I do not understand republicans

[Sistrin]

Feeling that Trump is like Hitler doesn't hold a candle to objective facts.

It is an emotional response which is embraced as a justification for the very level of self-righteous hate and loathing transposed to another. If someone can claim Trump is like Hitler, they can assuage any guilt associated with the constant hate spewed for him.

 

[Sistrin]

Trump has been in office for four years and at most he will be on office four more years.

Not the issue you are addressing I realize but I agree President Trump will be legally, fairly, and Constitutionally re-elected. It will then be a matter of stopping every illegal and criminal act the Democrat Party will attempt to over-turn the results.

Where are the extermination camps?

The closest we here in the United States have are known of as Portland, Seattle, Chicago, New York, and Minneapolis. You know, Democrat controlled and managed cities in Democrat controlled and managed States.

Where is the mass governmental control of business?

Currently enacted by Democrat Governors in Democrat controlled States.

Where are the foreign wars?

Interesting, isn't it, how the Democrat Party and the American Left are suddenly so enamored with waging war across the globe?

 

[Redwingfan9]

Not the issue you are addressing I realize but I agree President Trump will be legally, fairly, and Constitutionally re-elected. It will then be a matter of stopping every illegal and criminal act the Democrat Party will attempt to over-turn the results.



The closest we here in the United States have are known of as Portland, Seattle, Chicago, New York, and Minneapolis. You know, Democrat controlled and managed cities in Democrat controlled and managed States.



Currently enacted by Democrat Governors in Democrat controlled States.



Interesting, isn't it, how the Democrat Party and the American Left are suddenly so enamored with waging war across the globe?

It's a fair point that a lot of the fascist policies in America (real fascism) are found in the Democratic Party. They either don't have an understanding of history or they are projecting when they accuse Trump of being like Hitler.

 

[Sistrin]

Trump's words had consequences.

Predominantly the consequence is informing the Leftist Order Of The Perpetually Offended And Outraged Class he isn't just going to stand around and take their crap.

Us intelligence...

'Us' intelligence? Who exactly would that be and what exactly did they say?

...confirms that Russians interfered in the 2016 election ... just as Trump asked them to.

Ah, yes, the nebulous and mystical "The Russians Did It!" claim, founded upon nothing but the lies and deceit of people like Peter Strzok, James Comey, Christopher Steele and, oh yeah, seventeen, Seventeen I Say, All Seventeen Intelligence Agencies!, as often cited here on these very forums as proof positive Trump was a Russian Spy as reported by the New York Times!

Except, in regard to those seventeen intelligence agencies (which, by the way, no one here could ever name when I and others here asked them to), the claim amounted to just another lie. Quote:

1. The ’17 Intel Agencies’ Lie

The media perpetuated a false claim from presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for months, insisting that all 17 intelligence agencies agree that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. The New York Times, for example, rated that claim as true only to later say the exact opposite.

Only four intelligence agencies ultimately deemed Russia responsible for meddling because the other 13 have no business making judgments on the claim. As The NYT succinctly explained, “The rest were doing other work.”

The American people at large voted Trump into office. The American left simply has refused to accept this simple fact.

Trump has stated that he is not sure that he will accept the results of the upcoming election.

Another intentional distortion. What Trump has stated is his obvious and completely justified lack of trust in and for the machinations of the Democrat Party Machine. Stealing elections is what the Democrat Party machine does. Quote:

"The insider revealed how Democrats rig elections by paying homeless voters, taking advantage of elderly in nursing homes, fraudulently posing as registered voters, printing up phony ballots and actually removing real ballots from envelopes and replacing them with counterfeit ballots."

This from the Washington Examiner, quote:

"An anonymous Democratic operative revealed he has been rigging mail-in ballots for decades.

He added, according to the New York Post, that “fraud is more the rule than the exception” when it comes to mail-in voting."

From the New York Post, quote:

Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

"A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades."

The Democrat Party is clamoring for universal mail-in voting for one reason and one reason only; it allows them the easiest and most effective means to defy the will of the American People and steal the Presidential election. Quote (source previously provided):

He added: “They are using coronavirus as their means to try to institute universal mail-in voting, which means sending every registered voter a ballot whether they asked for one or not. Voter rolls are notoriously full of bad addresses for people who have moved, are noncitizens, or are even deceased. Universal mail-in voting invites chaos and severe delays in results, as proven by the New York congressional primary, where we still don’t know who won after more than a month.”

Perhaps you should think about that.

Nobody was destroying private property and/or public monuments in Lafayette Square the day Trump had peaceful protestors cleared to do his upside-down Bible photo-op in front of the church.

So? If they refused to disperse or relocate at the request and/or order of the Police then their status as peaceful protestors ceased to exist.

Trump has disparaged Mexicans...

A lie. He disparaged drug runners, child traffickers, and rapist. You know, a significant percentage of the Democrat Party base.

...those from non-white countries...

Another lie. You are aware that other countries have institutional governments of their own, yes?

...women...

Another lie. He spoke to a possibility in context of a particular type of woman. You know, the type, I guess, Hillary Clinton was referring to when she employed the term "Bimbo Eruption."

...soldiers...

This is, again, an absolute lie, and confirmed as such by those who were actually present at the event. This list of people includes John Bolton.

...Congress-persons, John McCain, etc. The list goes on and on ...

John McCain was a fine soldier but was a useless Congressman. And what, now all Congressmen are saints and can not be criticized? Please.

Once again, Trump said out of his own mouth ... that he wanted to seat a new Justice to benefit his claim on the presidency, ... in case litigation about the election went before the Supreme Court ...

Then you should be able to quote the exact words which Trump supposedly spoke in regard appointing a new Justice to the Supreme Court.

 

[A_Thinker]

Predominantly the consequence is informing the Leftist Order Of The Perpetually Offended And Outraged Class he isn't just going to stand around and take their crap.



'Us' intelligence? Who exactly would that be and what exactly did they say?



Ah, yes, the nebulous and mystical "The Russians Did It!" claim, founded upon nothing but the lies and deceit of people like Peter Strzok, James Comey, Christopher Steele and, oh yeah, seventeen, Seventeen I Say, All Seventeen Intelligence Agencies!, as often cited here on these very forums as proof positive Trump was a Russian Spy as reported by the New York Times!

Except, in regard to those seventeen intelligence agencies (which, by the way, no one here could ever name when I and others here asked them to), the claim amounted to just another lie. Quote:

1. The ’17 Intel Agencies’ Lie

The media perpetuated a false claim from presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for months, insisting that all 17 intelligence agencies agree that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. The New York Times, for example, rated that claim as true only to later say the exact opposite.

Only four intelligence agencies ultimately deemed Russia responsible for meddling because the other 13 have no business making judgments on the claim. As The NYT succinctly explained, “The rest were doing other work.”

The American people at large voted Trump into office. The American left simply has refused to accept this simple fact.



Another intentional distortion. What Trump has stated is his obvious and completely justified lack of trust in and for the machinations of the Democrat Party Machine. Stealing elections is what the Democrat Party machine does. Quote:

"The insider revealed how Democrats rig elections by paying homeless voters, taking advantage of elderly in nursing homes, fraudulently posing as registered voters, printing up phony ballots and actually removing real ballots from envelopes and replacing them with counterfeit ballots."

This from the Washington Examiner, quote:

"An anonymous Democratic operative revealed he has been rigging mail-in ballots for decades.

He added, according to the New York Post, that “fraud is more the rule than the exception” when it comes to mail-in voting."

