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I feel cheap; like I don't love enough - to justify something I don't understand

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Hi there,

So my life has gone round the bender, trying to reconcile myself, with Evolution. It got to the point, where I was saying "Lord I will adapt, what you want me to adapt; I will do it, for those you want me to do it for; I will point to You" and it sort of seemed to make sense: I was no longer doing my own will, for my own reasons, regardless of what Christ thought. But then, when it came to evaluating it - am I doing enough or not? - I couldn't justify it; like I was saying "yes, I will go and do what you say, Father" but I was not doing it?

So I looked to the end of my life, whether my heart was in the right place and I did love ("love" - let the reader believe), but it was like I was resting on the least of all possible love. It didn't feel like I had earned something great, like it used to feel, when I was a Christian - like I would still feel as a Christian, if that was my goal. My goal basically is learning to deal with objections to the faith - but this whole Evolution thing, is a doosey, it seems like everything I do, to change from a self-centered Evolution, to a God centered Evolution, falls flat on its face. Jesus talked about the cares of this world choking the seed of faith, and I feel it, let me tell you I feel it! But how am I supposed to plant myself somewhere else? I need to keep my faith in God's Evolution or Man's Evolution will continue to pollute the Earth!?

I suppose in the end, it comes down to good works - for that I feel ready, like I will get somewhere. I won't need to give Glory to anything, but God. I just don't know if my love will change? Like somehow I will love all the more, because my faith has seen the works of God? I am not doubting needlessly: a flawless faith, should be able to love, in all kinds of ways - did God conceive Creation by half measures? Certainly not!

So yeah, I don't know what you can say to that. I guess that if my love is not enough as it is - I will just have to work really hard, to ensure it is able to reach fertile soil.
 

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The verse (Matthew 13:33) about the woman that puts two pecks of yeast, in three measures of flour - really spoke to me.

I think, its wanting to be known for Evolution, that is the problem: Jesus did everything in secret (He never said "Hey! I am Christian").

But you are right, if your heart is in the right place, you can let go and let God.

Analysis is a curse, if it doesn't have limits - I agree with that, too!
 
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I am glad you understood my post. I have a problem with over thinking and being too involved with the world and its problems. Sometimes it pays to close it all off and let God.
Stay in the word and you will learn about love from God.
I have a hard time with it but the more I read Gods word the more I love God and the more I feel love.
 
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Hi there,

So my life has gone round the bender, trying to reconcile myself, with Evolution. It got to the point, where I was saying "Lord I will adapt, what you want me to adapt; I will do it, for those you want me to do it for; I will point to You" and it sort of seemed to make sense: I was no longer doing my own will, for my own reasons, regardless of what Christ thought. But then, when it came to evaluating it - am I doing enough or not? - I couldn't justify it; like I was saying "yes, I will go and do what you say, Father" but I was not doing it?

So I looked to the end of my life, whether my heart was in the right place and I did love ("love" - let the reader believe), but it was like I was resting on the least of all possible love. It didn't feel like I had earned something great, like it used to feel, when I was a Christian - like I would still feel as a Christian, if that was my goal. My goal basically is learning to deal with objections to the faith - but this whole Evolution thing, is a doosey, it seems like everything I do, to change from a self-centered Evolution, to a God centered Evolution, falls flat on its face. Jesus talked about the cares of this world choking the seed of faith, and I feel it, let me tell you I feel it! But how am I supposed to plant myself somewhere else? I need to keep my faith in God's Evolution or Man's Evolution will continue to pollute the Earth!?

I suppose in the end, it comes down to good works - for that I feel ready, like I will get somewhere. I won't need to give Glory to anything, but God. I just don't know if my love will change? Like somehow I will love all the more, because my faith has seen the works of God? I am not doubting needlessly: a flawless faith, should be able to love, in all kinds of ways - did God conceive Creation by half measures? Certainly not!

So yeah, I don't know what you can say to that. I guess that if my love is not enough as it is - I will just have to work really hard, to ensure it is able to reach fertile soil.
Why are you trying to reconcile yourself with evolution? Either it is true or not. Personally, it makes zero sense to me and I don't have to try to work it out. There are people far better qualified than I am who have effective arguments against evolution. What is "God-centred evolution" anyway? I've quit trying to convince the evolutionists that God is the Creator. I'll leave it up to God! He says that if people don't accept the evidence for God in the creation, then it is their responsibility.

You are putting pressure on yourself that God does not. No wonder you are struggling. Why do you expect flawless faith? Faith has to be refined (1 Peter 1:7). The reason is that we have all kinds of preconceived notions that argue against faith. One day we will see all and know all and nothing will be unclear. It's certainly not the case now.

