I do not understand republicans

[Redwingfan9]

Like Florida, Mississippi, Arizona ?

A reasonable analysis of Coronavirus spread through the US matches the expectation that it came in through the major international airports in New York, Chicago, DC, etc.

As these spots were hit first (when our knowledge base was less developed), ... it only stands to reason that we had more of an issue here initially. What is notable is that these initially hit areas have set the pace for the country in demonstrating how to get control of the spread of the virus, as they have.

The virus began to spread into the more rural areas of the country at a later date, when we had a better idea of how to handle it. It should be noted that that spread has not been contained to-date.

New coronavirus case rates are currently rising and highest in Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Georgia, California, Idaho, Iowa, S. Dakota, Arizona, Utah, Minnesota, Nebraska, N. Dakota, and Maine.

The worst run Corona states have clearly been NY, NJ, PA and MI, all Democrat run states. You had those Governors incompetently ordering Corona patients sent to nursing homes, causing deaths to increase dramatically. Despite daily new infections double and triple April and May, deaths have never gotten significantly above 1k a day whereas they were approaching 3k at their highest. I dare say numbers were worse because of those Democrats incompetent handling from day one. Oh but they followed the "science" which said buying lotto tickets was safe but buying seeds was dangerous.

 

[Jamsie]

The worst run Corona states have clearly been NY, NJ, PA and MI, all Democrat run states. You had those Governors incompetently ordering Corona patients sent to nursing homes, causing deaths to increase dramatically. Despite daily new infections double and triple April and May, deaths have never gotten significantly above 1k a day whereas they were approaching 3k at their highest. I dare say numbers were worse because of those Democrats incompetent handling from day one. Oh but they followed the "science" which said buying lotto tickets was safe but buying seeds was dangerous.

First, one should fully understand that the HHS, CDC, FDA, NIH, etc. all fall under the executive branch thus all relevant info from which to form coherent policies and actions is initiated through the executive branch first, not congress and not governors. Second, consider that trump's own HHS issued a report in October of 2019 noting inefficiencies and inadequate supplies in a wide range of areas. (Let us also grant that though he misstated - lied- about "empty shelves" at the national stockpiles however, one could argue that Obama Admin. was somewhat responsible. Yes, the stockpile was depleted - not empty - but too the refunding effort was contentious especially with "tea party" republicans...nothing got done, so part blame to Obama) Also trump was left with a detailed pandemic response plan, obviously ignored... even mcconnell confessed that he was wrong and a plan was in place! Further, let us suggest that the China ban was worthwhile and a smart move however, the restrictions were so limited that in fact it had very little to do with the spread as some experts note ... still something but not the all redeeming act that it is set forth by trump and others.

*Prior to trump's comments to Woodward we know that on January 28 Robert O'Brien National Security advisor warned trump that "the virus would be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency".

*Prior to trump's comments to Woodward we knew that memos from Navarro in late January were sent to the president warning of the virus potential to kill hundreds of thousands of people...and it was widely circulated through the White House and Federal agencies.

*On February 7 trump told Woodward that:
"It goes through air, Bob. That’s always tougher than the touch. You know, the touch, you don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. … And so, that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than your—you know, your, even your strenuous flus. You know, people don’t realize, we lose 25,000, 30,000 people a year here. Who would ever think that, right? Pretty amazing. And then I say, well, is that the same thing? This is more deadly. This is 5 per—you know, this is 5 percent versus 1 percent and less than 1 percent. You know? So, this is deadly stuff."

*"The virus has nothing to do with me," Mr. Trump told Woodward. "It's not my fault. It's — China let the damn virus out."

*NPR's Yamiche Alcindor asked the president whether he bears any responsibility for the slow American response, particularly in terms of testing. "I don't take responsibility at all," the American president said.

Yet trump claimed "When somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total." (Obviously "authority" but no responsibility)

Evidently trump disagrees with you as he blamed Obama for H1N1...and also,“The last administration left us nothing,” Trump said. “We started off with bad, broken tests and obsolete tests.” when it was pointed out to trump that there couldn't have been tests for a virus that didn't exist he still said - “The last administration left us nothing, We started off with bad, broken tests and obsolete tests.” Any reasoned person would understand that tests would not exist for a virus that did not exist!

Oh, must be satire...the excuse when his statements are misinterpreted!