From the New York Post, quote:

Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

"A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades."

The Democrat Party is clamoring for universal mail-in voting for one reason and one reason only; it allows them the easiest and most effective means to defy the will of the American People and steal the Presidential election. Quote (source previously provided):

He added: “They are using coronavirus as their means to try to institute universal mail-in voting, which means sending every registered voter a ballot whether they asked for one or not. Voter rolls are notoriously full of bad addresses for people who have moved, are noncitizens, or are even deceased. Universal mail-in voting invites chaos and severe delays in results, as proven by the New York congressional primary, where we still don’t know who won after more than a month.”

Perhaps you should think about that.



So? If they refused to disperse or relocate at the request and/or order of the Police then their status as peaceful protestors ceased to exist.



A lie. He disparaged drug runners, child traffickers, and rapist. You know, a significant percentage of the Democrat Party base.



Another lie. You are aware that other countries have institutional governments of their own, yes?



Another lie. He spoke to a possibility in context of a particular type of woman. You know, the type, I guess, Hillary Clinton was referring to when she employed the term "Bimbo Eruption."



This is, again, an absolute lie, and confirmed as such by those who were actually present at the event. This list of people includes John Bolton.



John McCain was a fine soldier but was a useless Congressman. And what, now all Congressmen are saints and can not be criticized? Please.



Then you should be able to quote the exact words which Trump supposedly spoke in regard appointing a new Justice to the Supreme Court.

You've obviously been blinded by the Trump blather. I'll be thinking of you (and many others) when Trump is escorted out of the White House next spring.

Until then, I have no more time for you ...

 

[Sistrin]

Until then, I have no more time for you ...

I believe most people here intelligent enough to translate this line on their own.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Make no mistake my comment was based on the government stealing from me to give to someone else. Christians have an obligation both individually and through the church to aid other Christians who are poor and needy. We are under no obligation to aid the lazy or wicked. There are obviously some people deserving of charity, scripture often speaks of widows and folks with significant disabilities who need help from the church. This obligation is in favor of poor Christians not society as a whole.

Again you are wrong the parable of the good Samaritan proves that. Love the lord your god and love your neighbor...Christ clearly says everyone is your neighbor...Christ also says those who ignore the poor and those in need go to hell. When you see a homeless person on the side of the rode holding up a sign asking for help and you ignoring you are ignoring one the two most important of Christs Commands. If you want to keep arguing it I can bring out more scripture. The two most important commandments are the two most ignored. First your say basically someone else's problems are not yours's then you go back on that and say your obligation is to poor Christians....Christ says everyone is your neighbor.

Luke 12:33-34 (NIV)
“Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”

The poor and the disabled are the poor and the disabled no matter there religious beliefs.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Hitler was hardly under the radar. He attempted a coup, served time in prison and wrote a best selling book. The national socialists had almost no say in the government until Hitler was named chancellor. There were no slow changes with thr Nazi's. Within months after being named chancellor Hitler was dictator. Everything he did as head of state he wrote about in Mein Kampf, the economic policies, the wars, the obvious desire to ris Germany of political opponents and Jews. It was all there, everyone knew. Where is any of this with Trump? It doesn't exist but calling him Hitler makes leftists feel good about themselves because it gives them a boogeyman to hate.

And again Trump based his entire first campaign on racism and bigotry. He game people someone to blame there problems on...illegal immigrants, the poor, minorities, he did this on every media outlet you can say fake news...you all know what he is, for me its not about republican or democrat it is about who can do the best job. You republicans could have picked any republican politician and they would have one. You picked man who has been accused of rape multiple times...he has cheated on all of his wives and stiffed the people working for him...most of this is long before he was president. His Character is that of a liar, cheat, thief and sexual predator. I want my president to be able to play dirty cause politics is not about playing fair. But I also want them to be able to do there job. Trump has failed miserably on handling covid..scream your fake news all you want...the rest of world looks at Trump and most republicans as fools.

 

[Redwingfan9]

And again Trump based his entire first campaign on racism and bigotry. He game people someone to blame there problems on...illegal immigrants, the poor, minorities, he did this on every media outlet you can say fake news...you all know what he is, for me its not about republican or democrat it is about who can do the best job. You republicans could have picked any republican politician and they would have one. You picked man who has been accused of rape multiple times...he has cheated on all of his wives and stiffed the people working for him...most of this is long before he was president. His Character is that of a liar, cheat, thief and sexual predator. I want my president to be able to play dirty cause politics is not about playing fair. But I also want them to be able to do there job. Trump has failed miserably on handling covid..scream your fake news all you want...the rest of world looks at Trump and most republicans as fools.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and I won't vote for him in November. My opposition is based on his economic policy, I believe in free trade and he believes in big government protectionism. I also oppose his personal life, which is abhorant.

That said, to say he ran in 2016 on racism and bigotry is asinine. Opposing illegal immigration is not racist. In fact, Trump won more of the black and Hispanic vote in 2016 than any Republican since Reagan. If polls are to be believed, he's likely to gain among both those groups this year. That suggests that his campaign isn't really based in racism or bigotry.

I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Quite frankly, the rest of the world always complains when we have a Republican President and thus their whining about Trump is irrelevant. Had the Republicans nominated my guy in 2016, Ted Cruz, the world would have whined about him too.

 

[Jamsie]

Ah, yes, the nebulous and mystical "The Russians Did It!" claim, founded upon nothing but the lies and deceit of people like Peter Strzok, James Comey, Christopher Steele and, oh yeah, seventeen, Seventeen I Say, All Seventeen Intelligence Agencies!, as often cited here on these very forums as proof positive Trump was a Russian Spy as reported by the New York Times!

Yes, "seventeen" was wrong however, it does not effect the facts that are known and come forth...even by the republican led intelligence committee.

"The Intelligence Community was correct in its assessment of Russian meddling in the lead-up to the 2016 elections, a bipartisan report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday concluded."

Bipartisan Senate report reaffirms intelligence findings that Russia meddled in 2016 elections

"The investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome," the Mueller report said, adding that President Donald Trump's campaign "expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."

Mueller Report Confirms Intelligence Findings About Russian Meddling

The statement by H.R. McMaster at the Munich Security Conference stood in stark contrast to Trump’s oft repeated claim that Russian interference in his election victory was a hoax.

“As you can see with the FBI indictment, the evidence is now really incontrovertible and available in the public domain,” McMaster told a Russian delegate to the conference.

Trump adviser: Russian meddling 'incontrovertible'

Another intentional distortion. What Trump has stated is his obvious and completely justified lack of trust in and for the machinations of the Democrat Party Machine. Stealing elections is what the Democrat Party machine does. Quote:

Yes, as noted by a republican president, and a republican senate...and a few years ago president, house, and senate...what an effective machine! FBI Director Wray: "We have not seen, historically, any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it's by mail or otherwise."(time to bring out the "deep state" nonsense!)

And FEC commissioner -
FEC commissioner: 'No basis' for Trump claims voting by mail leads to fraud

Top US election officials say mail-in voting doesn’t lead to widespread voter fraud

"One of the fullest investigations on this theme came out of Iowa. In 2012, the Republican Secretary of State Matt Schultz revealed that more than 1,000 registered voters had indicated at some point that they were not citizens yet nevertheless, had still voted.

A full criminal investigation followed. It produced one guilty verdict, involving a Bosnian who as a felon was doubly ineligible. When the state issued its final report in 2014, six cases were still in process.

