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I have this feeling I should obey this

Discussion in '"My Two Cents Worth"' started by mikeforjesus, Nov 22, 2020.

  1. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I believe that is true so I think is necessary to read God word to know if one has fully received Him truly to have surrendered everything to truly receive Him to be able to walk in His ways to really know Him that you may be alive in Him you need to do what He says is necessary to do to be able to be walking in His commandments and to know what He requires for your life to walk in His will at every moment so He said enter by the narrow gate which is to know Jesus truly who is the way the truth and the life as His words show how to have a relationship with Him to make sure you have surrendered fully to Him to be saved now.
     
  2. mikeforjesus

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    Incase I could be wrong though I didnt believe so I think it is not my job to try to influence others decision to a certain way to convince them a way is right it is up to them to choose what way they will follow to trust it if they think it is right if it is only practical way that it is right that there looks like there is no hope for some without it so I will follow the Orthodox Church and go to Catholic Church to see if what they teach is right.

    I can not find a church anyway that will practice sacraments not as required to ever be saved but to be saved upon death and daily fellowship where people are really seeking to fellowship and not harsh to those who are lost and able to encourage them and help them find the way.
     
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  3. SANTOSO

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    Beloved one, I once have thoughts like you but I was ashamed that I have not prayed and hope like the Lord. For I heard our Lord said:

    “And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren.””
    ‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:31-32‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    Simon ! Simon ! If we paraphrase, the Lord is calling us who hear !

    So let us pray for those who were lost and go astray that their faith fail not, though the devil may ask the Lord for them to sift as wheat. Let truly love them in prayers, that their faith fail not. And that when they returned to the Lord and that they may also strengthen the brethren.

    For we heard:
    “Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,”
    ‭‭I Peter‬ ‭1:22-23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    Let us not despise those who were lost and go astray by giving up on them who didn’t listen to us but let us pray and believe that we received what we prayed that they will
    come again to repentance. For we heard how Simon repented with tears and contrition after he denied the Lord three times. And we heard how Simon Peter eventually strengthened many.

    To God the Father be thanksgiving through Christ. Amen.
     
  4. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    Thankyou for your care I hope the Lord can show me Himself to trust I will seek Him but I will seek to explore churches their beliefs first and to follow church if I don’t get experience from God if people judge people and do not provide solutions to those who they think are bad to let them know what they must do to be saved and do not guide them if I don’t find another church I can grow with that encourages me and I find people do not know truth and can guide people to make them to know what they need to know and what is expected of them as a Christian to be saved.
     
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    I believe I should trust God knowing it is not true as bible says anyone who calls on the Lord can be saved if he calls when he has opportunity and person may not have been able to know truth in time he has and some are threatened with death it is not my job but I should care for others if people are worried they can join the church to see if it works but I should seek to be closer to God for my own salvation and to help others to share what I know for others to know that we are all in need to seek God for them to seek it while they can.
     
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    Beloved one, yes, there are those who are called elders and overseer but your true guide to the truth is the Holy Spirit. Beloved one, I am concerned that you may not have found true elders and overseers mentioned in the Bible, that you may have disappointments and grow to be discontent. Beloved one, listen to the counsel of the Lord, that He has sent His helper, the Holy Spirit for you, and Holy Spirit will lead to the truth that the Father and the Son has spoken. Cling to Him and be blessed.

    To God the Father be thanksgiving through Christ. Amen
     
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  7. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    I am seeking another church I sought help of one who I believe is commited to Jesus and said I would renounce any false beliefs if that will make me more effective and to find another church but she and others seem to believe you are also required to judge any people who hold belief different to them in churches that if they go to church or do religious practices not biblical and if they have religious items to judge them even though the bible does not explicitly judge them for practices and I believe it is wrong to judge them and bible would not want me to judge them I won’t. But I won’t go to Orthodox Church just because I don’t share beliefs to not be programmed to think differently to renew my mind that I may know God better to grow to be more effective to reach others
     
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    I believe I should seek another church but it does not mean I should ignore other believers but I can go to any church to seek to help others and I should learn from others too and share with others too if one is walking more according to bible to benefit
     
  9. SANTOSO

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    Beloved one,
    The New Testament word for "church" is ekklesia [ejkklhsiva], which means "the called out ones."

    While the synagogue; the synagogue is the place where Jews and Gentiles gathered for instruction and worship in the New Testament period. The Greek word synagoge [sunagwghv] means "assembly" and can refer simply to the gathering of people itself ( James 2:2 ) or to the building in which they gather ( Luke 7:5 ).

