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I know I whined about this earlier this week but I can't shake the feeling, so many Christians have these experiences that draw them back to God and they get to feel God's presense and pull, I haven't. I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine and was scared to go to Hell, no overwhelming emotions, no reaching the end of myself, just I see Hell. I don't wanna go. God can keep me out of Hell. Let me go to him. I know it's selfish and I'm aware that when I believe and trust in him I am saved. But it feels like he isn't there for me. I read the word and feel nothing in me change. I pray and feel nothing. At this point I feel like I need to make terrible decisions so that I can come to end of myself so that God might accept me. All I wanted is to not go to hell and I don't think God wants that for me
 

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I know I whined about this earlier this week but I can't shake the feeling, so many Christians have these experiences that draw them back to God and they get to feel God's presense and pull, I haven't. I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine and was scared to go to Hell, no overwhelming emotions, no reaching the end of myself, just I see Hell. I don't wanna go. God can keep me out of Hell. Let me go to him. I know it's selfish and I'm aware that when I believe and trust in him I am saved. But it feels like he isn't there for me. I read the word and feel nothing in me change. I pray and feel nothing. At this point I feel like I need to make terrible decisions so that I can come to end of myself so that God might accept me. All I wanted is to not go to hell and I don't think God wants that for me

It's sad to hear that you feel that way. But do yourself a favor and don't rely so much on your feelings, or your past traumas, to 'tell' you how God feels about you, especially if your experiencing moments of depression right now.

Even in my own life, I don't necessarily 'feel' God. But that doesn't mean His invisible presence and His Love for us isn't there for us. Try not to confuse the fact that the World (and sometimes our own family) doesn't offer us a safety net of emotional support for the fact that God loves us.
 
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It's said to hear that you feel that way. But do yourself and favor and don't rely so much on your feelings, or your past traumas, to 'tell' you how God feels about you, especially if your experiencing moments of depression right now.

Even in my own life, I don't necessarily 'feel' God. But that doesn't mean His invisible presence and His Love for us isn't there for us. Try not to confuse the fact that the World (and sometimes our own family) doesn't offer us a safety net of emotional support for the fact that God loves us.
so essentially just keep on keeping on?
 
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so essentially just keep on keeping on?

Not exactly. You can do a few things to help yourself learn to deal with your own emotional barriers, or the natural responses you may have when someone else may misrepresent the contents of the Bible.
 
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Take your doubts captive as in 2Cor 10:3-5. And say I trust you lord afterward. Read your Bible and trust Him like a little child. Pray and believes He hears you. It’s only a leap of faith to believe. Just do it.
 
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But it feels like he isn't there for me. I read the word and feel nothing in me change. I pray and feel nothing. At this point I feel like I need to make terrible decisions so that I can come to end of myself so that God might accept me.
Matthew 7:7 says: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"

We need to keep seeking after God, seeking asking and knocking. We need to study the will of God in the Bible so we know what to seek God for. If you seek the love, joy and peace of God chances are you will find what you are seeking for. If you seek something unGodly then it would not be Him that answers that prayer.

If we do not understand the Bible we should pray for the Holy Spirit of God to be our Guide, Teacher and Helper so we can understand God's message of deliverance for us.

We can not give up, we need to keep seeking, asking and knocking. God does not change, He is the one waiting on us. We need to allow Him to transform us into the people He created us to be. We are given gifts, talents and abilities at conception and we need to use what we have to bring praise, honor and glory to God.
 
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I know I whined about this earlier this week but I can't shake the feeling, so many Christians have these experiences that draw them back to God and they get to feel God's presense and pull, I haven't. I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine and was scared to go to Hell, no overwhelming emotions, no reaching the end of myself, just I see Hell. I don't wanna go. God can keep me out of Hell. Let me go to him. I know it's selfish and I'm aware that when I believe and trust in him I am saved. But it feels like he isn't there for me. I read the word and feel nothing in me change. I pray and feel nothing. At this point I feel like I need to make terrible decisions so that I can come to end of myself so that God might accept me. All I wanted is to not go to hell and I don't think God wants that for me
Ending yourself will not get you to heaven.

