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Featured I think I just had an epiphany

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by theoneandonlypencil, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. theoneandonlypencil

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    So I had an interesting thought that I wanted to share. Bear with me please, because this might be long.

    I'm still taking in as much biblical information as I can, and the more I read about ALL of the debates between denomination over what classifies as sin, what doctrine is correct, who is the real heretic, etc...I kinda realized some things.

    Satan's plan to infiltrate the church is not how I thought it was.

    Now I'm not talking about disputes over basic biblical truths(such as whether or not it's okay to have premarital sex or something of the like)--but things that are...less important, if at all mentioned in the bible. Listen, in just the past few months, I've read and observed a lot. Some of which include;
    - C.S. Lewis was a satanic pagan heretic who despises Christianity and if ANY pastor endorses his Christian works(like mere christianity)then he is a heretic himself and should be ashamed
    - It's sinful for women to wear pants
    - A woman thought that ANY and ALL cartoons were satanic and sending children to hell because of a 'vision' she had in a dream
    - Rock music is secretly satantic worship messages
    - Metal is evil because the 'beat' is aggressive
    - Paul Washer(whom I really look up to)is a false prophet who pushes calvinism and causes people to stray from Jesus
    - Anyone basically who doesn't believe in the 'right' doctrine is heretical and will burn in hell
    - All holidays are evil because of their pagan roots, and if you celebrate any form of them, you're pretty much betraying Christ
    - Contemplative prayer is anti-biblical because it resembles 'eastern tradition' and isn't mentioned in the bible

    I mean...look at that list. The more I observe a lot of Christian communities, the more that I see what's going on in the background. There's so much competition between doctrines and beliefs, I have to wonder; are we missing the point? I understand that we are to rebuke our brothers and sisters when they are sinning, but what gives us the authority to argue over Christ-centered doctrine? So long as it's not promoting sin...what of it? I see a lot of Christians viciously attacking each other with the belief that 'their' doctrine is right, and become so arrogant that they feel as though they have the authority to tell people whether or not they're going to hell. Whether or not they're truly CHRISTIANS. Let's face it; Jesus Christ may be the only way to salvation, but it seems like that 'long narrow path' might actually have to be SEVERAL long narrow paths at this point.

    I've dedicated myself to learning the truth about the bible; about Christianity. But the more I learn, the more I hear the arguments from all sides, the more I think of this particular verse...

    Titus 3:9-11 NIV
    But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.
    ...and the more I realize, we really are all missing the point.

    How are we supposed to glorify God when we're busy condemning others?
    How are we to claim we're loving just as Jesus Christ was when we use such harsh words like 'heretic', 'apostate', 'satanic' to describe our brothers and sisters who believe in the same sins, the same God, the same Jesus that died on the cross for all of our sins...all because they differ in doctrine? Is that not hate???
    How are we supposed to grow in our relationship with God when we're only concerned with how 'holy' or 'correct' we appear to everyone around us?
    How do we even know we're right with our doctrine?
    How do we know those who disagree with us are wrong?

    I'm sick and tired of it, truly. I myself do have disagreements with people over doctrine, and that's OKAY. I'm not saying you shouldn't voice an opinion if you think that something isn't biblically sound. But at the same time, it seems like very few people have the humility to admit that they could be wrong with their own argument--or that, heaven forbid, the subject matter is up to one's personal conviction. No, it's always "The verses I pulled up MYSELF say that you're wrong" or those condescending remarks of "Only the Holy Spirit can help you" when they realize you aren't caving in your own convictions--as if your version of God is different than mine and will suddenly enlighten me on why you're the holy one and I'm not???