    Beloved one, consider whether you are like the Samaritan woman in John 4, that asked the Lord:

    “The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”

    Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.””
    ‭‭John‬ ‭4:19-24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    Beloved one, are you not seeking a place of worship like the Samaritan woman? The Samaritan woman said to the Lord that you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship ? What would you say where is the place of worship ? Beloved one, let us consider what our Lord said where we should worship the Father. The place of worship is in Spirit and in truth.

    Beloved one, you do not need to seek a gathering to worship the Father.

    so what is gathering for, that is called synagogue or congregation?

    This is what we have heard:
    “And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.”
    ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:24-25‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    So the place of gathering is a place to stir the love of Christ as we serve one another and do good works, that we exhort one another and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

    Beloved one, I consider that you should seek to be in the Spirit and truth, that you may worship the Father of our beloved Jesus Christ. For that is the place, where we should worship the Father.

    To God be all glory and thanksgiving through Christ. Amen.
     
  10. SANTOSO

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    Beloved one, I would like to share what Inhavr written before, that holds relevance to what you are going through, that you may be blessed.

    Dear one,
    This is what we have heard:
    He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. -John 1:11

    Dear one, didn’t you come to your own, and your own people, the christians who are in the church didn’t receive you ?

    Won’t our Lord also be hurt and broken-hearted like you ? Yes, dear one, He is.

    This is what we have heard:
    I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons. -Psalms 69:8

    Dear one, didn’t you consider those who are Christians’ brothers in Christ? I understand that you suffered being treated like stranger and alien in the church.

    For this is what we have heard:
    For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. -1 Peter 2:21
    He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. -1 Peter 2:22
    When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. -1 Peter 2:23
    He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. -1 Peter 2:24
    For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. -1 Peter 2:25

    So dear one,
    Have you considered Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you might follow His step ? Have you considered for this, that you have been called ?

    So dear one, when you suffered from the Christians in your church? Have you entrusted yourself to Christ who judges justly or do you threaten or revile in return ?

    Dear one, let us not revile in return but let us die to sin and live for righteousness.

    For this is what we have heard:
    “For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.”
    ‭‭I Peter‬ ‭2:20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    Dear one, if we believe that we have suffered for what is right, take it patiently, for it is commendable before God.

    Dear one, if we believe that we have suffered for what is wrong, we repent and come back to abide in the Father’s grace.

    Dear one, consider what apostle Paul’s desire and prayer despite what he suffered from the Jews who prosecuted him:

    Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. -Romans 10:1
    For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. -Romans 10:2
    For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. -Romans 10:3

    Dear one,in like manner, let also desire and pray for Christians who prosecuted us, that they may be saved. It is true that there are those Christians who have zeal for God but not according to knowledge of righteousness of God, for they seek to establish their own righteousness. It is true that some Christians in many churches have these transgressions.

    But let us remember what we have been told :
    Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. -Galatians 6:1
    Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. -Galatians 6:2

    “For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For each one shall bear his own load.”

    So dear one, let us identify what Christ have spoken through His holy apostle. Let us restore in a spirit of gentleness those in the church who have transgressed. Let us ask our Lord the strength to bear one another’s burdens. Let us fulfill the law of Christ by loving one another.

    Let us not deceive ourselves and let us not consider ourselves that we are something. Let us ask wisdom and understanding from the Lord, how we might rightly perceive our own work and rejoice. And pray that God grant us the strength to bear our own load.

    Dear one, you are already accepted in the Beloved, Christ when you accept as Lord and Savior. Dear one, it is not important to be remembered, included and accepted by the church that you have gone to. For we heard:

    Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. -Romans 13:8

    So dear one, we don’t owe anyone anything except to love one another in accord with what Christ have spoken.

    Dear one, let us remember what our Lord who loved us, said to us:

    Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. -John 14:23
    Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. -John 14:24

    Dear one, what greater joy and love that the Father and the Son come to us and make Their home with us, there is none like this.

    Dear one, we can’t say that they are the church and we are not. The holy church is those whom our Lord sanctify, having cleansed by the washing of water with the word. Dear one, let us be careful with our own words, lest we makes wrongful accusations against the holy church of Christ.

    For this, we heard:
    Therefore we ourselves boast about you in the churches of God for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions that you are enduring. -2 Thessalonians 1:4
    This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering' -2 Thessalonians 1:5
    since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, -2 Thessalonians 1:6
    and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels -2 Thessalonians 1:7
    in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. -2 Thessalonians 1:8

    Dear one, have you considered yourself to know God and have obeyed the gospel of Lord Jesus Christ?

    So dear one, let us humble ourselves before God, that He may give us grace. Let us refrain from all accusations, but let us follow Christ’s step, for to this we have been called.

    To God be all glory. Amen.
     
