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"I gave my life to Jesus a thousand times"

Discussion in 'Struggles by Non-Christians' started by Bob8102, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. Bob8102

    Bob8102 Member

    United States
    Below is a link to a poem that I'd like you to read and comment on. The page has a video of the author of the poem reading it; it is an 8-minute video. Below that is the poem, written out. I really relate to this poem: at least the first half. What it is trying to say in the second half may still be lost on me. Please read and comment, if you can take ten minutes.

    I Gave My Life To Jesus: spoken word video – Christ the Truth
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  2. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    Many trust in works to save them, dedicating their life to Jesus etc. But you end up trusting in yourself doing this. But whoever trusts in Christ for their salvation has eternal life.
  3. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

    Glen, who sounds Australian to me, has nailed a real problem in Christian teaching and preaching. We are saved by the finished work of Christ on the cross and His resurrection. We need to accept God's judgement that we are helpless sinners and accept the fact that only Christ can save us. Once are born again, it is a who new realm. We get a new heart where Lord Jesus lives. We get a new set of desires that are implanted by God. We no more have to try to be a Christian than a bird has to learn how to fly. Either we are born again or we are not. The speaker is right. We are inclined to focus on what we have to do for God. Wrong. Discover what God has done for us in Christ!

    Many get it back to front. They think they have to please God in order to be blessed. We already please God, not because of who we were in Adam but because of who we are in Christ. Check out God's word (as stated in the last half of the poem). The New Testament states at least 50 times (I got tired of searching) "In Christ" or "in Him", meaning the same thing. God puts us into Christ. All we have to do is stay where God has put us. If we died (and we have) and our lives are hidden in Christ with God, what it is the problem? There is none. Now there is the day to day outworking of that. You'll note that most of Paul's letters begin with an affirmation of who we are in Christ. Once that is established, he goes on to how that works in practice. Most Christians are trying (or giving up) to behave aright in order to get what God has already given us!

    Juan Ortiz put it like this. Christians are inclined to deal with the "fruit" of the tree, regularly recommitting, promise keeping, trying to cut out various sins and trying to serve God. Christians go to camps and conventions to get sorted out. All that happens is that the "fruit" grows back. So there is much discouragement and condemnation, even giving up completely. God's method is much different. He lays the axe to the root of the tree. Kill the tree and the fruit is gone forever. We think of Christianity as a changed life. Yes and no. It is an exchanged life. We change because we give over a certain area of our lives to the Lord Jesus for Him to deal with.

    Jesus is not only the Way and the Truth. He is the Life. As we allow Him to live instead of us, we have the greatest possible freedom and victory. Events that once sent us into despair we laugh at. We no longer have any expectation in self. All our expectation is in Christ.
  4. royal priest

    royal priest debtor to grace

    United States
    It is important that we live for Jesus, but our hope for salvation needs to be that He gave His life for us, not that we give our life for Him.
  5. AvisG

    AvisG Active Member Supporter

    United States
    Francis Thompson's poem The Hound of Heaven, one of the greatest poems in the English language, has somewhat of a similar theme and is even more inspiring when you know Thompson's story: 239. The Hound of Heaven by Francis Thompson. Nicholson & Lee, eds. 1917. The Oxford Book of English Mystical Verse

    I had a friend in college, a former druggie, who went forward to formally "rededicate" his life to Jesus at the end of every single church service. "Yep, there goes Tom." The pastor finally took him aside and had a conversation as to why he thought this was necessary.

    Glen's poem certainly makes a valid point about the distinction between all the formalistic, ritualistic approaches to "giving oneself" to Christ and simply allowing the Gospel truth to speak to your heart. On the other hand, what you call the first half of the poem seems to me to describe a pretty sincere and heartfelt attempt to come to Christ. It's difficult to believe the Gospel message and truth would not have spoken to his heart in those circumstances.

    I don't believe you need more than a single sincere recognition of Christ's work for the Holy Spirit to enter into your life and begin transforming it. Apparently the point Glen is making is that the focus had always been on "me" and not on "Him."
  6. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    In the first part, it seems he is saying we should not self-produce what we think God wants. And he is criticizing however preachers demand we get ourselves to make an effort. I agree that God's word does not mean for us to try and struggle to make ourselves do what we can understand that God wants >

    "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

    God in us works us to will and to do what He pleases. So, we live in sharing with God. And I would say, then, we always are discovering what He brings us to do :)

    But it can seem like a number of preachers are putting demands on us. And this can have us isolated with ourselves, trying to get our own selves to do what we think is required of us.

