"I see no evidence in the Word that faith and repentance are gifts from God."

[Philothei]

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[SeraphimsCherub]

True Saving "Faith" Is Entirely GOD Generated through the "Operation" of His Spirit Dwelling within:circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

 

[cygnusx1]

Repentance comes from a prior change of a sinful heart , sin is the main obstacle because it is pleasurable , so Grace (not common sense) MUST precede the act of repentance , such so that it is in God's hand alone that men repent ;

2 Timothy:
“And the Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will” (2:24-26).

common sense cannot bring about self denial , we are saved by Grace or not at all.

 

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[DeaconDean]

Well, you guys can argue all you want, but in Greek class, I did learn one thing:

"Ἔχετε πίστιν θεοῦ" -Mk. 11:22 (GNT)

"Have faith in God" -Mk. 11:22 (KJV)

Actually, "πίστιν" should be rendered "the faith".

And, "θεοῦ" is in the Genetive case, so it should properly be rendered "of God".

So Mark 11:22 should read, "Have the faith of God".

Jesus here is commanding us to have the same faith as God.

Now who here does?

And who here could unless it were given to them?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Pinkman]

Well, you guys can argue all you want, but in Greek class, I did learn one thing:

"Ἔχετε πίστιν θεοῦ" -Mk. 11:22 (GNT)

"Have faith in God" -Mk. 11:22 (KJV)

Actually, "πίστιν" should be rendered "the faith".

And, "θεοῦ" is in the Genetive case, so it should properly be rendered "of God".

So Mark 11:22 should read, "Have the faith of God".

Jesus here is commanding us to have the same faith as God.

Now who here does?

And who here could unless it were given to them?

God Bless

Till all are one.

..... What I can't fathom is going to a playground with a bunch of kids who are ALL a bunch of murderors, liars, thiefs, adulterors, idolaters, fornicators, horrendous sinners, and giving them anything good at all - let alone grace.

And Calvin

"some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and accordingly, as each has been created for one or the other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death.”

Or Luther

"Even children, dying un baptized, are lost."

Unless predestined before the foundation of the earth.
And who here could unless it were given to them?