That’s one guilty verdict — involving a felon — out of nearly 2.2 million registered voters in 2012. Even if the additional six were found guilty, it would be a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of 1 percent."
*************

"The Heritage Foundation (very much right leaning!) maintains an online database of election fraud cases in the United States and reports that there have been just over 1,200 cases of vote fraud of all forms, resulting in 1,100 criminal convictions, over the past 20 years. Of these, 204 involved the fraudulent use of absentee ballots; 143 resulted in criminal convictions."

"One hundred forty-three cases of fraud using mailed ballots over the course of 20 years comes out to seven to eight cases per year, nationally. It also means that across the 50 states, there has been an average of three cases per state over the 20-year span. That is just one case per state every six or seven years. We are talking about an occurrence that translates to about 0.00006 percent of total votes cast."
*************

There have been many threads here at CF on voter fraud, and it seems that in the final analysis what is true is that widesread voter fraud remains a myth...even debunked by those states (with Republicans at the helm) that rely heavily on mail-in. Now, election fraud seems to have been a republican "machine": Simple to look up -Leslie McCrae Dowless or Cheryl Hall....Sorry, parroting false claims about mail-in fraud is a non-starter...well, based on current evidence!
Perhaps you should think about that.

So? If they refused to disperse or relocate at the request and/or order of the Police then their status as peaceful protestors ceased to exist.

"Sen. Ben Sasse (R–Neb.) was exactly right in observing this morning that "there is a fundamental—a Constitutional—right to protest, and I'm against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop."

*I know another RINO...anyone who disagrees with trump is a RINO! A reasoned solution would have been to forego the PHONEY photo op...which was meaningless except to his supporters and schedule another time for such photo op for pandering to his base.

Clearing Out Lafayette Park for Trump's Church Photo Op Was Wrong, Even If Cops Didn't Use Tear Gas

A lie. He disparaged drug runners, child traffickers, and rapist. You know, a significant percentage of the Democrat Party base.

Yes, which by any considered interpretation is the vast majority of Mexicans ... "I assume, some...".
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems," Trump said in a speech at Trump Tower in New York. "They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting."

A simple look at the statement exposes trump..."Mexico sends its people" - is there evidence that there exists a policy of sending the "dregs" to the US? Of course "They aren't sending you" - those addressed don't live in Mexico. Telling - "...and some, I assume, are good people".

"The Texas research is consistent with the finding that crime along the Mexican border is much lower than in the rest of the country, homicide rates in Mexican states bordering the United States are not correlated with homicide rates here, El Paso’s border fence did not lower crime, Texas criminal conviction rates remain low (but not as low) when recidivism is factored in, and that police clearance rates are not lower in states with many illegal immigrants – which means that they don’t escape conviction by leaving the country after committing crimes."

Illegal Immigrants and Crime – Assessing the Evidence

Do Mexican Immigrants "Cause" Crime? | Department of Criminology

Oh, lets not forget the trump tactic when he simply spews whatever he feels like saying, most often without evidence:

"Women are tied up, they're bound, duct tape put around their faces, around their mouths," he told reporters. "In many cases, they can't even breathe. They're put in the backs of cars or vans or trucks."

Then again he stated: "I mean, you have hundreds of miles of open space, and they go out there, and they're loaded up with drugs or they have women in the backseat of the cars with duct tape all over the place," he said at a meeting on trade policy.

Now, the border patrol or other agencies such as Homeland Security could provide no such evidence...interesting isn't it?

Fact Check: No evidence for Trump's tales of duct-taped women, prayer rugs at border

Do you understand a bit why "Until then, I have no more time for you ...", is appropriate. Such feckless remarks as "You know, a significant percentage of the Democrat Party base." only demonstrates what a pointless effort to engage. "I believe most people here intelligent enough to translate this line on their own." ... true, so even this response is pointless but the info was readily available!

This is, again, an absolute lie, and confirmed as such by those who were actually present at the event. This list of people includes John Bolton.

This is what Bolton said too:
"But Bolton, who published a book earlier this year that was heavily critical of his former boss, said the alleged remarks sounded accurate."

“I have not heard anybody say, ‘Oh, that doesn’t sound like the Donald Trump I know,’” Bolton said in the interview. Bolton said the remarks may have stemmed from Trump’s skepticism of U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“He was prone to say from time to time: ‘What did they get out of it? What was the worth of the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan?’” Bolton said. “That is a kind of insensitivity that Trump does have, there’s no doubt about it.”

And you do know that the Goldberg article was confirmed in part by other sources including Griffin from Fox news.

Then you should be able to quote the exact words which Trump supposedly spoke in regard appointing a new Justice to the Supreme Court.

"I think this will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine Justices," Trump told reporters after discussing election issues with a group of Republican state attorneys general.

“I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling — it’s a scam. This scam will be before the United States Supreme Court and I think having the four-four situation is not a good situation if you get that,” Trump told reporters during an event in the White House Cabinet Room.

“I don’t know that you’d get that. I think it should be eight-nothing or nine-nothing. But just in case it would be more political that is should be, I think it’s very important to have a ninth justice.”

So as always anything trump says or does requires an interpreter or translator thus the huckabee sanders (though at least sanders admitted she lied about Comey/FBI) playbook with trump supporters parroting -

1. He didn't really say that.
2. He didn't really mean that.
3. It was a joke or satire, of course. Don't you know about jokes, don't you underrstand satire?
4. That's the exact opposite of what he meant.
5. He never meant that to be taken literally.
6. You've got to stop listening to the words, that's not what this is all about.
7. You are just interpreting the statement to exploit your left wing bias
8. He is the president, so whatever he says is all the truth you need.
9. All people lie or have you never lied?
11. Donald Trump is certainly a different kind of Politician
12. Who am I to judge...
13. The voters have spoken ...
14. Its just trump being trump...
20. Its the left wing media
22. You can find negative things to say about anyone.
23. When I vote I'm not voting for the Pastor of my local church, I'm voting for someone who can do the job being voted on.
24. Attack the messenger not the substance of the charge
25. The democrats are just sore losers because of the 2016 election.
26. If you disagree you are a "Hater".

As noted I appreciate that in your view any republican who speaks against trump is a RINO. Also, much of what you post is quite open to debate regarding his comments on soldiers, McCain - Veterans Choice, etc. so not appropriate perhaps to argue such at present. However, one understands the merit of A_Thinker in "Until then, I have no more time for you ...".

 

[Sistrin]

As if...

Yes, "seventeen" was wrong...

You state that as if this simple admission that yes, we lied continually about the number of intelligence agencies blathering about Trump/Russia collusion justifies all the gaslighting which follows. It doesn't. The Democrat Party, the Main-stream Media, leftist in general, and members right here on these very forums promoted and vigorously defended a falsehood for one reason and one reason only, because in their minds their opposition of and hatred for President Trump justified any bad act.

And you are still at it:

...however, it does not effect the facts that are known and come forth...even by the republican led intelligence committee.

"The Intelligence Community was correct in its assessment of Russian meddling in the lead-up to the 2016 elections...

You do understand there is a profound difference between the claim "the Russians meddled" in an election and the claim of "Trump/Russia Collusion."

The former has been occurring since the early 18th Century. The latter never happened.

The former has been official Russian/Soviet state policy since 1917. The latter never happened.

The New Peter Strzok Notes Just Made the NYT Look Like Bigger Idiots Over Their Trump-Russia Collusion Peddling

“The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation,” that’s what the Times had in their piece. It’s one of the many bombshells that turned out to be nothing burgers, part of the liberal media’s Russia fetish that turned into one of the biggest, if not the biggest, journalism fails ever."