    But Paul says how he labors > "striving according to His working which works in me mightily" > in Colossians 1:29 > again, it seems the word of God is saying we labor and live in sharing with God, how God in us has us laboring. And Jesus says that if we take His yoke upon us, and learn from Jesus > "you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30). And this includes living in submission to how our Heavenly Father rules us "in one body" in His own peace >

    "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

    So, yes we do labor and make an effort, but this is in sharing with God who has us willing and doing. What we do, then, is rest in how God's grace takes us along. So, yes this is required; God's word commands this. But God in us has us succeeding in all He expects. We trust Him to do all He desires with us; if we have any failure or concerns about this, we cast this on Him, trusting Him to take care of us becoming and doing all He pleases >

    "casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7)

    But the poem seems to say there should not be much required of us. But I offer that God requires more and better than what a number of preachers might be demanding.

    And he seems to say, in his poem, that preachers point to Jesus on the cross, but then make the cross mean major requirements of us . . . instead of mainly claiming how Jesus on the cross did it all for us.

    I don't think it is all the way one way or the other. Jesus on the cross finished all we need for salvation, but Jesus on the cross is our example, required of us > Ephesians 5:2.

    Yes, Jesus suffered and died for us, finishing the work of our redemption so we may be forgiven and reconciled with God and adopted to become His own children. And Jesus in prayer has claimed that our Father loves us as He has loved Jesus > this is in the Lord's prayer in John chapter seventeen. And now "Christ makes intercession for us," we have in Romans 8:34)

    Jesus is praying for us according to His own faith. So, because of Jesus praying, we are gaining all which is possible with God to do in us and our lives. And this is better, indeed, than all which preachers could require of us humans; we can do more than humans require of us. So we need to feed on the example of Christ on the cross.

    God's word does say Jesus is our example, required of us >

    "And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

    So, there is requirement, a love standard. However, this is not what we try and struggle to get ourselves to to. But God's grace is almighty in us to change our nature so we become more and more maturely like Jesus. And with this we become sacrificed to loving like Jesus on the cross, and so also we are sweet-smelling living sacrifices to love, so pleasing our Father > but this in sharing with Jesus in us who makes us sweetly and tenderly pleasing and sharing and caring as His family >

    "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

    So, I would say his poem is too focused on criticizing certain preachers who can make it look like God has demands that are all on you. Meanwhile, others can make it seem like God does not expect anything from us; ones say Jesus has done it all, on the cross, which is correct; but they also add on that we will go to Heaven no matter what we do or don't do. Ones say God's love is "unconditional" and so He doesn't condemn us and does not correct us.

    But God's unconditional love is our example, required also of us. But this is because God knows He is able by His grace almighty of love, to change us to become like Him and love and share as His family > and this comes because of His correction > Hebrews 12:4-14 guarantees that because God loves us His children, He does not leave us in our wrong stuff, but deeply corrects us, curing our character in His love >

    "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

    Grace is God's favor, yes; but God's favor includes how He succeeds in correcting us to become and love like Jesus His own Son; because God so favors how Jesus is!!! :) Romans 8:29

    He in us changes us so we share with Him in how His love is > so now we can forgive, "even as God" (Ephesians 4:31-32) > meaning in sharing with Him in us, sharing with God in how He lovingly forgives with hope for any person, at all > like how Jesus so suffered and died with love and hope for any person > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

    God favors forgiveness, and in us His grace shares with us so we forgive lovingly, "even as God" > and our Apostle Paul clearly commands this . . . requirement :) . . . this confirmation commandment of how greatly and wonderfully our Father pleases for us to live as His family and this in sharing with Him in us.

    So, yes as I think this poem means, we need to not allow anyone to load us down with requirements which we are supposed to get ourselves to do. But, also, we do not have much time to be criticizing and debating people who push us to get ourselves to do what they dictate. Because God does require what is so better, and we need for our attention to be to God > to be submissive to Him, so we discover all He pleases to share with us.
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  7. brucecy92

    brucecy92 New Member

    United Kingdom
    Những con số nào hay đi về cùng nhau, hướng dẫn chốt số MB
    Lô đề miền Bắc chơi như thế nào, những con số nào hay xuất hiện cùng nhau trong bảng kết quả, hôm nay ra lô này thì ngày tiếp theo nên chốt những con nào, tham khảo ngay bài viết dưới đây.

