I Guess you no longer have to be born again :/

[sunlover1]

 

[thecolorsblend]

It's actually a good answer from a pastoral standpoint.

And in reality, we don't actually know the condition of his heart. His son believed he was an atheist... but an atheist who baptizes all four of his children certainly makes for an interesting "atheist".

 

[MDC]

Why should this surprise you?

 

[sunlover1]

It's actually a good answer from a pastoral standpoint.

Telling the entire world that you can be "good" and now that's the same
as faith in Jesus?
Pretty much spitting at the cross TCB!
If that were me, and that little guy wanted some peace,
I wouldn't have lied to him.
I sure wouldn't tell him his dads in hell, because as you
say, we can't know.
But what this guy said was wrong and the entire audience
was enthralled by his "loving" response???
Not loving to give people false hope, now they think
our God is wishy washy and how will they repent?
IMO

And in reality, we don't actually know the condition of his heart. His son believed he was an atheist... but an atheist who baptizes all four of his children certainly makes for an interesting "atheist".

If an atheist he probably 'allowed' his wife to baptise them
Either way JESUS is the only way.. not being a good atheist.

IMO anyhow.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Telling the entire world that you can be "good" and now that's the same
as faith in Jesus?

The Holy Father was asked a question by a boy suffering a lot of pain and grief about the disposition of somebody's soul when he can't possibly speak authoritatively to it. Considering the balancing act he had to do, I think he did a good job.

Pretty much spitting at the cross TCB!

If you say so.

If that were me, and that little guy wanted some peace,
I wouldn't have lied to him.
I sure wouldn't tell him his dads in hell, because as you
say, we can't know.
But what this guy said was wrong and the entire audience
was enthralled by his "loving" response???

You've had time to consider the matter in the comfort of wherever you are without the international media and your separated brethren in Christ second-guessing your every word.

If you ever find yourself in a position where you're a spiritual authority for others under the same scrutiny as the Pope, I hope the rest of the world is nicer to you than you're being to Francis.

If an atheist he probably 'allowed' his wife to baptise them

He could have taken active measures to stop the baptisms from taking place. There's no indication based on what we know that he even tried.

Either way JESUS is the only way.. not being a good atheist.

Quite true. Our Lord saves. How He saves and whom He saves isn't for us to judge. But the Church allows for the possibility that someone with invincible ignorance could be saved. And if they're saved, they're still being saved by Our Lord and His sacrifice. Nothing in the Pope's answer disputes any of that.

 

[straykat]

If Catholics didn't have so much indifferentism in their leadership and V2, I might've become one long ago. My sympathies though. I love a lot about Catholicism.

 

[royal priest]

Surely, it is a difficult thing to answer one mourning over the passing of a loved one who was an unbeliever. Of course be tactful, and sympathetic. Eek out what legitimate hope there may be, but one thing we must never do is compromise the truth.

 

[sunlover1]

The Holy Father was asked a question by a boy suffering a lot of pain and grief about the disposition of somebody's soul when he can't possibly speak authoritatively to it. Considering the balancing act he had to do, I think he did a good job.

I agree it was horrible position to be in.
He's old and I can see how ppl could do
what he did. I'm sure millions would do same.

If you say so.

Pope basically said Jesus
isn't the only way.

You've had time to consider the matter in the comfort of wherever you are without the international media and your separated brethren in Christ second-guessing your every word

.
I never said i can't forgive that pope for making a mistake.
i'm just saying that he DID make a mistake, and it's a dandy.

If you ever find yourself in a position where you're a spiritual authority for others under the same scrutiny as the Pope, I hope the rest of the world is nicer to you than you're being to Francis.

Love rejoices in truth
1 Corinthians 13:6b
I'm not being mean.

Quite true. Our Lord saves. How He saves and whom He saves isn't for us to judge. But the Church allows for the possibility that someone with invincible ignorance could be saved. And if they're saved, they're still being saved by Our Lord and His sacrifice. Nothing in the Pope's answer disputes any of that.

I guess we just have different views of the enormity of what Christ did for us.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Pope basically said Jesus
isn't the only way.

He said nothing of the sort and isn't permitted to deny Our Lord's exclusive role in salvation.