You already have God's love. It is way better than your love. It is a fruit of the Spirit. Let the Holy Spirit be your love, joy, peace and so on.
 
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I don't know, I am sort of starting to understand it: I trust that God will give me something to adapt and I believe Jesus will help me determine how "greatly" I adapt that thing. It takes my mind off, deciding for God, what it is that I need to have faith for. Also, I am quicker to repent.

But yes, on the other hand, aiming at "flawless" faith, is a trap.

I can say this, God is definitely encouraging me to "love" - that seems to be His focus (whereas before, I was totally determined to be loved "the most", now I sort of accept, that people - without God - can only love so much).

Somehow it comes back to what Jesus is able to say, in the Holy Spirit - that seems to be our rudder, whether we believe in Evolution or Creation or not.

Let go and let God, this looks as good as any other spot to do just that!
 
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At the age of 16 I started questioning the Bible's story of creation. I have always been interested in science (chemistry and biology [and Latin] have been my best subjects in school) and I knew that if God really created the universe and the earth with all its different creatures and plants then there had to be scientific arguments for it. I am not someone who blindly believes what I am told; I want to base my beliefs on logic and actual observable evidence. So I started studying the theory of evolution (in more detail than we learned about it in school) and read a lot of scientific arguments of atheists (like Richard Dawkins or Stephen Hawking) to see whether their statements are logical.
The result of the past 6 years of studying is quite interesting. There is no contradiction between "science" and "God". There is only a contradiction between "materialism" and "God". But materialism is an assumption of science, not a scientific fact. There is no way to scientifically prove or disprove God, because if God exists then he is outside the universe, while science is limited to time and space. Or, as Professor Richard Lewontin said, a leading evolutionary geneticist who claimed to speak for many when he confessed: „Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.“ In other words: "Science is not forced to accept the assumption of materialism, but because we don't WANT God we come up with absurdities and call them "scientifically proven", although our claims contradicts natural laws and common sense".
And that is indeed what the Big-Bang theory and the theory of evolution are: illogical just-so stories which contradict natural laws and common sense. They contradict all 4 laws of thermodynamics (which are the fundamental laws of physics), the law of biogenesis and logical thinking.
Just to name a few aspects of the missing logic:
- it has never been observed that life evolves from non-life. All existing life comes from previous life of the same species.
- large-scale amoeba-to-man evolution requires massive increases in genetic information over time. Evolution is said to proceed by the processes of natural selection (the survival of the fittest) and/or mutations. However, the key question for both of these processes is: Where does the new information come from? For a reptile to become a bird, it must have the extra information necessary for wings and feathers, etc. Natural selection is easily observable, but it cannot of itself create the new information, since there is no upward development in the genetic complexity of the organism. Another alleged source of new information is mutations. For large-scale evolution, mutations must on average add information. Biophysicist Dr. Lee Spetner shows in his book Not by chance with detailed probabilistic analysis that this is completely precluded. He examines the classic textbook cases of mutations cited in favor of neo-Darwinian evolution and shows conclusively that, without exception, they are all losses of information. As a former fellow of Johns Hopkins University Spetner is a specialist in communications and information theory.
- Evolution claims that eukaryotic cells evolved from prokaryotic cells. The difference between prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells are striking, to say the least. But if the latter evolved from the former, why are there no intermediate stages between the two? Why, for example, are there no cells with loose DNA and organelles? If the evolutionary line really went from prokaryotes to eukaryotes, and we have many living samples of each, why did none of the intermediate stages survive?
- The DNA can only be decoded with the products of the code. In other words, you can read the code only if you already know what the code is saying. There is no way this mechanism was built up step by step or "wrote itself", the whole DNA had to work as a whole from the very beginning already.
- Scientists calculated that for the thousands of mutations from ape to "modern man" you need some 150,000,000,000 "forerunners", often represented as cave-dwelling hunters. Not only are there not enough fossils, tools, or whatever, found to believe in such a vast amount of pre-humans, the General Population Conference also kills all hope of the evolutionists. Data of the development and extrapolation into the past make clear that the assumption of thousands of millions of pre-humans is both physically and archaeologically unrealistic.
- One of evolution’s leading advocates in the world today, Steve Jones, Professor of Genetics at University College, London, wrote: „The fossil record – in defiance of Darwin’s whole idea of gradual change – often makes great leaps from one form to the next. Far from the display of intermediates to be expected from slow advance through natural selection, many species appear without warning, persist in fixed form, and disappear, leaving no descendents. Geology assuredly does not reveal any finely graduated organic chain, and this is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against the theory of evolution".
- Steven J. Gould, late Professor of Geology and Palaeontology at Harvard University, and President of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, said that the extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record „persists as the trade secret of palaeontology“. Niles Eldredge agrees, claiming a deception has been taking place: „We palaeontologists have said that the history of life supports [the story of gradual adaptive change]… all the while knowing that it does not".
- Dr Colin Patterson, the British Museum’s senior palaeontologist, said: „Nine-tenth of the talk of evolutionists is sheer nonsense, not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum there is not a partical of evidence for the transmutation of species.“ Speaking in New York City, at the American Museum of Natural History on 5 November 1981, Patterson said:
„Last year I had a sudden realization that for over 20 years I was working on evolution in some way. One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it struck me I had been working on this stuff for 20 years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That’s quite a shock to learn that one can be misled so long… so for the last few weeks I’ve been putting a simple question to various people… Can you tell me anything you know about evolution… any one thing that is true? I tried the question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time and eventually one person said: „I do know one thing – it ought not to be taught in high school.““
Later Patterson noticed that his statements hurt his reputation, so he revoked them and said people would misinterpret his words. Nevertheless it does not change that the whole group of respected evolutionists at the University of Chicago had nothing to say besides "Please don't teach evolutionism in school".
 