    Những con số nào hay đi về cùng với nhau

    Theo nghiên cứu của các chuyên gia lô đề thì những con số dưới đây rất hay đi cùng nhau và hôm nay có con số này xuất hiện thì ngày tiếp theo chắc chắn sẽ có mặt của những con số khác. Các bạn tham khảo để chốt cầu chơi [​IMG] SXMB ◀◀◀ CLICK ngay hôm nay nhé.

    Lô 68 về thì hôm sau xổ 86. Hôm nay thấy có lô 00 thì ngày tiếp theo đánh lô 99. Lô ra 99 về thì đánh lô 22 hôm sau. Hôm nay lô về 22 thì hôm sau đánh lô lô 00. Nếu lô ra 00 về thì ngày tiếp theo đánh lô 10. Thấy 11 về hôm nay thì đánh 01 ngày tiếp theo.


    Hôm nay ra lô này thì ngày tiếp theo ra lô gì

    Lô về 06-60 thì hôm sau sẽ về lại 06 hoặc 60. Lô về 51 hôm qua thì hôm nay đánh lộn 15. Lô về 75 thì hôm sau về 57. Hôm nay về 66 thì ngày tiếp theo 66 sẽ lại về. Lô tô về cả bộ 05-50 hoặc xuất hiện 1 trong 2 số thì hôm sau đánh lô con số còn lại.

    Thấy hôm qua lô về 02-20 hoặc 1 trong 2 số thì hôm sau bỏ lại 1 số hoặc đánh số còn lại. Lô tô đầu 7 câm hoặc đuôi 3 câm thì hôm sau sẽ về 73. Hôm qua về 18-81 thì hôm nay đánh lô 97-99, ngược lại cũng đúng. Hôm trước về lô 45 thì hôm sau đánh lô 59-95 hoặc 09 sẽ về. Ngày hôm trước lô 58 về thì hôm sau về 63.

    Hôm nay đề về kép bằng thì ngày mai chốt con gì hiệu quả

    Nếu đề XSMB hôm nay ra kép bằng thì ngày mai các bạn chốt những con số này cực kỳ dễ trúng thưởng, khung nuôi cầu chơi [​IMG]Xổ số kiến thiết miền bắc ◀◀◀ BẤM XEM dao động từ 3 tới 5 ngày sẽ cho lãi cao:

    Đề kép 00 về hôm sau đánh lô: 03, 60, 52, 87. Đề kép 11 về hôm sau đánh lô: 86, 29, 01, 18. Đề kép 22 về hôm sau đánh lô: 45, 54, 48, 84. Đề kép 33 về hôm sau đánh lô: 07, 70, 23, 32. Đề kép 44 về hôm sau đánh lô: 37, 73, 89, 98.


    Đề ra kép hôm sau chốt con số nào

    Đề kép 55 về hôm sau đánh lô: 48, 84, 02, 20. Đề kép 66 về hôm sau đánh lô: 19, 91, 34, 43. Đề kép 77 về hôm sau đánh lô: 57, 75, 37, 73. Đề kép 88 về hôm sau đánh lô: 57, 75, 04, 40. Đề kép 00 về hôm sau đánh lô: 02, 20, 05, 50.

    Nếu đề về kép âm, kép sát, kép lệch thì ngày mai lô miền Bắc nên đánh con số mấy, xem chi tiết tại [​IMG] Xổ số miền bắc ◀◀◀ TẠI ĐÂY
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2021
  8. Lucian Hodoboc

    Lucian Hodoboc Well-Known Member

    Eastern Orthodox
    Then why don't the goats in the parable tell Him: "Lord, we trusted in You to do all the works, cause that is what we were told would save us."?
  9. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

    The real point of the sheep and goat example is not works, but attitude to believers. We know that we have passed from death to life when we love the brethren (1 John 3:14). Love is not just a nice feeling or noble sentiment. It is something that we do. If we know that a fellow Christian is suffering yet do nothing about it, we need to check ourselves out to see where we are at in reality. Jesus regards every born again Christian as if that Christian were Jesus Himself. Hence His rebuke of Paul.

    If we deliberately neglect the brethren, then we are neglecting Lord Jesus. If that were preached and practised more often, our churches would be much stronger and much more effective witnesses.