I get the impression that American (Evangelical) Christians are supporting Trump, but why?

[Elfkind]

I've been following the political situation in USA closely and it's been saddening for me to hear about how "evangelical Christians" (whatever that means) are part of the Trump-"base", and seen clips from churches in USA where people seem to be very eager to pray for Trump, despite how generally in the rest of the world Trump is being viewed as a person (to use the words that is commonly used) that lies and have no shame, have tendencies that lean toward authoritarianism, is xenophobic and really racist, rude and vulgar, creates fear, surround himself with only yes-men etc. etc. and have developed (again a word that is commonly used) a sort of cult where people no longer understand reality and believe that when Trump tell them lies then this is the truth. And basically this is the view I got too, I honestly don't understand a thing about why anyone would support such a man, and the last 4 years seem to have brought out the very worst in people living in America, have created doubt in NATO and other alliances of whether or not USA is still supporting these alliances, if they will come to the aid of democracies around the world in case of conflicts, since how he's talking about and dealing with dictators suggest to me that he's a really dangerous man, and this is something I've found explained to be true in every single book I've read, and I've read all the books of all the people that have had something to tell from the inside situation in the white house. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies talk about how white supremacy is gaining strength and how right-wing politics now is the NR.1 source of terror-attacks in USA, and the rule of law have caused a lot of those that work for Trump to end up in jail. Generals talk with worry about the current administration. Specially lately how Trump and Giuliani have spread claims of voter fraud and refuse to concede to Joe Biden, the winner of the election, and now also how people have been placed in the pentagon, and there's serious talk of a coup d'état, and that USA is very vulnerable. All around the world leaders have congratulated president-elect Biden, and where I live share jokes about Trump and talk with disbelief about this political figure, and I don't seem to be alone at all to totally failing to understand how it is that he have gotten such an enormous support, and I'm also honestly worried, since I have friends in USA and I worry how they are doing, since it's become a political issue to wear a face-mask and it's really surreal to me to see how people are cheering for a political figure that refuses to do anything to stop the virus, but just let people die, and the number is getting close to a quarter of a million, and still many people think it's a hoax.

The very worst thing for me though is that it is really saddening for me how infiltrated the churches in USA seem to have become by the Republican Party, and that when people talk with disgust about the Trump-administration, they seem to blame Christians (evangelical's - whatever that refer to) and thus blaspheme God, since they look at Christians as hypocrites that might talk of good things, but by supporting Trump are doing something evil. So I've honestly feared the end of days and really think that Trump is making the way for the Anti-Christ. And this make me fear the largest Christian community in the world, and I become confused, and I really feel that my faith is being damaged because I don't want anything at all to do with the type of politics that Trump seem to be about, clearly very far right-wing populism, since I don't see anything good, nothing constructive, and nothing that have anything to do with Christianity in this.

I want to make it very clear that I mean nothing offensive at all by this post. This is extra important for me to make clear, since I had a warning and someone reported me and I was punished with 1 point, and if I get 3 points I'll get banned from CF, and I want to stay here and specially in the prayer section, it's important for me and I need Jesus to remain strong, and perhaps others need me too.

Also I mean nothing offensive toward USA or in general I don't mean anything rude or to be bad, but the main point about this post is to ask and try to understand why Christians would support something that I look at as really un-Christian, something that make people afraid, sad and filled with hopelessness? If you understand me, then I'll do my best to try to understand you. I can only point to how extreme the joy from those that celebrated when Biden/Harris won, and personally I had a bottle of wine to celebrate, it really made me happy, since I really do hope that America can live up to the great expectations the whole world have.

It really is as if I look at a really foreign culture, and I don't understand why people say and do what they say and do with USA and Trump. I hope someone can explain this with simple English and common sense arguments.

Thanks for reading this, and I wish a good weekend for you all, and may God bless you and yours.

 

[98cwitr]

I could write a lot about this, but I want to boil it down as I don't have much time today: They hold to conservative ideologies and see liberalism and socialism as a complete affront to American values (not to mention conservative Christian theological ideals). Therefore, they see Trump as the roadblock for the implementation of socialism in America. They also are very passionate about gun rights and are anti-abortion; two things the other side is for. Trump gave America the best economy she has ever seen. There was prosperity again and evangelicals saw this as a gift from God (see Romans 13).