You have to be patient, the Holy Spirit, if you do things right will transform you. It takes years not days. You expect to be changed in a day, well it does not work this way, God is testing you ( and all of us) to see what we will do. You are right to think free grace is false doctrine. Jesus is the only way remember that study what he asks and do it. it is not a joy ride and is difficult, people will hate you for seeking the truth so beware but this is what you mist do to be saved, do like Jesus did do the will of GOD.

Press the big reset button forget all you have learned so far, concentrate on the gospel of Jesus for now.
 
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Ending yourself will not get you to heaven.

You have to be patient, the Holy Spirit, if you do things right will transform you. It takes years not days. You expect to be changed in a day, well it does not work this way, God is testing you ( and all of us) to see what we will do. You are right to think free grace is false doctrine. Jesus is the only way remember that study what he asks and do it. it is not a joy ride and is difficult, people will hate you for seeking the truth so beware but this is what you mist do to be saved, do like Jesus did do the will of GOD.

Press the big reset button forget all you have learned so far, concentrate on the gospel of Jesus for now
Thanks for the encouragement, end of myself doesn't mean ending myself. It's reaching an extremely low point in life
 
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I know I whined about this earlier this week but I can't shake the feeling, so many Christians have these experiences that draw them back to God and they get to feel God's presense and pull, I haven't. I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine and was scared to go to Hell, no overwhelming emotions, no reaching the end of myself, just I see Hell. I don't wanna go. God can keep me out of Hell. Let me go to him. I know it's selfish and I'm aware that when I believe and trust in him I am saved. But it feels like he isn't there for me. I read the word and feel nothing in me change. I pray and feel nothing. At this point I feel like I need to make terrible decisions so that I can come to end of myself so that God might accept me. All I wanted is to not go to hell and I don't think God wants that for me
Just checking on something - what do you mean by "free grace" when you say "I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine"? Here in the UK, when Christians talk about free grace, they mean the undeserved favour of God by which He saves sinners. This grace is absolutely free to us, though of course Jesus Christ paid a tremendous price for it, shedding His blood on the cross. That sort of free grace is certainly biblical, sound doctrine, for it is by that grace we are saved:

“4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God,” (Eph 2:4-8 NKJV)
 
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Thanks for the encouragement, end of myself doesn't mean ending myself. It's reaching an extremely low point in life

There is also when one comes to the end of oneself. When we see our own efforts of being saved or of following Christ we see are not adequate for the task. So we chose to continue not in our own strength and love but in Gods strength and love. We can’t do it ourselves but God can.
 
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Just checking on something - what do you mean by "free grace" when you say "I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine"? Here in the UK, when Christians talk about free grace, they mean the undeserved favour of God by which He saves sinners. This grace is absolutely free to us, though of course Jesus Christ paid a tremendous price for it, shedding His blood on the cross. That sort of free grace is certainly biblical, sound doctrine, for it is by that grace we are saved:

“4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God,” (Eph 2:4-8 NKJV)
Free grace is not a sound doctrine! it is why James said faith without works is dead!!!!
it is because of these false doctrine that people are discouraged and are lost.

Faith Without Works Is Dead​

James 2:14-26


14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.


18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Footnotes​

  1. James 2:18 NU omits your
  2. James 2:18 NU omits my
  3. James 2:20 NU useless
  4. James 2:22 complete
  5. James 2:23 credited
 
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so many Christians have these experiences
That happens usually when we fast. I had a pastor that use to fast up to 40 days. After two or three days I can start to hear from God a lot more. Jesus talks about prayer and fasting in Matthew 17 21 "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting." That is one way to clean the cobwebs out of the attic.
 