As reported by NBC News, quote:

"Barr quoted Mueller's report, which he said stated: "(T)he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

And by the The Washington Times as published on Tuesday, August 18 of 2020, quote:

No collusion in 2016 between Trump campaign and Russia: Senate Intelligence Committee report

"The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election...

The fifth and final volume of the panel’s report on Russian meddling in the 2016 election largely mirrored the conclusions of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe, which also failed to show a Trump-Russia conspiracy."

What you are attempting to claim is because Russia, as a matter of State policy, attempted to exert some form of influence on the American election Trump is therefor guilty of collusion. That the former proves the latter. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

From the very CNN article you cited, an article published in 2018 incidentally, quote:

“I’m surprised there are any Russian cyber experts available based on how active most of them have been undermining our democracies in the West,” he said to laughter. “So I would just say that we would love to have a cyber dialogue when Russia is sincere.”

This an admission the Russians have been doing what the Russians have been doing for decades and that the US Intelligence communities are and were fully aware of it. Aktivinyye meropriatia.

From the same article, quote:

"President Donald Trump’s national security adviser said Saturday there was “incontrovertible” evidence of a Russian plot to disrupt the 2016 U.S. election..."

Even if true, this again serves as zero proof of the underlying claim.

Trump did not steal the 2016 election. Hillary Clinton lost that election.
The Trump Campaign did not collude with the Russian government in order to steal the 2016 election. Hillary Clinton lost that election.
Russian efforts to "meddle" in American politics do not constitute proof of wrongdoing on the part of President Trump.

"The investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome,"

So? Again, the fact the Russians might have "perceived" the potential of a possible benefit if Trump won the election constitutes absolutely zero proof either Trump or the Trump campaign participated in a conspiracy and colluded with the Russians to steal the 2016 election, which was and remains the exact claim made by the TDS Democrat crowd.

Yes, as noted by a republican president, and a republican senate...and a few years ago president, house, and senate...what an effective machine! FBI Director Wray: "We have not seen, historically, any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it's by mail or otherwise."

This a poor attempt at slight of hand. The key word in that quote is 'national,' as if some guy in Dade County Florida would have to talk to some guy in Gallatin County Montana to coordinate an effort to manufacture votes. Again, it is what Democrats do.

Have you never heard the name Boss Tweed? That aside, Michigan, North Carolina and Pennsylvania have all passed legislation allowing ballots to be counted for up to nine days following the election. Do you not see the problem here?

Trump will win in North Carolina on election night, and probably Pennsylvania as well. The Democrat operatives in those States will immediately go into manufacture mode because they will know exactly how many votes they need to 'find' in order to over turn the election.

The Democrats have done this before, quote:

"The neck-and-neck race took almost a week to call. The former Air Force pilot initially led her Democratic challenger by about 16,000 votes the day after Election Day. However, the slow count of mail-in ballots pushed Sinema into the lead and eventually handed her victory."

The Democrats attempted the same in the 2018 Georgia Governor race, to the point where Stacy Abrams still believes she won that election. She didn't, but who cares about that?

Al Franken won his Senate seat via voter fraud, with some 400 convicted felons voting combined with ballots found in the trunk of a car.

The most glaring and obvious example of Democrat fraudulent tactics is the 2000 Presidential election, where out of one side of their mouths the Democrats were bleating about how "all the votes should count," and "count all the votes!" while out of the other side of their mouths insisting only the votes in four specific heavily Democrat populated counties should be counted.

And FEC commissioner...

Did you even read that article?

Quote:

"In a more than 60-tweet thread on the subject..."

Wow, a Twitter rant. That is your evidence Democrats do not engage in voter fraud, because some one ranted about it on Twitter.

From that article, quote:

"She pointed to states that already hold elections entirely by mail..."

This is a lie. Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah conduct vote by mail but not entirely by mail. Voters in each of those states are permitted to vote in person if they so choose.

In addition, quote:

"Weintraub invoked polls displaying Americans' growing support for mail-in ballots..."

Anyone can find a poll which supports any political assertion, and Weintraub citing a poll during a Twitter rant proves nothing.

In addition voter fraud is only one arrow in the Democrat quiver. Quote:

"Between 2012 and 2018, 28.3 million mail-in ballots remain unaccounted for, according to data from the federal Election Assistance Commission. The missing ballots amount to nearly one in five of all absentee ballots and ballots mailed to voters residing in states that do elections exclusively by mail."

And quote:

"Using Election Assistance Commission numbers, the foundation said 1.1 million of those ballots were deemed undeliverable to the addresses where they were sent. More than 430,000 others were rejected by elections officials, and more than 10 million — about a quarter of those sent — were “unaccounted for,” according to the data."

"One hundred forty-three cases of fraud using mailed ballots over the course of 20 years comes out to seven to eight cases per year, nationally."

Even if these numbers were true, one hundred forty-three cases of fraud using mailed ballots proves fraud using mailed ballots.

And to illustrate an additional flaw in your logic:

...even debunked by those states (with Republicans at the helm) that rely heavily on mail-in.

The key phrase here is "Republicans at the helm." During the 1960 Presidential election blatant and now well-documented Democrat fraud was orchestrated by guys like Richard Daley and Lyndon Johnson. Daley headed the Democrat political machine in Chicago, while Johnson did the same in Texas.

Democrat stole the gubernatorial race from Dino Rossie in 2004. I have already mentioned Al Franken. Democrats employed “ballot-harvesting” to steal at least seven congressional seats in California in 2018.

We are talking about a political party which champions abortion on demand, MS-13, anarchy in the streets, a party which claims rioting and looting and murder amount to nothing more than peaceful protest. I mean listen to this pitiful and witless attempt to employ Orwellian double-speak:

That aside a political party now bolstered with its own enforcement arm in Antifa, a political party which is only too happy to use violence to enforce its will, just as they did in the past with the creation of the KKK. A party which, in regard to Covid 19, is happier the more people they can claim died or will die from the virus.

Biden claims 200 MILLION Americans will die of Covid-19 ‘by the time I finish THIS TALK’

"Presidential hopeful Joe Biden issued a stark warning to Americans, saying that “200 million people will die” of Covid-19 by the end of his short speech. Biden’s wacky math once again raised concern over his mental fitness."

Do you really think voter fraud is beyond them?

EDIT: Continued below.

 

[Sistrin]

Continued from above:

"Sen. Ben Sasse (R–Neb.) was exactly right in observing this morning that "there is a fundamental—a Constitutional—right to protest...

A red-herring. No one said there wasn't. Not President Trump, not any of his staff, not any Republican, not any Conservative.

These "peaceful protestors" were defacing St. John's Episcopal Church. Trump went there to show the adults in the room he opposed such activity and wouldn't just stand by while it happened.

Rioters Burn Historic St. John's Church in D.C., Deface Monuments Across the City

"Meanwhile, more than 50 Secret Service agents have been injured tonight by the “peaceful protesters.” The city is under a curfew and under the protection of the National Guard, but that hasn’t stopped the rioters from causing mayhem and destruction across the city."

Apparently, given the disparate acts of President Trump attempting to show leadership and solidarity for those opposed to destroying the country and a bunch of anarchist engaged in destroying same, the one which angers you is the former.

In addition, from the very article you cited, quote:

"Park Police have claimed they didn't know of Trump's plans to walk to the church, and that they began clearing the area prior to the curfew going into effect..."