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Law enforcement and intelligence agencies talk about how white supremacy is gaining strength and how right-wing politics now is the NR.1 source of terror-attacks in USA

This is nothing but media propaganda (I am simply amazed that people buy this with all the video evidence of the rioting in America), which came from the FBI director (who is very anti-GOP). We're watching our cities being burned, business looted, people dragged from their cars and being beated (sometimes to death) and rioting and it's not coming from right-wing groups.

it's really surreal to me to see how people are cheering for a political figure that refuses to do anything to stop the virus

Because they feel it's not the government's job to dictate healthcare, but the healthcare industry's job to provide care for those who need it. They seem to be predominately opposed to the shutdowns, mask mandates, and government handling of the pandemic in general (ie: Cuomo and Whittmer sending sick patients into nursing homes which subsequently killed thousands of the elderly).

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I've been following the political situation in USA closely and it's been saddening for me to hear about how "evangelical Christians" (whatever that means) are part of the Trump-"base", and seen clips from churches in USA where people seem to be very eager to pray for Trump, despite how generally in the rest of the world Trump is being viewed as a person (to use the words that is commonly used) that lies and have no shame, have tendencies that lean toward authoritarianism, is xenophobic and really racist, rude and vulgar, creates fear, surround himself with only yes-men etc. etc. and have developed (again a word that is commonly used) a sort of cult where people no longer understand reality and believe that when Trump tell them lies then this is the truth. And basically this is the view I got too, I honestly don't understand a thing about why anyone would support such a man, and the last 4 years seem to have brought out the very worst in people living in America, have created doubt in NATO and other alliances of whether or not USA is still supporting these alliances, if they will come to the aid of democracies around the world in case of conflicts, since how he's talking about and dealing with dictators suggest to me that he's a really dangerous man, and this is something I've found explained to be true in every single book I've read, and I've read all the books of all the people that have had something to tell from the inside situation in the white house. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies talk about how white supremacy is gaining strength and how right-wing politics now is the NR.1 source of terror-attacks in USA, and the rule of law have caused a lot of those that work for Trump to end up in jail. Generals talk with worry about the current administration. Specially lately how Trump and Giuliani have spread claims of voter fraud and refuse to concede to Joe Biden, the winner of the election, and now also how people have been placed in the pentagon, and there's serious talk of a coup d'état, and that USA is very vulnerable. All around the world leaders have congratulated president-elect Biden, and where I live share jokes about Trump and talk with disbelief about this political figure, and I don't seem to be alone at all to totally failing to understand how it is that he have gotten such an enormous support, and I'm also honestly worried, since I have friends in USA and I worry how they are doing, since it's become a political issue to wear a face-mask and it's really surreal to me to see how people are cheering for a political figure that refuses to do anything to stop the virus, but just let people die, and the number is getting close to a quarter of a million, and still many people think it's a hoax.

The very worst thing for me though is that it is really saddening for me how infiltrated the churches in USA seem to have become by the Republican Party, and that when people talk with disgust about the Trump-administration, they seem to blame Christians (evangelical's - whatever that refer to) and thus blaspheme God, since they look at Christians as hypocrites that might talk of good things, but by supporting Trump are doing something evil. So I've honestly feared the end of days and really think that Trump is making the way for the Anti-Christ. And this make me fear the largest Christian community in the world, and I become confused, and I really feel that my faith is being damaged because I don't want anything at all to do with the type of politics that Trump seem to be about, clearly very far right-wing populism, since I don't see anything good, nothing constructive, and nothing that have anything to do with Christianity in this.

I want to make it very clear that I mean nothing offensive at all by this post. This is extra important for me to make clear, since I had a warning and someone reported me and I was punished with 1 point, and if I get 3 points I'll get banned from CF, and I want to stay here and specially in the prayer section, it's important for me and I need Jesus to remain strong, and perhaps others need me too.

