LouisBooth
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"The Reformers decided to cut one of their own legs off and threw Tradition away, but that does not negate the veracity of it. "
Not really, they just don't see it as divine. Luther did not say, the tradition was crap, he DID say that it was not the proper judge of theology. He did "like" what the tradition said and even adhearded to most of it.
"More schoolin' is required fer you, son"
Hey, I knew it, just couldn't remember it, but that wouldn't get me help on a test huh? :lol:
"The dogma of the Immaculate Conception was defined by Pope Pius IX in 1854, and Papal infallibility was defined by Vatican Council I in 1870"
Actually according to what i have read this ablitity of the popes was not adhearded or recognized by the church until AFTER the council at which ya'll say things happen infaultablity. By catholic definations he was speaking in ex cathedra BEFORE it could be done.
"Papal infallibility is mentioned as far back as Cyprian of Carthage in 252 A.D., "
Not addressed specifically was it? If so then we need to update some beliefs that have been said by popes in the past
"So both the Immaculate Conception and Papal infallibility pre-date the 19th century"
Yes but these definations were made AFTER the fact. I just see it as catholics saying something THEN going and finding it in the bible or tradtion to support what they have already said. That's not right...well to me.
"when both dogmas were defined, by around 1,800 years, give or take. "
The immacultate conception I would agree, not with popal infaultability. I think it was done after the fact. Just like the roman popes claim that he was the more equal of all the popes.
"Read the Didache for reasons why the procedure might differ. (It had to do with the availability of water.)"
Ah..so you do agree they have changed
"Oh, yes I can. Were there seven sacraments originally? You tell me:"
Oh, using verses of the bible I can come up with a few more then that. If that's what we are going to do
"Procedures might differ as indicated above, but Tradition itself does not change. "
Prodedures are the tradition. Just as you believe in real presence it all has to do with HOW it is done. It is not present until AFTER it has been blessed..ie procedure. RIGHT?
Not really, they just don't see it as divine. Luther did not say, the tradition was crap, he DID say that it was not the proper judge of theology. He did "like" what the tradition said and even adhearded to most of it.
"More schoolin' is required fer you, son"
Hey, I knew it, just couldn't remember it, but that wouldn't get me help on a test huh? :lol:
"The dogma of the Immaculate Conception was defined by Pope Pius IX in 1854, and Papal infallibility was defined by Vatican Council I in 1870"
Actually according to what i have read this ablitity of the popes was not adhearded or recognized by the church until AFTER the council at which ya'll say things happen infaultablity. By catholic definations he was speaking in ex cathedra BEFORE it could be done.
"Papal infallibility is mentioned as far back as Cyprian of Carthage in 252 A.D., "
Not addressed specifically was it? If so then we need to update some beliefs that have been said by popes in the past
"So both the Immaculate Conception and Papal infallibility pre-date the 19th century"
Yes but these definations were made AFTER the fact. I just see it as catholics saying something THEN going and finding it in the bible or tradtion to support what they have already said. That's not right...well to me.
"when both dogmas were defined, by around 1,800 years, give or take. "
The immacultate conception I would agree, not with popal infaultability. I think it was done after the fact. Just like the roman popes claim that he was the more equal of all the popes.
"Read the Didache for reasons why the procedure might differ. (It had to do with the availability of water.)"
Ah..so you do agree they have changed
"Oh, yes I can. Were there seven sacraments originally? You tell me:"
Oh, using verses of the bible I can come up with a few more then that. If that's what we are going to do
"Procedures might differ as indicated above, but Tradition itself does not change. "
Prodedures are the tradition. Just as you believe in real presence it all has to do with HOW it is done. It is not present until AFTER it has been blessed..ie procedure. RIGHT?
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