Look up what the term curfew means. The rest of that article is just sour grapes.

This:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting."

Is known of as telling the truth.

Allow me to ask you a question. I don't believe you will answer it, but regardless. Within the mass of illegal immigrants entering the United States, are there drug dealers and other criminals? And who would know better than the US border guards?

As for precedent, look into the Mariel Boat-lift of 1980.

...those addressed don't live in Mexico.

Those addressed were citizens of the United States.

"The Texas research is consistent with the finding that crime along the Mexican border is much lower than in the rest of the country...

Those who come here illegally do not all stay at cites along the Mexican border. That is why you find MS-13 gang members running drugs in small communities such as Thurmont, Maryland. But I understand, if the crime rate in a town such as Thurmont, Maryland could be used in some manner to denigrate Trump, you would be concerned about it.

From one of the articles you linked, quote:

El Paso Homicides Spiked After Border Fence Was Completed; The Fence Didn’t Cause It

This sentence, the title of the cited article, is an oxymoron. The most glaring and obvious flaw of the article is the author bases his figures on the default but inane assumption the only path via which those who went on to commit violent crimes to get into El Paso was through where the Border Fence was built.

In addition, the central issue is one you, and the American left in general, always ignore but can't get around. As a nation we have no choice but to deal with our own home-grown criminal element. We do have a choice whether to import some other countries criminal element.

"Women are tied up, they're bound, duct tape put around their faces, around their mouths," he told reporters. "In many cases, they can't even breathe. They're put in the backs of cars or vans or trucks."

What is your point here? That if ABC can't find an actual woman with duct-tape over her mouth being held by human traffickers there is no human trafficking? Or that human trafficking is somehow humane because human traffickers don't actually used duct-tape? Are you defending human trafficking because Trump spoke out against it? Because that is certainly how both the article cited and you come across in your response.

From the article you cited, quote:

"According to the Human Trafficking Legal Center, most foreign-born human trafficking victims enter the United States with legal visas believing they will be given a chance to work legitimate jobs. Others may cross illegally with the hopes of finding work in the U.S., only to be trafficked into forced labor once they've crossed the border."

Ah, well, that must make it ok because not finding any duct-tape means we can call President Trump names.

Such feckless remarks as "You know, a significant percentage of the Democrat Party base."

Tell us, who is it out in the streets on a daily basis rioting, looting, burning stuff down, seizing areas of land and deeming them as autonomous zones, blocking the entry paths to hospitals, gunning down police officers while they are on duty just sitting in their car, attacking the elderly? Who is doing all of that?

Immolate your local fascist. Hmmm, yeah, that sounds peaceful.

The Hammer and Sickle. Wonder who she will be voting for?

Imagery of a white person on the ground getting their head smashed in? No racism here, I am sure.

"This is what Bolton said too:

"But Bolton, who published a book earlier this year that was heavily critical of his former boss, said the alleged remarks sounded accurate."

Oh, it sounded accurate. Well, gee, how could anyone argue with logic like that?

"And you do know that the Goldberg article was confirmed in part by other sources including Griffin from Fox news.

I read Griffin's article. It cited the usual anonymous source. Between the two articles a grand total of six anonymous sources. In other words, a charge based on zero actual evidence which you immediately and without question accept as the gospel truth because hate Trump hate Trump hate Trump.

This:

"I think this will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine Justices," Trump told reporters after discussing election issues with a group of Republican state attorneys general.

Is also known of as telling the truth. Further quote:

“I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling — it’s a scam. This scam will be before the United States Supreme Court and I think having the four-four situation is not a good situation if you get that,” Trump told reporters during an event in the White House Cabinet Room.

“I don’t know that you’d get that. I think it should be eight-nothing or nine-nothing. But just in case it would be more political that is should be, I think it’s very important to have a ninth justice.”

Every word of that is both accurate and true.

So as always anything trump says or does requires an interpreter or translator...

Not if you actually think about it. Not if you are capable of thinking rationally.

As noted I appreciate that in your view any republican who speaks against trump is a RINO.

I never said that. It is disingenuous at best for you to claim otherwise.

...the merit of A_Thinker in "Until then, I have no more time for you ..."

The merit is sanctimony. little more.

 

[Jamsie]

You state that as if this simple admission that yes, we lied continually about the number of intelligence agencies blathering about Trump/Russia collusion justifies all the gaslighting which follows. It doesn't. The Democrat Party, the Main-stream Media, leftist in general, and members right here on these very forums promoted and vigorously defended a falsehood for one reason and one reason only, because in their minds their opposition of and hatred for President Trump justified any bad act.

And you still attempt to deflect from the salient point that Russia undertook and succeeded in a massive effort through disinformation to benefit trump, to undermine American institutions, disparage the military, and to create such division within the American public at large. (You might have noticed that NYT, and other media all retracted the "17 agencies" ...though the core truth remains) It has been very successful, and aided by trump clever self aggrandizement to spew vitriol and distortions to anyone or anything that disagrees or criticizes his "absolute" authority. Yes, trump defeated clinton but he needed to dismiss his loss of the popular vote ( 3to 5 million illegal voters - and to downplay and deny Russian disinformation goals) as such was a threat to his ego. As Burr stated - "Their aim is to sow chaos, discord, and distrust, ..."

You do understand there is a profound difference between the claim "the Russians meddled" in an election and the claim of "Trump/Russia Collusion."

Yes, because "collusion" is not a federal crime (except in some circumstances) yet there is more to it in terms of the trump campaign seeking to gain info from Russia against clinton that would be advantageous. Thus the myriad contacts and of course don, jr. meeting in trump tower does and should violate election laws. Again, you can minimize the term "meddle" but it was much more of a Russian operation than simply an attempt to put trump in office. As the Mueller report notes - Trump’s campaign “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.” The Senate report also elaborates on both manafort and stone - trump's campaign chairman manafort and kilimnik - Stone's contacts with trump and other campaign officials with wikileaks... and of course false conspiracy theories concerning Ukraine.

It seems an easy out to simply claim "No Collusion" when in fact the Russian operation was so successful aided by trump, and continues to do so, as is evident from this discussion! So it is that such "meddling" has been used in the past by many players... how can one not see how successful Russian has been of late. Oh, do we forget one of the many lies by trump that he didn't seek to fire Mueller... McGahn squashed that falsehood.

The New Peter Strzok Notes Just Made the NYT Look Like Bigger Idiots Over Their Trump-Russia Collusion Peddling

And lets be clear that Strzok also wrote: Mr. Trump is hopelessly corrupt and a national security threat. The investigations that Mr. Strzok oversaw showed the President's "willingness to accept political assistance from an opponent like Russia — and, it follows, his willingness to subvert everything America stands for"
*You know like Russia is seeking to accomplish...

Then this: News broke Wednesday from a whistleblower within the Department of Homeland Security team. Senior official Brian Murphy said in a whistleblower complaint that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on the Russian threat in the 2020 election. According to the DHS report, Murphy was told to stop because it “made the President look bad,” an instruction he believed would jeopardize national security.