Also I mean nothing offensive toward USA or in general I don't mean anything rude or to be bad, but the main point about this post is to ask and try to understand why Christians would support something that I look at as really un-Christian, something that make people afraid, sad and filled with hopelessness? If you understand me, then I'll do my best to try to understand you. I can only point to how extreme the joy from those that celebrated when Biden/Harris won, and personally I had a bottle of wine to celebrate, it really made me happy, since I really do hope that America can live up to the great expectations the whole world have.

It really is as if I look at a really foreign culture, and I don't understand why people say and do what they say and do with USA and Trump. I hope someone can explain this with simple English and common sense arguments.

Thanks for reading this, and I wish a good weekend for you all, and may God bless you and yours.

Not all Evangelicals:
Evangelicals For Biden

And most certainly not all Christians, by any means. I'd say most Christians are against Trump.

 

[Speedwell]

I could write a lot about this, but I want to boil it down as I don't have much time today: They hold to conservative ideologies and see liberalism and socialism as a complete affront to American values (not to mention conservative Christian theological ideals). Therefore, they see Trump as the roadblock for the implementation of socialism in America. They also are very passionate about gun rights and are anti-abortion; two things the other side is for. Trump gave America the best economy she has ever seen. There was prosperity again and evangelicals saw this as a gift from God (see Romans 13).



This is nothing but media propaganda (I am simply amazed that people buy this with all the video evidence of the rioting in America), which came from the FBI director (who is very anti-GOP). We're watching our cities being burned, business looted, people dragged from their cars and being beated (sometimes to death) and rioting and it's not coming from right-wing groups.

That's a pretty good general description of what Trump's Christian supporters believe, but it doesn't really answer the OP question.

 

[Arc F1]

I've been following the political situation in USA closely and it's been saddening for me to hear about how "evangelical Christians" (whatever that means) are part of the Trump-"base", and seen clips from churches in USA where people seem to be very eager to pray for Trump, despite how generally in the rest of the world Trump is being viewed as a person (to use the words that is commonly used) that lies and have no shame, have tendencies that lean toward authoritarianism, is xenophobic and really racist, rude and vulgar, creates fear, surround himself with only yes-men etc. etc. and have developed (again a word that is commonly used) a sort of cult where people no longer understand reality and believe that when Trump tell them lies then this is the truth. And basically this is the view I got too, I honestly don't understand a thing about why anyone would support such a man, and the last 4 years seem to have brought out the very worst in people living in America, have created doubt in NATO and other alliances of whether or not USA is still supporting these alliances, if they will come to the aid of democracies around the world in case of conflicts, since how he's talking about and dealing with dictators suggest to me that he's a really dangerous man, and this is something I've found explained to be true in every single book I've read, and I've read all the books of all the people that have had something to tell from the inside situation in the white house. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies talk about how white supremacy is gaining strength and how right-wing politics now is the NR.1 source of terror-attacks in USA, and the rule of law have caused a lot of those that work for Trump to end up in jail. Generals talk with worry about the current administration. Specially lately how Trump and Giuliani have spread claims of voter fraud and refuse to concede to Joe Biden, the winner of the election, and now also how people have been placed in the pentagon, and there's serious talk of a coup d'état, and that USA is very vulnerable. All around the world leaders have congratulated president-elect Biden, and where I live share jokes about Trump and talk with disbelief about this political figure, and I don't seem to be alone at all to totally failing to understand how it is that he have gotten such an enormous support, and I'm also honestly worried, since I have friends in USA and I worry how they are doing, since it's become a political issue to wear a face-mask and it's really surreal to me to see how people are cheering for a political figure that refuses to do anything to stop the virus, but just let people die, and the number is getting close to a quarter of a million, and still many people think it's a hoax.