 

[grasping the after wind]

If one actually wanted to understand another one would ask questions and listen to the answers rather than verbally attacking that other.

 

[A_Thinker]

The worst run Corona states have clearly been NY, NJ, PA and MI, all Democrat run states. You had those Governors incompetently ordering Corona patients sent to nursing homes, causing deaths to increase dramatically. Despite daily new infections double and triple April and May, deaths have never gotten significantly above 1k a day whereas they were approaching 3k at their highest. I dare say numbers were worse because of those Democrats incompetent handling from day one. Oh but they followed the "science" which said buying lotto tickets was safe but buying seeds was dangerous.

And the virus is spreading now in the red states ... after they opened back up too early.

Again, the virus is basically under control in the Northeast. It is only increasing in the Red states that got it later ...

 

[Thomas White]

Any insinuation that Trump is Hitler is ridiculous on its face. It shows a complete ignorance of who Hitler was and the policies his National Socialist government implemented. If people had an understanding of what fascism actually was they wouldn't accuse Republicans of being fascists.

The notion that your friend is entitled to my money is nothing short of outrageous from a Christian standpoint. Nowhere in scripture do we see the state charged with caring for the poor. Rather, charity is a private concern. Within the church it is a matter for the deacons, as they are charged with caring for poor Christians in the congregation. There is no Christian morality in stealing my money to give to your friend, with the state taking a cut as the middle man.

1 John 3:17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

He's also been accused of being a Nazi, a murderer, a warmonger, and just about every other word in the dictionary that sounds bad. So what he's been accused of proves nothing, and certainly not that sex claim, because the Democrats use it on every Republican who looks likely pull off a big victory. They did it to Herman Cain, to Roy Moore, to Judge Kavanaugh, and of course they were all false charges.

And what of Biden? He has been accused of various sex offenses also, but I don't find any discussion of that in your post. What's more, we've SEEN him doing some of it on film or live TV. And that's just of the offenses committed by that guy.


But by the same token, Trump's alleged offenses DID take place before his marriage and before he ran for office. Not so Biden. Or Clinton. Not on any count.

He has been accused of there is a difference between being a pervert and a rapist. No one doubts Bills Cosby is a rapist...like Trump he was accused multiple times over decades. And like Cosby Trump used his wealth and power to get away with it. Oh and he has cheated on every one of his wives...he has stiffed the people who has worked for him...a liar cheat thief.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

The notion that your friend is entitled to my money is nothing short of outrageous from a Christian standpoint. Nowhere in scripture do we see the state charged with caring for the poor. Rather, charity is a private concern. Within the church it is a matter for the deacons, as they are charged with caring for poor Christians in the congregation. There is no Christian morality in stealing my money to give to your friend, with the state taking a cut as the middle man.

Christ is quite clear on helping the poor and the needy.
Luke 16:19-31

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

So no my disabled friend is not entitled to get anything from you, him being crippled is not your or any other so called...yeah and I say so called...Christians problem...but Christ is pretty clear in the parable...those who ignore those in need do not go to heaven...they go to hell.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Tara Reade's claim fell apart ... her own conduct over the years didn't support it ...

They do care

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Any insinuation that Trump is Hitler is ridiculous on its face. It shows a complete ignorance of who Hitler was and the policies his National Socialist government implemented. If people had an understanding of what fascism actually was they wouldn't accuse Republicans of being fascists.

My great grandmother was jewish she compares Trump and the way he plays to Hitler....shes was a practicing Jew till her death a year ago she lived through Hitler...I will take the word of someone who lived through it over you.

Hitler took a crippled Germany gave them someone to blame all there problems on...much like trump has done. Trump ran his first campain on racism and bigotry...i watched him on tv and ever media outlet on the planet...you cant say fake news when we have man tv making fun of and bullying the minorities, the poor, the handicapped.

 

[Redwingfan9]

My great grandmother was jewish she compares Trump and the way he plays to Hitler....shes was a practicing Jew till her death a year ago she lived through Hitler...I will take the word of someone who lived through it over you.

Hitler took a crippled Germany gave them someone to blame all there problems on...much like trump has done. Trump ran his first campain on racism and bigotry...i watched him on tv and ever media outlet on the planet...you cant say fake news when we have man tv making fun of and bullying the minorities, the poor, the handicapped.