Where we can agree is that the right chooses to interpret information to defend trump and the left to accuse trump... I see the problem as one where people take each statement, action, and behavior in isolation whereas there exists a clear pattern of such that leads to a more considered position. One can therefore dismiss the leanings of bias within the news, the bias of trump officials (remember even a Christian like Ms. huckabee-sanders lied to defend trump), and simply make determinations from the bald-faced facts, rhetoric, and such. Russia may have "perceived" but such perception became a reality... you claim TDS when there is as much TDS from the trump supporter crowd

What you are attempting to claim is because Russia, as a matter of State policy, attempted to exert some form of influence on the American election Trump is therefor guilty of collusion. That the former proves the latter. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

This was addressed as to Russia's goal which was quite successful. You need not attempt to tell me what I am claiming... The senate report notes: The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help.

Trump denied his campaign had any contact with Russia:

*The trump tower meeting was about Russian adoption remember? (Poor Sekulow-Poor huckabee-sanders)
*Turns out trump dictated the tower statement.
*But then trump claimed - “to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics ― and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!”
*Of course then to he was informed in Aug. 2016 that Russia was behind the leaked emails. Yet trump denied knowing and suggested perhaps a 400lb. man sitting in bed...
*On and on it goes...pattern of behavior.

We are talking about a political party which champions abortion on demand, MS-13, anarchy in the streets, a party which claims rioting and looting and murder amount to nothing more than peaceful protest. A party with its own enforcement arm in Antifa, a political party which is only too happy to use violence to enforce its will, just as they did in the past with the creation of the KKK. A party which, in regard to Covid 19, is happier the more people they can claim died from the virus.
Do you really think voter fraud is beyond them?

(I'll dismiss your last paragraph as most reasoned people would understand exactly why it is so much blather)

No more than it is by republicans! There have been a number of threads on voter fraud on CF and if you want why not peruse them. As is most often the case assertions are made, such as Wisconsin 2004, franken, etc. but they neglect to see what the investigation into voter fraud yielded. It might be wise to post the final determinations rather then just claims of fraud... such can be found in Texas, Kansas, Florida, Iowa, etc. or the Bush federal investigation or even the trump federal investigation. The fact remains that voter fraud is rare...not that it doesn't exist but that it represents "a fraction of a fraction of a fraction..." without resorting to Tweed or even Conkling. Then there is this... Trump campaign fails to show evidence of vote-by-mail fraud, filing reveals

To be continued.........

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

You voted for Obama. So you don't get to criticize others for "supporting unchristian things ".

Your right I voted Obama on his second term that's because Romney disgust me as much as Trump does. I supported Bush and I voted for McCain sadly he lost...the thing even McCain and I dare you to say he was a not a republican, though trump was a joke. You see when I voted for a president I want them to be a liar a cheat and play dirty because nice people do not make good leaders...but I want the them to be competent at what they do. Trump has a been a complete failure at dealing with the covid problem. He pretended it was not a big deal, that no one had anything to worry about then fired those best qualified to handled covid and he gave the job to someone who was not qualified...and that is fact news I checked multiple news outlets is very much a fact...I said it early, If Adolf Hitler was still alive an a US citizen the republican party would make him president just to keep a democrat out. And you know Obama did try to do a good job and he did...he was willing to work with the republican party, the republicans are on record as saying they would do everything they could to sabotage his presidency. They were more interested in screwing him over than doing there job. They would not let him pick a new Supreme Court Justice they said wait till next president is in office...then when we are faced with the situation again all of a sudden they want to take care of it now...its hypocrites...and another thing Jesus Christ would have been a liberal lol

 

[Jamsie]

A red-herring. No one said there wasn't. Not President Trump, not any of his staff, not any Republican, not any Conservative.

These "peaceful protestors" were defacing St. John's Episcopal Church. Trump went there to show the adults in the room he opposed such activity and wouldn't just stand by while it happened. Look up what the term curfew means. The rest of that article is just sour grapes.

I believe the defacing occurred the day or evening before... Did he try to contact them by phone after the incident/damage, if he was so concerned? Did trump go inside to see the damage? Why not just accept that it was an opportunity put to trump for a photo op, that is all! No need to go through all of the mental gymnastics ... Hope Hicks hatched the plan! Have to keep his base in line... The overwhelming consensus was that it was unnecessary to disperse a peaceful protest at that time *and it was before the curfew...as you know. So no "red herring" a simple purpose involved as noted, and the Church leaders agree..

Is known of as telling the truth.

Allow me to ask you a question. I don't believe you will answer it, but regardless. Within the mass of illegal immigrants entering the United States, are there drug dealers and other criminals? And who would know better than the US border guards?

Yes, but as trump said the majority would be drug dealers and criminals...so where was this stated by the Border Patrol? So it is "telling the truth" that the majority of Mexicans are drug dealers and criminals...do you have a source?

El Paso Homicides Spiked After Border Fence Was Completed; The Fence Didn’t Cause It

This sentence, the title of the cited article, is an oxymoron. The most glaring and obvious flaw of the article is the author bases his figures on the default but inane assumption the only path via which those who went on to commit violent crimes to get into El Paso was through where the Border Fence was built.

No it isn't, read the article...it is explained. It simply requires one to read the article which notes of spikes and drops...

"Jon Barela, the chief executive officer of the Borderplex Alliance, which leads economic development efforts in the El Paso region, used similar pointed language on Twitter. He is a former top aide to New Mexico Republican Governor Susana Martinez, and narrowly lost an Albuquerque congressional race in 2010. “President’s message about El Paso is a lie. El Paso was safe before the border wall. The President is living in an alternative universe based on a false narrative and offensive comments about our way of life. I say this as a life long Republican, businessman, and proud American.”

Simply put whatever trump spews without any knowledge or accurate information there will be a supporter defending his ignorance!

What is your point here? That if ABC can't find an actual woman with duct-tape over her mouth being held by human traffickers there is no human trafficking? Or that human trafficking is somehow humane because human traffickers don't actually used duct-tape? Are you defending human trafficking because Trump spoke out against it? Because that is certainly how both the article cited and you come across in your response.

Nice try...the point is that trump lied about women with duct tape...he could certainly have spoken out against without outrageous and unsubstantiated claims, couldn't he? It appears trump is incapable of just communicating facts without over-the-top exaggerations that actually detract from the reality - as you prove by what you wrote. Of course then he attempted to get the Border Patrol to confirm...which they could not...sad you can not comprehend the difference! Just finished loading the last bales into the barn a few days back, really don't need more "straw" thrown in!

Ah, well, that must make it ok because not finding any duct-tape means we can call President Trump names.

You have learned well from your trumpian lessons, distort what was said. The fact that trump lied about duct taped women speaks to his inability to honestly confront serious issues... that you can't see or admit speaks to your inabilities.

I read Griffin's article. It cited the usual anonymous source. Between the two articles a grand total of six anonymous sources. In other words, a charge based on zero actual evidence which you immediately and without question accept as the gospel truth because hate Trump hate Trump hate Trump.

And now you resort to the typical lame response... #26. If you disagree you are a "Hater". Actually, once again if you ever decide to give thought to patterns of rhetoric and behavior... there is sufficient for one to put merit in the sources.

Is also known of as telling the truth. Further quote:

“I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling — it’s a scam. This scam will be before the United States Supreme Court and I think having the four-four situation is not a good situation if you get that,” Trump told reporters during an event in the White House Cabinet Room.

Too bad a noted trump was unable to offer proof and evidence to the judge...sad really, isn't it?

Not if you actually think about it. Not if you are capable of thinking rationally.

I gave you a partial list from the huckabee-sanders/trump playbook which were simply said made to defend trump statements. Check them out ...rational, I've seen little proof!

The merit is sanctimony. little more.