The very worst thing for me though is that it is really saddening for me how infiltrated the churches in USA seem to have become by the Republican Party, and that when people talk with disgust about the Trump-administration, they seem to blame Christians (evangelical's - whatever that refer to) and thus blaspheme God, since they look at Christians as hypocrites that might talk of good things, but by supporting Trump are doing something evil. So I've honestly feared the end of days and really think that Trump is making the way for the Anti-Christ. And this make me fear the largest Christian community in the world, and I become confused, and I really feel that my faith is being damaged because I don't want anything at all to do with the type of politics that Trump seem to be about, clearly very far right-wing populism, since I don't see anything good, nothing constructive, and nothing that have anything to do with Christianity in this.

I want to make it very clear that I mean nothing offensive at all by this post. This is extra important for me to make clear, since I had a warning and someone reported me and I was punished with 1 point, and if I get 3 points I'll get banned from CF, and I want to stay here and specially in the prayer section, it's important for me and I need Jesus to remain strong, and perhaps others need me too.

Also I mean nothing offensive toward USA or in general I don't mean anything rude or to be bad, but the main point about this post is to ask and try to understand why Christians would support something that I look at as really un-Christian, something that make people afraid, sad and filled with hopelessness? If you understand me, then I'll do my best to try to understand you. I can only point to how extreme the joy from those that celebrated when Biden/Harris won, and personally I had a bottle of wine to celebrate, it really made me happy, since I really do hope that America can live up to the great expectations the whole world have.

It really is as if I look at a really foreign culture, and I don't understand why people say and do what they say and do with USA and Trump. I hope someone can explain this with simple English and common sense arguments.

Thanks for reading this, and I wish a good weekend for you all, and may God bless you and yours.

What if the media was wrong and he wasn't a racist nazi Supreme? Would you believe it?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I could write a lot about this, but I want to boil it down as I don't have much time today: They hold to conservative ideologies and see liberalism and socialism as a complete affront to American values (not to mention conservative Christian theological ideals).

That bolded part of your statement is not true. Evangelicals are not theologically conservative, they are theologically LIBERAL. They are the ones with female clergy, speaking in tongues and other radical acts, eschewing of Church traditions, etc. Typically, the more theologically conservative one is the more politically liberal they would be because they take seriously God's commandments to serve their fellow man and that what we do to the Least of these we are doing to God Himself.

If you come to my Church which is not Evangelical you will not see a female clergyperson, you will not see the sacraments being tossed aside or called "ordinances", you will not see people running around "speaking in tongues" (i.e. speaking gibberish in no order), running around on stage, with a Rock and Roll band up on a stage rocking out, etc. In my Church you will see and hear the Liturgy, a choir with an organ accompaniment singing pslams and hymns and spiritual songs, male clergy as God's Word instructs, order instead of chaos, etc.

Granted that not ALL Evangelicals are chaotic in their services but a great many are - just see Paula White, Trump's top "spiritual adviser" from his panel of Evangelicals, and you'll see the kind of liberalism in the theology where she is a female "minister" who speaks in tongues while people run about chaotically, no interpreters, no order, etc. You will not see that in a theologically conservative Church.

 

[Albion]

I've been following the political situation in USA closely and it's been saddening for me to hear about how "evangelical Christians" (whatever that means) are part of the Trump-"base", and seen clips from churches in USA where people seem to be very eager to pray for Trump....

This has been asked and answered a number of times here on CF. These Christians have welcomed the President's actions on behalf of freedom of religion, his willingness to personally associate himself with the Christian religion, and of course his opposition to 'abortion on demand' and of the federal government promoting organizations which engage in that.

Given all of this, it would be amazing if these Christians were NOT supportive, especially following years of the pendulum having swung the other way in the USA.

 

[98cwitr]

That bolded part of your statement is not true. Evangelicals are not theologically conservative, they are theologically LIBERAL. They are the ones with female clergy, speaking in tongues and other radical acts, eschewing of Church traditions, etc. Typically, the more theologically conservative one is the more politically liberal they would be because they take seriously God's commandments to serve their fellow man and that what we do to the Least of these we are doing to God Himself.

If you come to my Church which is not Evangelical you will not see a female clergyperson, you will not see the sacraments being tossed aside or called "ordinances", you will not see people running around "speaking in tongues" (i.e. speaking gibberish in no order), running around on stage, with a Rock and Roll band up on a stage rocking out, etc. In my Church you will see and hear the Liturgy, a choir with an organ accompaniment singing pslams and hymns and spiritual songs, male clergy as God's Word instructs, order instead of chaos, etc.