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Just checking on something - what do you mean by "free grace" when you say "I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine"? Here in the UK, when Christians talk about free grace, they mean the undeserved favour of God by which He saves sinners. This grace is absolutely free to us, though of course Jesus Christ paid a tremendous price for it, shedding His blood on the cross. That sort of free grace is certainly biblical, sound doctrine, for it is by that grace we are saved:

“4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God,” (Eph 2:4-8 NKJV)
Free Grace is the reason I believe proper doctrine now because I used to believe you were saved turning from sins, but the Free Grace position asserts that you can live anyway you want and still be saved. They assert that since you have free will you can believe the gospel and trust in Christ and resist the heart change that the Holy Spirit brings about. They use Romans 5:20-21 to assert this I can't say that they're entirely wrong because I don't know much but too many scriptures seem to say that a believer will at least have some capacity have improved and grown
 
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I think you mean cheap grace’. It was very costly to Jesus and it is free but we have our share to do. I’m glad you are with…. Repentance, living a holy life, obeying Jesus is our choice,
. Should be a focus of our will. He did die for sinners but we must turn from them over and over to remain pure. Some sins are worse than others and separate us from God longer. We don’t have grace if we are living in sin lifestyle. You’re pretty smart figuring that out. Going in the right direction.
 
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God is not over me .because I am no longer under the Old Testament where God has to work UPON me..But I am a born again believer..And Christ lives on me.In Christ is the entirety of God .and the entire fullness of the Godhead in me .So God is not over me on on me .but He is IN Christ..in me(Col.2:9-10).I live by the life of Christ,and He is my only life,and through Christ in me,God speaks in the Son,Christ in me..so I have a direct link with God..through my union oneness with Christ.For my life is hidden..in Christ .in Gid..and God deals with me by the Son in me,and the Son deals with the Holy Spirit in me as I learn the Christ in me..and thus..learn by Father who is the Living God.
 
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I know I whined about this earlier this week but I can't shake the feeling, so many Christians have these experiences that draw them back to God and they get to feel God's presense and pull, I haven't. I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine and was scared to go to Hell, no overwhelming emotions, no reaching the end of myself, just I see Hell. I don't wanna go. God can keep me out of Hell. Let me go to him. I know it's selfish and I'm aware that when I believe and trust in him I am saved. But it feels like he isn't there for me. I read the word and feel nothing in me change. I pray and feel nothing. At this point I feel like I need to make terrible decisions so that I can come to end of myself so that God might accept me. All I wanted is to not go to hell and I don't think God wants that fo

I know I whined about this earlier this week but I can't shake the feeling, so many Christians have these experiences that draw them back to God and they get to feel God's presense and pull, I haven't. I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine and was scared to go to Hell, no overwhelming emotions, no reaching the end of myself, just I see Hell. I don't wanna go. God can keep me out of Hell. Let me go to him. I know it's selfish and I'm aware that when I believe and trust in him I am saved. But it feels like he isn't there for me. I read the word and feel nothing in me change. I pray and feel nothing. At this point I feel like I need to make terrible decisions so that I can come to end of myself so that God might accept me. All I wanted is to not go to hell and I don't think God wants that for me
I don't have time now to fully dive into this, but there was a time when it was like God held his presence from me.

It returned when i got frustrated from seeking it and just lived in his love and seeing how i can help others.

For me the message was clear, time to grow up and get your eyes ofc of what you want and be my hands and feet in this hurting world.

One of the most prideful comments i heard another Christian say is that they didn't know why people had problems getting into God's presence as it is so easy

I thought to myself, tell that to Job. Tell that to Jesus when He was on the cross

But i get that we all want that comfort. Keep asking Him and try not to worry about it. Just continue to grow in his love
 
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problems getting into God's presence as it is so easy
"Easy" may not be the best word. To "get" into God's presence is wonderful and there is nothing better. David says: "

"Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name." Psalm 100:4

This aligns us with God and this is how we enter into His presence.

I named my sons: "David" & "Daniel".
 
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"Easy" may not be the best word. To "get" into God's presence is wonderful and there is nothing better. David says: "

"Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name." Psalm 100:4

This aligns us with God and this is how we enter into His presence.

I named my sons: "David" & "Daniel"
I was quoting another. Point being that it came across prideful and as if those of us who have had dry spells were doing something wrong.

I can thank Him for them now as it allows me to relate to others pain and sufferings, etc.
 
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