Opinions vary... I think (yes, believe it or not - opening for your FS wit) it is very appropriate given some of your rants...hate...of those who disagree.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

How is COVID Trump's responsibility? Please show us where the Constitution gives the president that responsibility.

It becomes his problem when he lies about it and fires the people who are qualified to handle it and gives the job to unqualified idiot.

And you'd be the first in line to vote for him.

Know I said republicans would elect Adolph Hitler or heck even the grand dragon of heck the KKK into to office to avoid getting a democrat president.

Christ never advocated for the killing of children.

The bible says murder is punished by death...that strait from gods mouth. Another line is if you cause a woman to miscarage you must pay her husband a fine...so god did not consider the unborn child a human being because killing a human is punished by death not a fine. I hate to break it to you conservatives Christians but abortion is not murder if you follow the bible. Your hoopla on abortion is personal moral belief not a religious law....and quite frankly know one has the right to force there moral or religion for that matter onto another. I fully get the conservative Christians and Muslims have this much in common they think they have the right to force there beliefs onto others.

OK. Name something he was willing to compromise on with the Republicans.

He was not allowed the chance from day the republican did everything they could to sabotage his presidency, several republican senators referred to him as a (N word).

 

[Sistrin]

And you still attempt to deflect from the salient point that Russia undertook and succeeded in a massive effort through disinformation to benefit trump...

No. If you understood the nature of Russian political machinations you would know they engage in disinformation and subterfuge efforts to benefit themselves. Your claim is the Russians wanted Trump elected because they knew he would be some form of puppet and work at the behest of the Kremlin. That is nonsense, absolute nonsense, and to date not one scintilla of evidence has been presented to prove it true at any level.

Again, the Russians, and American intelligence, by the way, via the KGB and the CIA have been engaged in disinformation campaigns and attempts to manipulate election results sine the end of World War One. During the Cold War the Soviet Union under Stalin was famous for attempts to interfere in elections across Europe. Fomenting discord is their thing, and with the Democrat Party now jammed-up with willing devotees only too happy to help, it will get worse.

Just not for the reason you suggest.

DNI Clapper: Russians Did Not Change Any Vote Tallies in U.S. Elections

"Later in the hearing, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark) asked Clapper, “the intelligence community says, ‘It would be extremely difficult for someone – including a nation-state actor to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyberattack or intrusion,’ and you say to that earlier today as well that we have no evidence that vote tallies were altered or manipulated in anyway?”

“That’s correct,” Clapper said."

However if you want an example of true election interference, try this:

Report: Documents Show Obama Admin Interfered In Israeli Election

"Newly unearthed documents from The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) have shown the Obama administration interfered in the 2015 Israeli elections in an attempt to defeat Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, then misled Congress about it"

But I am sure that particular incident of election interference will be fine with you.

You might have noticed that NYT, and other media all retracted the "17 agencies"...

So? Does not change the fact all of them, and again members right here on these Christian Forums, promoted that lie repeatedly. And to date you are the only one I have seen admit it wasn't true.

Yes, trump defeated Clinton but he needed to dismiss his loss of the popular vote...

American Presidents are not elected via national popular vote. This should have been taught to you in High School.

...As Burr stated - "Their aim is to sow chaos, discord, and distrust, ..."

The aim of the Democrat Party is to sow chaos, discord, and distrust. Are you not paying attention to what is going on around you at this very minute?

The Embrace of Communism by The Socialist Democrat Party In Order to Win the 2020 Election

"The Democrats who have been doing everything possible, to close down the economy as a result of COVID-19, they are also saying the economic problems are President Trump’s fault. Hillary stated in a speech that the riots and anarchy in 400 cities over the last 6 months are President Trumps fault and will continue unless he is removed from office. The Main Stream Media continue in their non-stop attempts to delegitimatize the President building up to a fever pitch, with COVID-19 winding down, the newest alleged scandal is that President Trump is using the US Post Office to try to prevent Americans from voting in November. The Communist Party USA is leading the attacks, and one scandal after another, that haven’t stuck, to get rid of President Trump, and remove him from office."

Communist Party USA Announces Alignment With Democrats

"All the same, the National Committee of the Communist Party USA feels that at this point in time, Democrats best represent their own party’s ideals. In an in-depth write-up titled, “People’s World,” John Batchell, the current chairman of the organization, said that until a like-minded third party rises to prominence, his organization’s members need to support Democrats."

Democrat run cities and States are intentionally in shambles, because those Democrats in charge believe the more the people of their states are suffering the better the chance to defeat President Trump.

Democrats Are Fine With Watching America Burn

"As Americans around the country and the world celebrate the founding of the United States this weekend, Democrats have made it clear whose side they’re on when it comes to attacking the values and traditions that matter most."

Oh, and one more thing. I will now apply the same logic against a liberal idol and worshiped icon as many here and elsewhere constantly apply against President Trump.

Here ya go, proof positive Bernie Sanders is a Nazi:

...how can one not see how successful Russian has been of late.

They do have a significant percentage of the Democrat Party eating right out of their hand.

It’s the Democrats who Collude with the Russians

"Lastly, there are the nagging questions about why a number of Russian oligarchs and officials gave large sums of money to the Clinton Foundation, and what they expected to get in return.

In conclusion, there is a long history of Democrats’ collusion with the Soviet Union and now Russia."

Oh, and James Clapper said under oath:

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper admitted to the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday that the Russians did not alter vote counts in the U.S. election.

"They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort," Clapper said under questioning from Chairman John McCain (R.-Ariz.)"

And lets be clear that Strzok also wrote: Mr. Trump is hopelessly corrupt and a national security threat. The investigations that Mr. Strzok oversaw showed the President's "willingness to accept political assistance from an opponent like Russia — and, it follows, his willingness to subvert everything America stands for"

Someone lying appears to be some form of concern for you, therefore allow me to point out Peter Strzok is a liar, one by definition. If he is willing to lie to his wife in order to have an affair with another woman, he is willing to lie about anything.

Then this: News broke Wednesday from a whistleblower...

OH NO! Another whistleblower! Call Adam Schiff so he get into makeup and can roll his eyes in seventeen different directions at the same time!

In other words, another anonymous source was cited as having said something. Yawn...

I'll dismiss your last paragraph as most reasoned people would understand exactly why it is so much blather.

Actually, I included links to support each and every claim. Do you not remember Nancy Pelosi rushing to the microphones to defend MS-13 immediately after President Trump referred to them as animals?

Challenge for you. Conduct a bit of research into how MS-13 operates and then return here to see if you can defend Pelosi's comments.

There have been a number of threads on voter fraud on CF and if you want why not peruse them.

What makes you think I haven't?

I believe the defacing occurred the day or evening before...

Oh, well, that makes everything A-OK!

Nice try...the point is that trump lied about women with duct tape...

Your true motivations are showing here, and your quibbling over this issue is quite telling. You are defending human traffickers and human trafficking in the exact same manner as Nancy Pelosi defended MS-13 gang members and for the exact same reason. Because doing so allows you to issue a disparaging claim against President Trump.

Live with that.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

No. If you understood the nature of Russian political machinations you would know they engage in disinformation and subterfuge efforts to benefit themselves. Your claim is the Russians wanted Trump elected because they knew he would be some form of puppet and work at the behest of the Kremlin. That is nonsense, absolute nonsense, and to date not one scintilla of evidence has been presented to prove it true at any level.