Granted that not ALL Evangelicals are chaotic in their services but a great many are - just see Paula White, Trump's top "spiritual adviser" from his panel of Evangelicals, and you'll see the kind of liberalism in the theology where she is a female "minister" who speaks in tongues while people run about chaotically, no interpreters, no order, etc. You will not see that in a theologically conservative Church.

The 1st and 2nd century Church had women clergy. I am failing to see how I said something that wasn't true: The Neglected History of Women in the Early Church | Christian History Magazine

 

[Arc F1]

Not all Evangelicals:
Evangelicals For Biden

And most certainly not all Christians, by any means. I'd say most Christians are against Trump.

Those are the ones who no longer believe scripture is relevant. I think they sit in church and believe what they are taught without reading the Bible.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Those are the ones who no longer believe scripture is relevant. I think they sit in church and believe what they are taught without reading the Bible.

No you have it backwards. The Evangelical Christians who support Trump no longer believe scripture is relevant, hence the "prophecies", "speaking in tongues", the female clergy, the services with no order but just chaotic... Those things are directly against what the Bible says, they are the ones who believe what Paula White says instead of the Bible.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

The 1st and 2nd century Church had women clergy. I am failing to see how I said something that wasn't true: The Neglected History of Women in the Early Church | Christian History Magazine

Well leave it to someone with a liberal theology to quote a source that is liberal in its theology. There were no female clergy in the Early Church. There were Church Fathers, no Church Mothers. The Lord made it clear that as Christ is the Head of the Church, so too is man the head of woman. St. Paul made clear that a woman not usurp the role of a man in Church by speaking over men.

But liberal theology rationalizes away these Truths from God's Word.

And that's fine - if you want to believe that go right ahead, along with Evangelical Christianity. But is a LIBERAL theological view, not a CONSERVATIVE Theological view. Just be honest with yourself and others that it is liberal theology which goes along with Trump-support.

 

[Arc F1]

No you have it backwards. The Evangelical Christians who support Trump no longer believe scripture is relevant, hence the "prophecies", "speaking in tongues", the female clergy, the services with no order but just chaotic... Those things are directly against what the Bible says, they are the ones who believe what Paula White says instead of the Bible.

I back Trump. I don't buy into any of that.

 

[Albion]

The 1st and 2nd century Church had women clergy. I am failing to see how I said something that wasn't true: The Neglected History of Women in the Early Church | Christian History Magazine

That's quite a long article, and yet I cannot find any evidence in it or even a real claim that "the 1st and 2nd century Church had women clergy."

The closest to it would seem to be this small part:

At times the term certainly refers to women who were part of the clergy. The Cappadocian father, Basil, uses presbytera apparently in the sense of a woman who is head of a religious community.

And although the first sentence there says there were women clergy, the very next sentence erases the idea.

In short, women were important to the church in almost every way (and this is laboriously relayed to us in the article) EXCEPT for being clergy.

 

[Speedwell]

