I have discovered what lies on the outside of spacetime

[HARK!]

We do not know if the universe has an end it might be flat or it might be in the shape of a donut.

Observable universe - Wikipedia

 

[HARK!]

It would be turned upside down because they would possess all the gravity in/of the universe at once.

This notion fails, as the universe already possesses all of the gravity in the universe at once, yet it continues to expand.

In order for that momentum to be reversed, there would have to be a greater opposing force. You have not identified this greater opposing force, nor have you accounted for unrecoverable heat.

 

[Landon Caeli]

This notion fails, as the universe already possesses all of the gravity in the universe at once, yet it continues to expand.

In order for that momentum to be reversed, there would have to be a greater opposing force. You have not identified this greater opposing force, nor have you accounted for unrecoverable heat.

...But the gravity is spread out too thickly at this point in time. The sum of the pressure on black holes increases as it becomes both larger and alone. It's 2X.. The mathematical factor doesn't count for this reaction that takes place when dust no longer exists.

...The possibility simply hasn't crossed their mind, and so it was left out of the equations.

 

[Simon D]

Observable universe - Wikipedia

The observable universe is not the whole universe.

 

[HARK!]

...But the gravity is spread out too thickly at this point in time. The sum of the pressure on black holes increases as it becomes both larger and alone. The mathematical factor doesn't count for this reaction that takes place when dust no longer exists.

The gravity of the matter in the universe is spread out; and the vast majority of it, continues to spread farther out. There are a relatively few pockets, we call black holes, where matter is being accumulated; but the vast majority of all matter and energy is moving away from these black holes.

Try looking at it this simplified analogy. If you build a campfire and puts some rocks around it, those rocks will capture and store some of the heat; but most of the heat of that fire will rise up into space. When the fire goes out, the heat that went into space wont come back to the rocks.

 

[Landon Caeli]

The gravity of the matter in the universe is spread out; and the vast majority of it, continues to spread farther out. There are a relatively few pockets, we call black holes, where matter is being accumulated; but the vast majority of all matter and energy is moving away from these black holes.

Try looking at it this simplified analogy. If you build a campfire and puts some rocks around it, those rocks will capture and store some of the heat; but most of the heat of that fire will rise up into space. When the fire goes out, the heat that went into space wont come back to the rocks.

But isn't it true that our sun, and our entire galaxy will one day be consumed by our black hole?

 

[HARK!]

The observable universe is not the whole universe.

I think I see what you're getting at; for example, just because I haven't actually seen a rainbow unicorn, doesn't mean that they don't actually exist.

I'll just stick with the empirical evidence for now.

Let's keep it real.

 

[HARK!]

But isn't it true that our sun, and our entire galaxy will one day be consumed by our black hole?

Most of the radiant energy from our sun, leaves our solar system, never to return. This happens as the sun loses mass. When the sun loses mass, its' gravity is diminished. Now, if a photon's momentum can escape the sun's gravity at the sun's peak gravity; why would the momentum of that photon reverse and move toward the sun's state of diminished gravity?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Most of the radiant energy from our sun, leaves our solar system, never to return. This happens as the sun loses mass. When the sun loses mass, its' gravity is diminished. Now, if a photon's momentum can escape the sun's gravity at the sun's peak gravity; why would the momentum of that photon reverse and move toward the sun's state of diminished gravity?

It wouldn't because of it's momentum. But large objects, like earth, will gradually become consumed by the black hole. We can't forget that planets, solar systems and galaxies all did form, even as spacetime constantly expands... So we know it happens.

 

[Simon D]

I think I see what you're getting at; for example, just because I haven't actually seen a rainbow unicorn, doesn't mean that they don't actually exist.

I'll just stick with the empirical evidence for now.

Let's keep it real.

No you don't see what I'm getting at. The universe is estimated at about 14 billion years old, the universe is expanding (possibly at the speed of light). There is a limit to how fast light can travel so most of the universe light isn't able to reach us so we can't see it. We need to use mathematical equations and inferences to guess the shape of the universe.

The shape of the observable universe is a ball because light speed is a constant, so what we can see reaches us from all directions, but that's got nothing to do with it's shape.

It's a bit like a ship in the ocean, we can see the ocean but that does not mean that the ocean is circular because we cannot see the shore.

