sins forgiven, was this God's original intention for mankind?

Discussion in 'Young Adults' started by temple_of_truth, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. temple_of_truth

    temple_of_truth New Member

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    If we accept Christ we are forgiven of our sins, but why does our children need to accept Christ as well if our sins are completely redeemed?
    Will we ever be able to go back to God's original plan, creating a world without sin? Or do we need to constantly be forgiven of our sins every generation?
     
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  2. Phil W

    Phil W Well-Known Member

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    First, welcome to the site.
    Second, what do you mean by "always forgiven"?
    Third, if there had been no disobedience by Eve and Adam, there would be no sin on earth.
     
  3. Tolworth John

    Tolworth John Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Welcome to the forum.
    Our sins are only forgiven if we confess them to God.

    No this is not the intended plan, what we see in Eden was the intended plan.
     
  4. temple_of_truth

    temple_of_truth New Member

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    Sorry I should of clarified better! I edited my post now.
     
  5. Phil W

    Phil W Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the editing.
    Every man needs to make his own decision regarding both accepting Jesus as God's Son and whether or not they are willing to follow Him until death.
    Our belief and repentance from sin does not count on/for later generations.
    It is their decision to make.
    As for ever living in a world without sin...it won't ever happen.
    That is why there is a promised new heavens and a new earth ahead of us.
    But you can live in a house without sin if you yourself will have a real "turn from" sin!
    That is what I have done, thanks be to God!
     
  6. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Humanity has a finish date, no one but God knows when. God is willing to forgive but every individual has to accept for themselves. Eventually the heavens and the earth will be replaced. Our children still trace their ancestry to Adam. They are born sinners just as we are.
     
  7. Phil W

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    The reborn can trace their ancestry to God.
    We are reborn non-sinners.
     
  8. temple_of_truth

    temple_of_truth New Member

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    Jesus said to Peter before his crucifixion:
    "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." -Matt 16:19

    Sin was committed here on earth. So shouldn't it be restored here on earth?

    "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven." -Matt 6:10

    Many people believe that in the end of the world, God will destroy the earth and a handful of Christians will be lifted up in the air to live with Christ in the millennium. But if that happened the Original Will of God, a world without sin, will be forever unfulfilled. It would be a failure.
    God is almighty, omniscient and omnipotent. But he can't restore the earth to a world without sin? I truly believe that our loving and powerful God would never give up on earth like that. Earth was meant to be His Kingdom!
     
  9. Phil W

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    Absolutely, and it has already been accomplished in the hearts of the repentant on earth now.

    Jesus' prayer has been answered in the affirmative...thanks be to God.

    It is written..."Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." (2 Peter 3:13)
    There is are some pretty good OT scriptures pointing to a new earth too, including..."For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind." (Isa 65:17)

     
  10. temple_of_truth

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    When you say new earth, you are saying that this earth will be destroyed because it was a failure and a new physical earth will appear? Then that new earth will be a world without sin... And when you say new heaven... was heaven a bad heaven that needs to be replaced like the earth? What is new heaven, why do we need a new heaven?
     
  11. lordjeff

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    Good question. Ya know one reason why I left the RC Church was just the constant shaming weekly on the subject of sin. I mean there was nothing positive. Look no one will ever be perfect & if you dwell on the issue too much, you will seriously get mentally ill. When I worked for the state, I had a colleague who was an ex-nun & she gave me the most satisfying answer to this topic. It was finished at Calvary. In the Gospel He says It is finished. If it were not finished & there are continuing chapters, then what would be the purpose of the cross? It would be just a facade. So given that generations coming forth would never be perfect, Calvary answers the question once & for all-we are forgiven. Everything is grace.
     
  12. Phil W

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    No, I'm saying the old world will be destroyed and replaced by one untainted by sin.

    It will be one untainted by sinners.

    God is starting over with a new earth and heavens above.
    Why?
    Because He can.
     
  13. Phil W

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    Is there anything "positive" about sinning?
    God made a way to be perfect.
    Jesus said the truth would make you free.
    Free from what? the Jews asked.
    Jesus said..."Who soever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
    The truth can free you from sin.
    His words are true in my life.
     
  14. lordjeff

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    There is no way to be perfect. Almost anything can be termed a sin. If I told you I would meet you for lunch at 12 noon but instead showed up at 12:20 would that then be called a lie or would that just be kind of in the norm of human behavior. I think in the general public's sense of sin we mean actions that cause deliberate bodily harm to another human or animal or population; theft in the sense of larceny; scamming & larceny; deliberate fraud; any kind of slavery or human trafficking; any kind of ethnic cleansing; crimes against humanity; torture; deliberate slander; & stuff pertaining to lust for power & greed.
     
  15. Phil W

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    It is written..."Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled." (Titus 1:15)
    There is a way to be perfect on earth now.
    It starts with a real "turn from" sin.
    Then baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
    The result?
    An ex-sinner, washed by the blood of Christ, and reborn of God' seed.
    Perfect !
    From there we remain in the light, wherein is no sin.
     
  16. lordjeff

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    Although mankind overall has been dominated by the bad things that happen, I choose to focus on the positive things brought out by humanity.
     
  17. theleo593

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    God intended mankind forever, but sin separates us from God.
     
  18. lordjeff

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    Again there is no gospel no denomination no psyche doc no person that will stop that from happening. Jesus confronted the devil in his 40 day fast, why did not he destroy him there. Don't know.
     
  19. Phil W

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    Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of past sins.
    Jesus had to fulfill all the OT prophecies that pointed to a Redeemer and Savior.
     
  20. lordjeff

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    I don't buy the shedding of blood b/c it reminds of the US militarty & its love of war.
     
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