I've been following the political situation in USA closely and it's been saddening for me to hear about how "evangelical Christians" (whatever that means) are part of the Trump-"base", and seen clips from churches in USA where people seem to be very eager to pray for Trump, despite how generally in the rest of the world Trump is being viewed as a person (to use the words that is commonly used) that lies and have no shame, have tendencies that lean toward authoritarianism, is xenophobic and really racist, rude and vulgar, creates fear, surround himself with only yes-men etc. etc. and have developed (again a word that is commonly used) a sort of cult where people no longer understand reality and believe that when Trump tell them lies then this is the truth. And basically this is the view I got too, I honestly don't understand a thing about why anyone would support such a man, and the last 4 years seem to have brought out the very worst in people living in America, have created doubt in NATO and other alliances of whether or not USA is still supporting these alliances, if they will come to the aid of democracies around the world in case of conflicts, since how he's talking about and dealing with dictators suggest to me that he's a really dangerous man, and this is something I've found explained to be true in every single book I've read, and I've read all the books of all the people that have had something to tell from the inside situation in the white house. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies talk about how white supremacy is gaining strength and how right-wing politics now is the NR.1 source of terror-attacks in USA, and the rule of law have caused a lot of those that work for Trump to end up in jail. Generals talk with worry about the current administration. Specially lately how Trump and Giuliani have spread claims of voter fraud and refuse to concede to Joe Biden, the winner of the election, and now also how people have been placed in the pentagon, and there's serious talk of a coup d'état, and that USA is very vulnerable. All around the world leaders have congratulated president-elect Biden, and where I live share jokes about Trump and talk with disbelief about this political figure, and I don't seem to be alone at all to totally failing to understand how it is that he have gotten such an enormous support, and I'm also honestly worried, since I have friends in USA and I worry how they are doing, since it's become a political issue to wear a face-mask and it's really surreal to me to see how people are cheering for a political figure that refuses to do anything to stop the virus, but just let people die, and the number is getting close to a quarter of a million, and still many people think it's a hoax.

The very worst thing for me though is that it is really saddening for me how infiltrated the churches in USA seem to have become by the Republican Party, and that when people talk with disgust about the Trump-administration, they seem to blame Christians (evangelical's - whatever that refer to) and thus blaspheme God, since they look at Christians as hypocrites that might talk of good things, but by supporting Trump are doing something evil. So I've honestly feared the end of days and really think that Trump is making the way for the Anti-Christ. And this make me fear the largest Christian community in the world, and I become confused, and I really feel that my faith is being damaged because I don't want anything at all to do with the type of politics that Trump seem to be about, clearly very far right-wing populism, since I don't see anything good, nothing constructive, and nothing that have anything to do with Christianity in this.

I want to make it very clear that I mean nothing offensive at all by this post. This is extra important for me to make clear, since I had a warning and someone reported me and I was punished with 1 point, and if I get 3 points I'll get banned from CF, and I want to stay here and specially in the prayer section, it's important for me and I need Jesus to remain strong, and perhaps others need me too.

Also I mean nothing offensive toward USA or in general I don't mean anything rude or to be bad, but the main point about this post is to ask and try to understand why Christians would support something that I look at as really un-Christian, something that make people afraid, sad and filled with hopelessness? If you understand me, then I'll do my best to try to understand you. I can only point to how extreme the joy from those that celebrated when Biden/Harris won, and personally I had a bottle of wine to celebrate, it really made me happy, since I really do hope that America can live up to the great expectations the whole world have.

It really is as if I look at a really foreign culture, and I don't understand why people say and do what they say and do with USA and Trump. I hope someone can explain this with simple English and common sense arguments.

Thanks for reading this, and I wish a good weekend for you all, and may God bless you and yours.

1. It's about abortion and making it illegal for non-Christians who don't think it's a sin.
2. It's about not having to tolerate the presence of "out" homosexuals in society.
3. It's about resentment of educated elites and a whole list of other minor grievances that date back to the American Civil War.

 

[98cwitr]

That's quite a long article, and yet I cannot find any evidence in it or even a real claim that "the 1st and 2nd century Church had women clergy."

The closest to it would seem to be this small part:



And although the first sentence there says there were women clergy, the very next sentence erases the idea.

In short, women were important to the church in almost every way (and this is laboriously relayed to us in the article) EXCEPT for being clergy.

Scroll toward the bottom plz.

 

[Hazelelponi]

No you have it backwards. The Evangelical Christians who support Trump no longer believe scripture is relevant, hence the "prophecies", "speaking in tongues", the female clergy, the services with no order but just chaotic... Those things are directly against what the Bible says, they are the ones who believe what Paula White says instead of the Bible.

I'm a proponent of reformed doctrine that is highly conservative. We believe in the 5 Solas...

We don't dance, dont have rock bands in church (no music at all - all the singing is acappella), and we arent "charismatic" nor do we have women pastors (although we do believe in the Holy Spirit).

And my husband, I and many (if not most) of those we know supported a Trump presidency.

Putting Trump support into the "bad religion" corner in order to dismiss very real Christian support for very logical reasons is disingenuous at best.