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Gottservant,

Who put this on your heart. You or the Lord? If the Holy Spirit directed you to the subject there’s a divine reason that has practical applications He’ll reveal.

Oftentimes we concern ourselves with issues God never told us to take on. We leap in unawares and acquire fears and frustrations which didn’t exist beforehand. What you’ve described doesn’t look like a heavenly assignment. You lack the peace and conviction that accompanies His directives.

During a bible study on Peter’s epistles I heard something I never forgot. The truth and a lie are very similar. We expect deception to arrive in obvious garb. It comes in a guise we’d welcome and that’s the problem. By the time we realize our mistake we’ve gone further than expected.

If the topic is consuming your thoughts.
Disturbing your peace.
Making you doubt.
Without a discernible cause.

You must question the source and whether the intention is drawing nearer to God or distraction. We know a tree by the fruit is bears. What has it borne thus far?

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.“ —Galatians 5:22-23

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
 
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inquisitive minds. I often wonder about people that are curious about evolution.
It seems to me at least for me if your mindset is God you have no interest in seeking out any other belief. If you are Christian I would be fearful of God in a situation like that.
It feels like trying to prove God wrong. Like people that go through the scriptures trying to find something wrong in them.
Be careful.
Satan is always waiting for the right situation to insert himself into our minds and lives.
I know how much you are struggling. Try to find peace in Gods word.
 
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inquisitive minds. I often wonder about people that are curious about evolution.
It seems to me at least for me if your mindset is God you have no interest in seeking out any other belief. If you are Christian I would be fearful of God in a situation like that.
It feels like trying to prove God wrong. Like people that go through the scriptures trying to find something wrong in them.
Be careful.
Satan is always waiting for the right situation to insert himself into our minds and lives.
I know how much you are struggling. Try to find peace in Gods word.
God has given us intelligence and logical thinking. We can expect the truth to be logical and should be able to determine the correct world-view by our intelligence. You see, nobody of us concocts life by thinking about it. All of us were children who took the world-view of our parents, because we needed someone to explain life to us, to tell us who we are, why we are here and what we are supposed to do. This is not limited to religious people, it is the same for non-religious people: the mother said "Don't do that!", the grandfather confirmed "one doesn't do that" and then we knew: I shouldn't do this. This way everyone of us got their morality and world-view from other people. Until we grew up and met people who were raised differently, with another morality and world-view. At this point it is not about the way we were raised anymore, now it is about truth. Truth is absolute, and therefore only one world-view can be true.

You may say now that having a personal relationship with God is proof enough for every Christian for the truth of Christianity, but many people (including me) who were raised by Christian parents never experienced that relationship as children. I believed in God and all, but I wasn't really making it the foundation of my life. When I was about 16 years old I had to choose to either obey God or to follow my own desires, and that made me use my intelligence to figure out whether my parents taught me the right world-view.
 
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Thanks for your posts guys - it has really helped.

I still seem to be juggling concepts, without really knowing what order they should be in - it feels kind of stupid, really.

  1. You want a personal relationship with God
  2. You want people to recognize the love God has for you.
  3. You want to do works that both inform that love and silence those who say 'your faith is for nothing'
The danger of course: is sophistry - please pray for me, that it not be that!
 
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Amen brother @Frederich Rubinstein your right evolution is wrong and unprovable. Evolutionists are conspiring to keep us from God. Without evolution we will ( the people) turn to creation and they don’t want that.
 
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