    The PRIDE displayed is unbelievable. None of us, not a single one is qualified to be the final judge on whether our interpretation of something in the bible is true or not. Just because someone has a different viewpoint, doesn't mean they're automatically a hedonistic heretic. Likewise, I'm sick of the word 'legalistic' being thrown around. Yes, there are a lot of real legalists out there; and no, they probably aren't the ones who are genuinely concerned with your spiritual state and think that you should make some changes in your life. There are a lot of EXTREMELY devout Christians whom I look up to who are full of zeal and considered 'legalistic' by people, I'm sure. Even I sometimes disagree with what they talk about. I once, admittedly, felt shameful that I wasn't as 'holy' or 'perfect' as they appeared to be--and I began to shy away from learning from them, that if I fell short of what they were, I wasn't good enough for Christ.

    That was a big mistake on my part.

    I'm not striving to be like other humans. I'm striving to be like CHRIST. I've spent so much time measuring myself by the standards of 'wise', Godly men and what they preached that I fell into the biggest and most obvious trap; self-condemnation. I felt like these people knew something I didn't, or that maybe I was wrong for not agreeing with everything they say. But you know what? I don't think that anymore. There is not a single human being that is, or has ever been, on this earth--except for those in the Bible and Jesus Christ--that I will ever truly trust the teachings of. I always, ALWAYS compare arguments to the opposing view; compare it with scripture, pray for clarity & never stop learning. The only way I'd ever trust a man's words fully is if he spoke in nothing but verses from the Bible itself.

    This division is killing us. It's killing the church. These stupid arguments over 'temporal' objects and the like is, I feel, deeply distracting us from what we're supposed to be chasing after as hard and fast as we can--JESUS CHRIST!

    Nobody knows if it's a sin to watch tv
    Nobody knows if it's a sin for women to wear pants
    Nobody knows if it's a sin to own nice cars or a big house
    Nobody knows if it's a sin to play video games
    Nobody knows if it's a sin to drink or smoke at all
    Nobody knows if it's a sin to celebrate easter, halloween or christmas

    We are NOT called to dispute over these things. I've come to this forum many times asking questions about these temporary things--when really, I should have been just reading my bible and thanking God for every opportunity that I've been given, whether it be the simple pleasure of sitting outside in the morning, worshipping God at my church, spending time with my family, or watching silly videos with my boyfriend. I've spent too much time arguing over what's 'okay' and what's 'not okay' and feeling like I either have to follow someone else's convictions, or make them follow my own.

    At the end of the day, all of us could be wrong about anything. And that's OKAY. It's okay to have different doctrines as long as we are trying our hardest to follow God's will with what he has written to us. Don't condemn each other for every little thing; have civil discussions, and if you can't agree--agree to disagree, and then leave each other be. Nobody needs to be the 'heretic' or the 'pharisee'.

    I will thank God and give Him glory in everything I do. Whether it be fasting, reading the bible, studying our rich Christian history or having fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ--to enjoying the talents of those who make my favorite video games and write the stories for my favorite fantasy worlds, reading the weird mythology of cultures long since dead, or just having fun celebrating halloween as a time not of pagan rituals but as a time to dress up and enjoy some spooky stories and candy with friends and family. I thank God for every experience I have in this world, good or bad, and trust that no matter what He won't let me stray.

    Heck, even if you disagree with my views, I still love all of you and I encourage everyone to put aside our differences and just appreciate the fact that we're all running the same race with the same finish line. I think we'd all be a little better off as a whole if we took the time to personally pursue the truth ourselves--not just in the safe sanctuary of a church under a pastor who also just so happens to be another human being like ourselves, subject to bias and the like.

    It's sad that Satan has used fear and division for so long to divide us all and distract us from what really matters. It's never been about the doctrines, the works or the 'fire and brimstone' sermons. And it CERTAINLY hasn't been about the Illuminati, the conspiracy theories or the 'hidden messages' --it's been about Jesus Christ, and our walk to be as much like him as possible. After all..

    Philippians 4:6 NIV
    Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

    ...now in the meantime, I need to work on practicing some love towards those I disagree with and/or dislike too OTL

    I hope somebody found something good in my weird ramblings pFFFF
     
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  2. Gracia Singh

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    I hear you. This is one reason I try not to debate on here. It's just nuts.