Again, the Russians, and American intelligence, by the way, via the KGB and the CIA have been engaged in disinformation campaigns and attempts to manipulate election results sine the end of World War One. During the Cold War the Soviet Union under Stalin was famous for attempts to interfere in elections across Europe. Fomenting discord is their thing, and with the Democrat Party now jammed-up with willing devotees only too happy to help, it will get worse.

Just not for the reason you suggest.

DNI Clapper: Russians Did Not Change Any Vote Tallies in U.S. Elections

"Later in the hearing, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark) asked Clapper, “the intelligence community says, ‘It would be extremely difficult for someone – including a nation-state actor to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyberattack or intrusion,’ and you say to that earlier today as well that we have no evidence that vote tallies were altered or manipulated in anyway?”

“That’s correct,” Clapper said."

However if you want an example of true election interference, try this:

Report: Documents Show Obama Admin Interfered In Israeli Election

"Newly unearthed documents from The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) have shown the Obama administration interfered in the 2015 Israeli elections in an attempt to defeat Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, then misled Congress about it"

But I am sure that particular incident of election interference will be fine with you.



So? Does not change the fact all of them, and again members right here on these Christian Forums, promoted that lie repeatedly. And to date you are the only one I have seen admit it wasn't true.



American Presidents are not elected via national popular vote. This should have been taught to you in High School.



The aim of the Democrat Party is to sow chaos, discord, and distrust. Are you not paying attention to what is going on around you at this very minute?

The Embrace of Communism by The Socialist Democrat Party In Order to Win the 2020 Election

"The Democrats who have been doing everything possible, to close down the economy as a result of COVID-19, they are also saying the economic problems are President Trump’s fault. Hillary stated in a speech that the riots and anarchy in 400 cities over the last 6 months are President Trumps fault and will continue unless he is removed from office. The Main Stream Media continue in their non-stop attempts to delegitimatize the President building up to a fever pitch, with COVID-19 winding down, the newest alleged scandal is that President Trump is using the US Post Office to try to prevent Americans from voting in November. The Communist Party USA is leading the attacks, and one scandal after another, that haven’t stuck, to get rid of President Trump, and remove him from office."

Communist Party USA Announces Alignment With Democrats

"All the same, the National Committee of the Communist Party USA feels that at this point in time, Democrats best represent their own party’s ideals. In an in-depth write-up titled, “People’s World,” John Batchell, the current chairman of the organization, said that until a like-minded third party rises to prominence, his organization’s members need to support Democrats."

Democrat run cities and States are intentionally in shambles, because those Democrats in charge believe the more the people of their states are suffering the better the chance to defeat President Trump.

Democrats Are Fine With Watching America Burn

"As Americans around the country and the world celebrate the founding of the United States this weekend, Democrats have made it clear whose side they’re on when it comes to attacking the values and traditions that matter most."

Oh, and one more thing. I will now apply the same logic against a liberal idol and worshiped icon as many here and elsewhere constantly apply against President Trump.

Here ya go, proof positive Bernie Sanders is a Nazi:

They do have a significant percentage of the Democrat Party eating right out of their hand.

It’s the Democrats who Collude with the Russians

"Lastly, there are the nagging questions about why a number of Russian oligarchs and officials gave large sums of money to the Clinton Foundation, and what they expected to get in return.

In conclusion, there is a long history of Democrats’ collusion with the Soviet Union and now Russia."

Oh, and James Clapper said under oath:

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper admitted to the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday that the Russians did not alter vote counts in the U.S. election.

"They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort," Clapper said under questioning from Chairman John McCain (R.-Ariz.)"



Someone lying appears to be some form of concern for you, therefore allow me to point out Peter Strzok is a liar, one by definition. If he is willing to lie to his wife in order to have an affair with another woman, he is willing to lie about anything.



OH NO! Another whistleblower! Call Adam Schiff so he get into makeup and can roll his eyes in seventeen different directions at the same time!

In other words, another anonymous source was cited as having said something. Yawn...



Actually, I included links to support each and every claim. Do you not remember Nancy Pelosi rushing to the microphones to defend MS-13 immediately after President Trump referred to them as animals?

Challenge for you. Conduct a bit of research into how MS-13 operates and then return here to see if you can defend Pelosi's comments.



What makes you think I haven't?



Oh, well, that makes everything A-OK!



Your true motivations are showing here, and your quibbling over this issue is quite telling. You are defending human traffickers and human trafficking in the exact same manner as Nancy Pelosi defended MS-13 gang members and for the exact same reason. Because doing so allows you to issue a disparaging claim against President Trump.

Live with that.

First I might ignore the whole trump using Russia to get elected therfore hijacking the election and commiting treason if trump did not ask if he could pardon himself and fire the people investigating him.

You want to know which countries are the successful in todays world...the liberal ones, more jobs, better healthcare, less crime, gun control does not raise violent crimes it lowers it. The United States does not rank in the top 10. There are roughly 7 billion people on the planet, 300 mil roughly makes up the USA, about 35 percent of that makes up your conservative Republicans...the rest of the planet thinks you all are jokes.

The nice is the younger generation has more liberals than conservative...the conservative republicans are dying out...you guys got maybe another 20 years...by then all those teen liberals will be the ones in charge

 

[Jamsie]

Your true motivations are showing here, and your quibbling over this issue is quite telling. You are defending human traffickers and human trafficking in the exact same manner as Nancy Pelosi defended MS-13 gang members and for the exact same reason. Because doing so allows you to issue a disparaging claim against President Trump.

Live with that.

"Until then, I have no more time for you ..." the translation of this line is quite simple...there are times when it is worthwhile entertaining someone for a limited time who chooses to reside in an alternate reality. Cherry pick your "sources", ignore context, and dismiss the rest...

Trump blatantly lies about duct taped women...so now I'm defending trafficking? That sure is some alternate use of reason! My point was clearly made how such a serious issue should have been handled... The point was that the damage to the Church was not occurring during trump's photo op nonsense...but you avoid what was stated with an empty "A-OK" ... It is quit obvious that you choose to distort what is being said... another example was the 2016 election, I said "Yes, trump defeated clinton but he needed to dismiss his loss of the popular vote ( 3to 5 million illegal voters - and to downplay and deny Russian disinformation goals) as such was a threat to his ego." pathetic tact to question one's schooling from your constant misreading - Again, pick and choose how you respond , so much straw... (The video of pelosi clearly has her talking, as she stated, "undocumented immigrants" not MS-13...)

You somehow believe that your misapplied arrogance and pejorative comments win you brownie points, they probably do with the uninitiated, but in fact ring quite hollow.

"Live with that"... with what? Your hero LIED about duct tape...can't you admit that? Tunnel vision must be an awful burden to bear... Oh, one little point your attempt to frame the Covid-19 deaths as a delight to dems is the height of ignorance...but you probably know that!

 

[Sistrin]

Trump blatantly lies about duct taped women...

The question underlying the issue is painfully obvious here. How do you know?

You are promoting an absolute, that Trump lied. However in order to defeat an absolute all that is required is one occurrence of the alternative. Therefore the question remains, how would you know?

Logically there exist only a few maxims to explain the dogged servitude in support of your claim.

1. You know Trump lied about duct tape because you are involved in human trafficking and therefore are familiar with how the process is conducted.
2. You are not involved in human trafficking but are desperate to promote any claim made against President Trump because of your animus toward President Trump.
3. You are not involved in human trafficking but automatically believe whatever additional claim confirms yours because of animus toward President Trump.
4. You don't care what the truth is. All that matters is denigrating President Trump.

I believe option four to be the most applicable.