What he implied, and what the Church has admitted could be a possibility, is that an explicit faith in Our Lord might not be necessary for some people to go to Heaven under certain circumstances.

However, it must be said that IF this is possible, Our Lord is still the Savior. Salvation comes by Him or else salvation does not come at all.

It looks like you're conflating Our Lord's role as the only savior we have with the necessity of placing faith in Him as is the normative means of salvation for most people in most places most of the time. If salvation can be had without knowingly placing faith in Our Lord, it doesn't change the fact that Our Lord is the only savior.

I guess we just have different views of the enormity of what Christ did for us.

I don't think we do. I could be wrong but my hunch is that you probably agree that Our Lord is the only way to salvation, nobody comes to the Father but by Him.

However, it looks like you believe an explicit faith in Him is necessary for salvation and my Church thinks there might be cases when it's not necessarily that simple.

 

[sunlover1]

He said nothing of the sort and isn't permitted to deny Our Lord's exclusive role in salvation.

What he implied, and what the Church has admitted could be a possibility, is that an explicit faith in Our Lord might not be necessary for some people to go to Heaven under certain circumstances.

However, it must be said that IF this is possible, Our Lord is still the Savior. Salvation comes by Him or else salvation does not come at all.

It looks like you're conflating Our Lord's role as the only savior we have with the necessity of placing faith in Him as is the normative means of salvation for most people in most places most of the time. If salvation can be had without knowingly placing faith in Our Lord, it doesn't change the fact that Our Lord is the only savior.

I don't think we do. I could be wrong but my hunch is that you probably agree that Our Lord is the only way to salvation, nobody comes to the Father but by Him.

However, it looks like you believe an explicit faith in Him is necessary for salvation and my Church thinks there might be cases when it's not necessarily that simple.

I obviously can only share my opinion.
And i'm not that conservative, but there's no other name under
heaven by which men can be saved. No one comes to the father
but by Him, and BELIEVE ON the Lord Jesus Christ and tho shalt
be saved.
So...
‍

 

[thecolorsblend]

I obviously can only share my opinion.
And i'm not that conservative, but there's no other name under
heaven by which men can be saved. No one comes to the father
but by Him, and BELIEVE ON the Lord Jesus Christ and tho shalt
be saved.

Good, let me know when you disagree with me then.

 

[sunlover1]

Good, let me know when you disagree with me then.

I'm positive we disagree on many things, but that's allowed.
We're two different people.
We're good.
Im not trying to hate on the pope.
Just sharing my views
My tone is gentle. I just get lazy about
using emojis and other means to portray
that tone.
Sorry.
I am kind of tired today and plus drank some
juicy New england style IPA oh mama
Going to enjoy this as beer probably wont
be included in my new healthy eating
program i'm starting tomorrow lol

 

[thecolorsblend]

I'm positive we disagree on many things, but that's allowed.
We're two different people.
We're good.
Im not trying to hate on the pope.
Just sharing my views
My tone is gentle. I just get lazy about
using emojis and other means to portray
that tone.
Sorry.
I am kind of tired today and plus drank some
juicy New england style IPA oh mama
Going to enjoy this as beer probably wont
be included in my new healthy eating
program i'm starting tomorrow lol

I may have some good medicine for you then.

As candy goes, these are pretty tasty. I wouldn't want to eat one of these every day (although that's any candy, really) but these are pretty decent.

 

[tisma bowens]

We must do all these things before becoming a Christian
Hear: Acts 15:1-7
Believe: Acts 15:1-7
Repent: Luke 13:3-5
Confess: Matthew 10:32-33
Be Baptized: Acts 2:38

 

[sunlover1]

I may have some good medicine for you then.

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As candy goes, these are pretty tasty. I wouldn't want to eat one of these every day (although that's any candy, really) but these are pretty decent.

Yum!
I love that.
Will definitely try them
thanks for the recommendation.
My favorite snack lately, which i
recommend you try if you
haven't, is bruschetta YUM lol

 

[sunlover1]

We must do all these things before becoming a Christian
Hear: Acts 15:1-7
Believe: Acts 15:1-7
Repent: Luke 13:3-5
Confess: Matthew 10:32-33
Be Baptized: Acts 2:38

Thank you.