    I try to focus on the good stuff, check myself, check my tone, encourage people, and avoid debate.
     
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  3. timothyu

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    Jesus taught that division was between the ways of man and the ways of God... world and Kingdom. Man teaches that division is between ourselves.

    If the coming US election was between world of man and Kingdom, the Kingdom side wouldn't even get any attention. It's been like that all along.
     
  4. Phoebe Ann

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    Pants aren't men's clothing anymore. And in Victorian times some little boys wore dresses. Abraham and John the Baptist and Paul didn't wear pants. Matbe that's why the Bible doesn't mention pants.

    Well, I like to know what other people believe even if I disagree with them.
     
  5. Job3315

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    I went through that same season, "What is the truth?!"

    And I came into the conclusion that I can't even make myself like Christ if I don't know Him. So I started pursuing to know God; His heart, His kingdom (my country). Then everything started flowing from there. If is not in my Father's heart, I don't want it in mine. I don't celebrate halloween, santa, easter bunny, etc. I just love.
     
  6. Aussie Pete

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    The obsession with "right" doctrines is a blight on the church. What we really need is a sharp conscience that warns us when we are getting onto dangerous ground. People change and grow. There are movies that I used to watch, but not now. I started to watch an Indiana Jones movie. I turned it off almost immediately. How could I have watched that before? I did, and it did not bother me. "All things are lawful, all things are not edifying". People dredge up statements Christians made decades ago and use them to discredit that Christian. Derek Prince has been condemned for some of his mistakes. The fact that he publicly acknowledge that he was wrong is not enough for the modern day Pharisee.

    Christians need to remember that the way you treat a born again Christian is the way that you are treating Christ. Correction and rebuke are necessary. That is the role of the Bible. But the way some people go about it, they are storing up judgement for themselves. The greatest is still love.
     
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    I've watched around 50 Youtube messages by John MacArthur. If you want good clear Bible teaching without all the gimmicks, then view them for yourself. After over 50 years in the faith, I am finding his ministry and welcome refresher course in what the Bible actually says, and what is most important to us.
     
  8. royal priest

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    Life can be so dizzying.
    Who is sufficient for these things? May God help us to not take off more than we can chew at any one time, and give us the strength to honor Him with those bits He does give us in any given moment.
     
  9. royal priest

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    To love Him with all that we've got, and to find our all in all in Him.
     
  10. royal priest

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    God says we are to love Him with all our heart soul mind and strength. Over and over again, we read that God is our strength and that without Him we can do nothing. He is honored when our lives are ordered according to these realities. He wants our hearts, not just our words or actions.
     
  11. royal priest

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    Because God knows His children and wants to ensure they make it to Heaven in spite of their innumerable weaknesses.
    Psalms 103:13-14
    As a father shows compassion to His children,
    so the Lord shows compassion to those who fear Him.
    For He knows our frame;
    He remembers that we are dust.
     
  12. royal priest

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    Because He has caused me to accept the revelation of His Son.
     
  13. SkyWriting

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    Sounds good.
     
  14. SoLaVeoMiDinDeia

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    How did He cause you to accept the revelation of His Son?
     
  15. theoneandonlypencil

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    2 Corinthians 1:21-22
    21 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us 22 put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.


    This paired with 1 John 2:27 would insinuate that all believers are anointed.
     
  16. royal priest

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    He gave to me the mind of Christ (His Spirit) 1 Corinthians 2:10-16
     
  17. SoLaVeoMiDinDeia

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    How come it is not paired in the bible?
     
  18. royal priest

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    Paul the Apostle touched on this in Philippians 3:12-16,
    Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. Only let us hold true to what we have attained.
     
  19. SoLaVeoMiDinDeia

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    How come Paul did not know about the anointing?
    1 John 2:27
    But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,
    and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing
    teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,
    and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
     
  20. royal priest

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    Everyone who does the will of the Father has the Spirit. And if we say we have no sin then we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
     
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