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i haz a problem...

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by brinny, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. VictorC

    VictorC Jesus - that's my final answer

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    No, most often I've seen misapplication of Scripture done from not paying attention to whom a passage addresses. This is as I mentioned the first time I posted on this thread.

    Motive implies maliciousness borne from a dedication to error. I don't think that explains the many errors we're prone to as a Body that needs to have teachers (1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 4:11), contending for the unity of the Faith (Ephesians 4:1-6, Jude 1:3).

    I have another example you might relate to more easily. Before I introduce it, I think that it is prudent to have you explain the reason for your OP. You're not understanding my posts, and maybe it stems from my not understanding what your complaint is.
     
  2. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    It's not a complaint, just sorta' thinkin' out loud. it baffles me that in a thread on GT, for Christians, that Bible verses are specifically asked to keep them from the thread started.

    Amongst Christians, aren't we to celebrate God, to edify one another, and to exhort one another through His Word?
     
  3. VictorC

    VictorC Jesus - that's my final answer

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    I'm not following you. Are you perhaps indicating that far-off tangents driven by passages of Scripture that aren't germane to the topic are just as valid as posts that try their best to converse on just the topic?

    Brinny, you know full well that isn't the topic of most of the discussion on this sub-forum. Most often, contending for unity in the faith doesn't feel edifying at the moment. No one likes having others showing them their mistakes.
     
  4. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    Bible verses meant to edify, encourage, and exhort are tangents?

    I agree about the unity. There appears to be a stark absence of it, doesn't it?

    Perhaps the question is, do we love each other as brothers and sisters in Christ? I agree that empty babblings and arguings meant to cause contention whether using Bible verses or not are not edifying and dis honor God's name.

    and perhaps the following DOES need to be a part of our "sharing" together, GT forum or not:

     
  5. VictorC

    VictorC Jesus - that's my final answer

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    The finest motives can -and do- derail the most productive conversations.

    It isn't likely to change, either. I've participated on several forums that were created with the intention -motive- of fostering unity by discussing topics we don't agree on. They all devolve into shouting matches and disparaging character assassinations, hence the rules written to govern behaviour among those redeemed from the Mosaic Covenant law. It is more than just a sad commentary on human nature.

    As I mentioned before, we simply cannot dismiss the founder's motive for creating the GT sub-forum.

    They created lots of other sub-forums to edify others with the very same congregational views - which is fine, although I don't agree with encouraging denominationalism that fractures our unity. I believe this place was created to expose various errors in hopes of fostering unity. Call it a dual-purpose forum that doesn't specialize in hopes of being something for everyone.

    I saw the personal note you left me. As you know, I don't post here very much. The reason stems from how it is prudent to discuss topics until you're certain you have enough information to determine error and cast it out. From there comes a time to leave the shouting matches with others who don't share the same goal.
     
  6. Michael Collum

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    You know how in romans?

    Paul talks about how the creation teaches everything people need to know about God even about the God head . so say we were to just like .. say .. hey .. don't post scripture .. post a picture from creation and say what this teaches you . this too would be theology .

    but as far as the thread you were talking about .. i think because people basically use the same verses to prove the exact opposite points . it may actually be more edifying in that case to just post your opinion without scripture references .
     
  7. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    hmmmmmm.....how does one post in love, removing hatred, malice, and "me me me", which is the epitome of pride, for instance posting because I know best, which is the antithesis to speaking what God intends for us to do, for we are to avoid vain babblings, and isn't that what we, as humans are prone to do, babble vainly?

    Let it rain.
     
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  8. VictorC

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    Please compare your point explaining how impossible it is to post edifying comments with your OP, which mentions the apparent disdain for posting Scripture you've observed. I'm having a hard time following you. What do you hope to accomplish?

    If you wish to see the end of human pride in action, you'll have to wait until God provides His solution.

    1 Corinthians 15
    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

    The end result is the joy we look forward to.
    The process isn't fun, though.
     
  9. brinny

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    i'm suggesting, even in GT, that it is possible to minister to one another.
     
  10. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    is it an outrageous idea?
     
  11. VictorC

    VictorC Jesus - that's my final answer

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    At which point do we need to move from rhetorical idealism to embrace what I posited as what GT is meant to be by those who created it?
     
  12. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    what is GT meant to be by those who created it?

    By the way, do you find this exchange edifying?
     
  13. VictorC

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    I posted my opinion answering this very question earlier:

    There are a lot of cubbyholes in the way CF is structured. Of course I would need an administrator or moderator to jump in here to add something beyond my speculation, but each cubbyhole seems to have its own purpose. GT seems to focus on discussing topics we don't agree on, and I offered my opinion that we can hope to resolve errors that divide the one Body Christ purchased as His own here.

    Good question.
    I found your OP interesting, and I wanted to discover what you observed when you seemed to describe the disdain others indicate when they see Scripture in a post. So far I haven't gotten to the bottom of your observation. I have to admit that the exchange hasn't built me up very much.
     
  14. brinny

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    I must agree. I don't find the exchange edifying either, brother in Christ and son of the Most High God.

    How does forgiveness and grace pan out in such a forum as GT? Is it utilized?
     
  15. VictorC

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    This answer would vary as many times as the personalities involved. I think you would like to have someone hand you something that fits every situation, but this is just beyond realistic.

    It has been fun, my sister. I hope you find the answers you're looking for.
     
  16. brinny

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    Peace, brother, i think we crossed paths a bit disjointedly, but it happens. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing.
     
  17. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    i was asking you, brother.
     
  18. VictorC

    VictorC Jesus - that's my final answer

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    I'm using the linear view. When you write a post without quoting the person you're conversing with, others can't tell who you're questioning. Sorry if it appeared I had abandoned your question. EDIT - I didn't see it in your latest post, and perhaps you had edited it while I was writing.

    However, it is a question that can be asked only so many times. I think we both consider the unity of Christian fellowship primal, and this can happen only when we've achieved the unity of the faith Ephesians 4 shows as our goal:

    11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

    The reason Christ has given us the various gifts we have is because we haven't achieved the goal of unity. But, that remains the goal. Notice that even within this passage the need to grow beyond childish ignorance to identify and reject "every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting".

    That is a part of edifying the whole Body of Christ.
    On the GT forum, we naturally tend to discuss doctrines we don't agree on.
    It is a different means to achieve the same goal we should all embark on at some point in time.

    And I mentioned before that once you've been given enough to determine an error we should reject, it becomes prudent to return to your fellowship and share what we've learned and build up the Body where it is.

    Jesus Christ isn't on the far end of an Ethernet cable. He is much closer than that.
     
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    because christians don't like the word of God:confused:
     
  20. Probably because some people pick and choose which part of YHWH's words they want to keep. Like those people who don't believe in something like hell or that Jesus was divine.
     
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