The subjective opinions of your mother don't actually prove anything. Objectively Trump and Hitler have precious little in common. Policy wise, Hitler used the power of the state to order businesses to do what he wanted them to do. Trump has reduced regulation. Hitler believed in aggressive wars, Trump opposes war and has brought troops home. Hitler didn't really believe in peace, Trump has negotiated peace in the middle east and has made in roads in North Korea. Hitler rounded up millions of political opponents, Jews, other ethnic groups he didn't like and put them in concentration camps and ultimately liquidated 11 million people. Trump has done no such thing.

Feeling that Trump is like Hitler doesn't hold a candle to objective facts.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Christ is quite clear on helping the poor and the needy.
Luke 16:19-31

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

So no my disabled friend is not entitled to get anything from you, him being crippled is not your or any other so called...yeah and I say so called...Christians problem...but Christ is pretty clear in the parable...those who ignore those in need do not go to heaven...they go to hell.

Make no mistake my comment was based on the government stealing from me to give to someone else. Christians have an obligation both individually and through the church to aid other Christians who are poor and needy. We are under no obligation to aid the lazy or wicked. There are obviously some people deserving of charity, scripture often speaks of widows and folks with significant disabilities who need help from the church. This obligation is in favor of poor Christians not society as a whole.

 

[Albion]

He has been accused of there is a difference between being a pervert and a rapist. No one doubts Bills Cosby is a rapist...like Trump he was accused multiple times over decades. And like Cosby Trump used his wealth and power to get away with it. Oh and he has cheated on every one of his wives...he has stiffed the people who has worked for him...a liar cheat thief.

That reply is not much of an exoneration of Biden or Clinton for their actions, was it? Yet they were the ones I referred to in the post you supposedly are answering.

 

[A_Thinker]

The subjective opinions of your mother don't actually prove anything. Objectively Trump and Hitler have precious little in common. Policy wise, Hitler used the power of the state to order businesses to do what he wanted them to do. Trump has reduced regulation. Hitler believed in aggressive wars, Trump opposes war and has brought troops home. Hitler didn't really believe in peace, Trump has negotiated peace in the middle east and has made in roads in North Korea. Hitler rounded up millions of political opponents, Jews, other ethnic groups he didn't like and put them in concentration camps and ultimately liquidated 11 million people. Trump has done no such thing.

Feeling that Trump is like Hitler doesn't hold a candle to objective facts.

Hitler started his struggle for national power in 1923.

It wasn't until 11 years later (1934) that the Nazification of Germany took place. And then, it didn't end until 1945.

These things take time. Trump has just gotten started ...

 

[Jamsie]

Make no mistake my comment was based on the government stealing from me to give to someone else. Christians have an obligation both individually and through the church to aid other Christians who are poor and needy. We are under no obligation to aid the lazy or wicked. There are obviously some people deserving of charity, scripture often speaks of widows and folks with significant disabilities who need help from the church. This obligation is in favor of poor Christians not society as a whole.

Do you consider corporate welfare stealing from you? Did you consider the trump tax cuts stealing from you when the overwhelming monies went to corporate buybacks? Does it concern you that even with the coronavirus stimulus companies are paying dividends, buybacks, and yet laying off workers?

 

[Redwingfan9]

Hitler started his struggle for national power in 1923.

It wasn't until 11 years later (1934) that the Nazification of Germany took place. And then, it didn't end until 1945.

These things take time. Trump has just gotten started ...

Trump has been in office for four years and at most he will be on office four more years. Where are the extermination camps? Where is the mass governmental control of business? Where are the foreign wars?

 

[nolidad]

I voted for Bush Jr, I voted for McCain, I voted Obama his second term because something about Romney sent alarm bells ringing in head, same with Trump. Trumps character goes back to the 70s, you can scream fake news all you want but what about the late 70's and 80's If someone who was not billionaire was accuse of everything Trump has been accused of in the last 40 years they would be in prison. I get the Impression that if Hitler was still alive and was a citizen of this country the republican party would have know problem making Hitler president if it meant keeping a democrat out of office. I got a friend on disability and trumps hoopla would take away his foodstamps. And instead of getting 200 a month which is the max he could get he gets 33 dollars a month. He gets 783 a month and after his rent and utilities are paid for he has about 200 left...he lives in a tiny little dump. I offered him a room at my place but he refused. Anyways foodstamps does not count cost of living, clothes, toiletries etc. So he according to them makes to much and he is at risk of losing the measly 33 he gets. This country stiffs those most in need and the republican party more often than not is the one doing the stiffing. You can scream your fake your news all you want I am at ground zero and i know for a fact most of its not fake. And what makes me furious is most republicans claim to be Christian and then go do and support stuff that is undeniably unchristian.