 

[HARK!]

It wouldn't because of it's momentum. But large objects, like earth, will gradually become consumed by the black hole. We can't forget that planets, solar systems and galaxies all did form, even as spacetime constantly expands... So we know it happens.

Either you aren't directly responding to the question; or you are working on the presumption that the sun will eventually become a black hole.

What we know, is that there are small pockets of concentrations (planets, stars, black holes,) within a greater dilution of plasma (the expanding universe). You assume that that the earth will eventually be consumed by the sun; but it could just as easily move in the opposite direction, as the sun loses mass. The earth could be cast out of our solar system, easily being thrown clear of any black holes.

As all motion ceases at absolute zero; and matter is dependent on motion to exist; and that inefficiencies in this motion are dissipated as heat; and that heat is radiated in all directions; the earth would eventually be reduced to unrecoverable heat, dispersed over infinite space, with a temperature that harmonically approaches absolute zero, over infinite time.

 

[HARK!]

No you don't see what I'm getting at. The universe is estimated at about 14 billion years old, the universe is expanding (possibly at the speed of light). There is a limit to how fast light can travel so most of the universe light isn't able to reach us so we can't see it. We need to use mathematical equations and inferences to guess the shape of the universe.

The shape of the observable universe is a ball because light speed is a constant, so what we can see reaches us from all directions, but that's got nothing to do with it's shape.

It's a bit like a ship in the ocean, we can see the ocean but that does not mean that the ocean is circular because we cannot see the shore.

Radiant energy propagates in all directions. This is observable. Why would you suppose that this basic principle of physics wouldn't apply to what has not been observed?

 

[Simon D]

Radiant energy propagates in all directions. This is observable. Why would you suppose that this basic principle of physics wouldn't apply to what has not been observed?

I didn't say that, I said that you can't see it (just like how you can't see the shore when you are somewhere in the ocean).

 

[HARK!]

I didn't say that, I said that you can't see it (just like how you can't see the shore when you are somewhere in the ocean).

What I don't assume, when I'm out in the ocean, is that the Inverse Square Law has ceased to apply on shore.

 

[Simon D]

What I don't assume, when I'm out in the ocean, is that the Inverse Square Law has ceased to apply on shore.

You've lost me mate and I don't think I want to be found right now

 

[HARK!]

You've lost me mate and I don't think I want to be found right now

Electromagnetic radiation propagates equally in all directions from its' origin. In other words, it creates a sphere, in absence of any impedance.

 

[Simon D]

Electromagnetic radiation propagates equally in all directions from its' origin. In other words, it creates a sphere, in absence of any impedance.

OK I'll try one more time but I don't know why.

When you are in an ocean the ocean looks the shape of a circle, but we know from a map that it has a different shape. The reason for this is because we cannot see the whole of the ocean.

So it is when we look at the universe, the observable universe is a fraction of the whole universe.

 

[HARK!]

OK I'll try one more time but I don't know why.

When you are in an ocean the ocean looks the shape of a circle, but we know from a map that it has a different shape. The reason for this is because we cannot see the whole of the ocean.

So it is when we look at the universe, the observable universe is a fraction of the whole universe.

I'll try one more time.

Do you believe that the laws of physics behave differently in different parts of the universe; or do you believe that the laws of physics are universal?

I can't see what's going on in China; but I trust that the light coming off of their light bulbs moves in all directions, just like mine.

 

[Simon D]

I'll try one more time.

Do you believe that the laws of physics behave differently in different parts of the universe; or do you believe that the laws of physics are universal?
Yes I believe that the laws are universal. It's because of this that I know that the shape of the observable universe is different to the shape of the whole universe.
I can't see what's going on in China; but I trust that the light coming off of their light bulbs moves in all directions, just like mine.

Yes I believe the laws are universal.

It's because of this that I know that the shape of the observable universe is different to the shape of the whole universe.

 

[HARK!]

Yes I believe the laws are universal.

It's because of this that I know that the shape of the observable universe is different to the shape of the whole universe.

The shape of the observable universe is a sphere. EMR moves in all directions at equal speed in a vacuum. Based on these physical principals, how could you come to any other conclusion then that the whole universe is spherical?