  11. mikeforjesus

    mikeforjesus Senior Member Supporter

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    Thankyou for sharing it is much encouraging but I believe I should not judge others and should trust God would not judge anyone if He has not proven without all doubts the truth and I believe if He did He would not judge those who did not know before. You are right that I should love others and not seek to revile and hope it would convince them others are Christian and really want to help them to seek to be commited to doing God will incase they are not commited to bible to encourage them to seek to know bible to do God will.
     
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    When concerned about whether we judge or others judge us. This I pray:


    Lord Jesus,
    Let me not be provoked to judge others.
    Give me strength to restrain myself, that I may not judge others.
    Through Your Power, Holy Spirit, I bind and rebuke every wicked spirit that try to provoke me to judge others in the name of Jesus Christ.
    (I bless the person who try to provoke me.)
    I do not know what make this person provoke me with what they say and do and look.
    Through Your Power, Holy Spirit, set this person free from the bondage of the enemy in the name of Jesus Christ.
    When I bless this person, I got blessings coming my way.
    I got blessings coming my way. I am inheriting blessings today or tonight.
    Amen.

    To God the Father be thanksgiving through Christ. Amen
     
  13. mikeforjesus

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    I can not be sure I can fully know the path to follow Christ and have strength to take up my cross so I think I should follow the church unless I did know. I know I could follow Catholic Church to accept it as far as I know it teaches the truth that some follow ancient fathers that some follow truth to interpret it but I will not as I can not be sure it is truth still and I believe I may find support in Orthodox Church and I can seek Catholic Church to see if it is true to confess to them. I think others may be saved already that they are following God that God would support them the same but I can’t be sure so I think to tell people to follow church
     
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    Beloved one, are you concerned about the paths to follow Christ?
    This is what we have heard:

    “This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.”
    ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:17-24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    Beloved one, are you concerned how to take up the cross. This is what we have heard:

    “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
    ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:1-11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    “Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.”
    ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:12-14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    Beloved one, don’t follow church, for the church meaning ekklessia is the called out ones but follow Christ.

    For we heard:
    Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”- John 8:13

    Beloved one, follow Christ and you will not walk in darkness but will have the light of life.

    Beloved one, the places where Christians gather together is called congregation, what we should do there. This is what we have heard:

    “And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.”
    ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:24-25‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    So wherever congregation you go, consider whether they stir up the love of Christ and good works in Christ. Do they exhort one another ? If there are not, that is not the place you should be.

    To God the Father be thanksgiving through Christ. Amen.
     
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    Thankyou for your kindness to want to help but I have not been able to have assurance that I know the path to salvation to know I am living in it or what to do to be saved. I believe the Orthodox Church does I believe know it has duty to prepare people though sometimes some priests do not take seriously if others are not taking seriously but there are always others and churches that are seeking to. I have not found another church that is able to give me assurance and to know the way and that seeks to fellowship to help so I have not gone to another church. I am not sure I will believe that I am following to have assurance to know the way and feel strengthened so if I don’t find I can I don’t know if I should go to another church but if I find one and I feel I know Christ and way I would like to follow it.
     
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    Beloved one, why you are unassured the path to salvation? What makes you unassured that you are not living in the paths to salvation? What makes not to know how to be saved ?
    What preparation you are concerned about? What kind of fellowship you seek ?
     
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    I see I am always being attacked about my faith maybe it is because I am lazy but I can not know so I am not sure to trust others and I think I should join the church that it is not my responsibility to defend the faith to others but leave that to God if He wants by Himself or if He will act by use of others or myself if I know Him to seek Him and am close to Him and let others to choose for themselves if they will follow bible or church. I will therefore seek to go to orthodox church and go to catholic church if it can prove the truth to any but if it can not prove truth to any I do not think it fair to require it so I will not trust it
     
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    I believe now I should not let what I think others attacks on faith discourage me and I believe it is right to trust only bible as He said only He is teacher. We only know His way is the truth because Jesus said unless you receive the kingdom as little child you can not enter it that is you can not earn it. He is the one who makes you righteous only He teaches you to follow Him who puts His righteousness in you as you seek to surrender to Him. Only He knows if others are saved you should leave them for Him to decide. Also church judges some as unworthy so it is better reason only to trust only Him and even still Jesus requires full righteousness so we can’t know if you can be saved otherwise as you can not trust in doing anything but putting your trust in Him to save you if you can not do anything else. It is up to God to decide if others are saved not us then you can have hope to be saved and if ready to be raptured if there is one.
     
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    I know God is just and I should not support divisions I know God won’t judge people who do not know the truth who can’t know church is false I do not judge those who think they need to avoid people if they think their purpose is to mislead them but I believe I am able to judge rightly and bible supports this it says do not despise prophecies test all things and hold fast what is true it is only my responsibility to do so not to accept what is false and I think I should listen to others who speak about what the journey would include to follow Jesus if they followed Him which they explain from bible to help people to know if they are following Him.
     
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