As Christians too often we have to hold our nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.

We are not voting for a pastor (Trump would never get my vote) but president. Trump is a very rough gruff person who speaks his mind!

He also has done more to fulfill the promises he made in the campaign than any other POTUS in modern history!

He is pro life
Supposedly accepted Christ after his inaugaration by praying with Franklin Graham
Pro growth
pro Christian and all religions ---yes even Muslim
Conservative.

If your friend in on disability, He is by law not supposed to have his benefits cut! That is the law and Trump does not want to cut benefits from the truly needy, just the truley greedy!

But Biden has shown himself to be religious in name only, supports teh murder of over 55,000,000 human beings, would trash th econstitution and bring us to a marxist, socialist state!

 

[Redwingfan9]

Do you consider corporate welfare stealing from you? Did you consider the trump tax cuts stealing from you when the overwhelming monies went to corporate buybacks? Does it concern you that even with the coronavirus stimulus companies are paying dividends, buybacks, and yet laying off workers?

When government gives a direct check to corporations to subsidize them then yes I do consider that stealing. Cutting taxes isn't corporate welfare though. Saying tax cuts are welfare presupposes government entitlement to our money or the money of corporations. In fact that money is ours or theirs and what they choose to do with it is no one's business.

I opposed all of the Corona shutdowns and all of the bogus stimulus programs. We are bankrupting ourselves over utter hysteria.

 

[Jamsie]

When government gives a direct check to corporations to subsidize them then yes I do consider that stealing. Cutting taxes isn't corporate welfare though. Saying tax cuts are welfare presupposes government entitlement to our money or the money of corporations. In fact that money is ours or theirs and what they choose to do with it is no one's business.

I opposed all of the Corona shutdowns and all of the bogus stimulus programs. We are bankrupting ourselves over utter hysteria.

OK, I don't believe I said that the tax cuts were welfare however, we then should have no reason to complain that our national debt is fast approaching 27 trillion, with deficits nearing or perhaps surpassing 1 trillion. Perhaps we are bankrupting ourselves ... but we've been "bankrupting" ourselves long before the coronavirus.

 

[A_Thinker]

Trump has been in office for four years and at most he will be on office four more years. Where are the extermination camps? Where is the mass governmental control of business? Where are the foreign wars?

Did you not see ?

Hitler flew under the radar for 10 years, slowly supporting changes in Germany's federal government that eventually allowed him to take over as an autocrat.

The obvious atrocities did not come until Hitler had established himself as Fuhrer ...

 

[Redwingfan9]

OK, I don't believe I said that the tax cuts were welfare however, we then should have no reason to complain that our national debt is fast approaching 27 trillion, with deficits nearing or perhaps surpassing 1 trillion. Perhaps we are bankrupting ourselves ... but we've been "bankrupting" ourselves long before the coronavirus.

I agree that we have been bankrupting ourselves for awhile. The debt doubled under George W. Bush and it doubled again under Obama. It's up another $6 or 7 trillion under Trump. It's unsustainable and requires massive cuts in Federal spending which neither party is willing to do. Tax increases will never be able to pay off this debt. You could confiscate all of the wealth of the nations billionaires and it would only pay for a few months of Federal spending. Neither party is willing to take this issue seriously, including neither ofnthr major party presidential candidates.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Did you not see ?

Hitler flew under the radar for 10 years, slowly supporting changes in Germany's federal government that eventually allowed him to take over as an autocrat.

The obvious atrocities did not come until Hitler had established himself as Fuhrer ...

Hitler was hardly under the radar. He attempted a coup, served time in prison and wrote a best selling book. The national socialists had almost no say in the government until Hitler was named chancellor. There were no slow changes with thr Nazi's. Within months after being named chancellor Hitler was dictator. Everything he did as head of state he wrote about in Mein Kampf, the economic policies, the wars, the obvious desire to ris Germany of political opponents and Jews. It was all there, everyone knew. Where is any of this with Trump? It doesn't exist but calling him Hitler makes leftists feel good about themselves because it gives them a boogeyman to hate.