 

[Elfkind]

What if the media was wrong and he wasn't a racist nazi Supreme? Would you believe it?

It just seem like a typical knee-jerk reaction from Trump-supporters to decry the media, and echo the opinion that media is "the enemy of the people" (of course, unless it's the kind of media that talk favorable about him), but personally I try to follow various news from all over the world, and different views on politics, and generally they are pretty much accurate when it come to Trump, if I use the close up and personal opinions about him that I've read in books by Bob Woodward, Michael Cohen, Mary Trump etc. It's an nontraditional, unconventional and unusual political figure to say it mildly.

How about talking about why you support Trump, and try to explain to a foreigner like myself what in his politics that seem to be good and true for you? Because I honestly, hand on my heart, don't understand a think about what anyone might think is positive, and specially not whatever about him might make Christians support him?

Thanks in advance for giving me your viewpoint, if you care to explain this mystery to me.

PS! Please let me know if anything of what I write feels offensive! I'm honesty really confused about what I might have done wrong in my last post, and I'm really not a person that say or do things that hurt people, but I do have the experience that I have often been disliked by people because I care more about talking the truth, then if telling lies would make people think better of me.

Not all Evangelicals:
Evangelicals For Biden

And most certainly not all Christians, by any means. I'd say most Christians are against Trump.

I tend to agree, if I think about Christians outside USA. Trump seem to be a character that is very much an American phenomena, and something uniquely archetypal of that nation, but here in Europe it don't seem like anyone look at him as anything else then a joke, or make people like myself deeply worried for the largest military arsenal in the world ending up in the wrong hands. I can't see anything about Trump that make me think he have anything to do with Christianity, but I understand that Christians perhaps don't understand anymore in USA what they are doing or what is real and what is true and what is a lie.

I was very happy to see Biden win, and very upset that there's accusation about voter fraud, something that he really, pretty much made clear in advance that he thought, since it undermine the democratic process and might even make people turn to violence, and the way I understand the current administration, I don't doubt for a second that they would cause a deathblow to democracy and declare Trump to be the first emperor of USA, nor do I doubt, by what I've seen so far, that his supporters would think this was according to law and order, Christian values, and patriotism.

 

[Albion]

Scroll toward the bottom plz.

What I cited is near the bottom, so I'd appreciate you pointing me to what it is that you want me to see.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Not all Evangelicals:
Evangelicals For Biden

And most certainly not all Christians, by any means. I'd say most Christians are against Trump.

And Biden. Neither one would be any reasonable Christian's first choice but one is left with choosing between them or choosing to opt out. So one chooses to vote for( not necessarily support) the candidate that one finds has promoted policies less distasteful to one. If one is against higher taxes, international interventionism, open borders, abortion, increased government regulation of business and religious institutions, and any other number of Democratic party policies then one has no choice but to vote for Trump. If one is against low taxes, strict borders, excessive name calling, looking unpresidential, mocking people, tweeting goof things, carbon based energy, and any number of policies that Trump( not necessarily the Republican Party) advocates then one has no choice but to vote for Biden. It really has little to do with the person and everything to do with what the person says about what they want to do. Unfortunately neither is likely to act fiscally responsible and neither they , nor anyone else that seeks high office, has the ability to find a way for government to give meaning to our lives or make us content.

 

[98cwitr]

Well leave it to someone with a liberal theology to quote a source that is liberal in its theology. There were no female clergy in the Early Church. There were Church Fathers, no Church Mothers. The Lord made it clear that as Christ is the Head of the Church, so too is man the head of woman. St. Paul made clear that a woman not usurp the role of a man in Church by speaking over men.

But liberal theology rationalizes away these Truths from God's Word.

And that's fine - if you want to believe that go right ahead, along with Evangelical Christianity. But is a LIBERAL theological view, not a CONSERVATIVE Theological view. Just be honest with yourself and others that it is liberal theology which goes along with Trump-support.

We may need to clarify our definitions of "clergy." Would you agree that anyone who is "ordained" is a member of the clergy?

Definition of CLERGY