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Numerically speaking that is.
numerically we're the second largest denomination on the planet, so I don't think we are that isolated
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Numerically speaking that is.
That's why being a catechumen feels like limbo and the basis of my nickname in German "The Eternal Catechumen".The catechumenate is a weird place in many ways. As a catechumen you're Orthodox enough to receive a Orthodox funeral, but not enough to recieve the sacrament of confession and communion.
Its Orthodox light or something, I guess.
Just avoid repeating it and talk to your folks is my advice. Tell them about communion, the importance of it and the reasons for avoiding intercommunion.
Sure, you could bring this up with your priest, but I'd personally have left it out until my first confession. Being halfway there is difficult and weird.
I remember when I became a catholic, I went through something similar.
I did not go to communion anywhere for a year and I longed so much for it. It's some kind of a desert to many people. What do we do, when we fall?
Well, we get up again and take up our cross.
God is good and merciful. Glory be to Christ our doctor, saviour and our king. Glory be to him!
numerically we're the second largest denomination on the planet, so I don't think we are that isolated
That's why being a catechumen feels like limbo and the basis of my nickname in German "The Eternal Catechumen".
My dad is nice enough to take me to Church when I ask him but my stepmom asked me before going to Church today if I still "worship images" and my visa situation is God "trying to talk to me".
With or without the EP? You're currently not in communion, yes?
no, we are. I am OCA. Russia is out of communion with the EP, and those bishops who sided with the EP in Alexandria and Greece. this is not a full schism at all
Ok, thanks again for clarification. It's all very confusing to outsiders.
I guess it's kind of a work in progress of some sort?
nah, it happens. bishops unfortunately break communion with others but not the whole Church often enough through Church history.
Kind of what the long shot of Florence aimed at I suppose.
not exactly. Rome and the East had already fully been out of communion with each other for centuries before Florence. with this, there is no full schism as in, no group is fully outside of the body of the Church.
Time could've been seen as quite relative if they'd reached an orthodox conclusion at Florence. I do however fail to see how that could've happened.
The roman delegates seemed to obsessed with their doctrine moreso than of coming together as brethren.
Besides, purgatory was rightly rejected by the orthodox.
I've read through the records of the council and in my opinion it was deemed to fail even without the fall of the byzantine empire.
Many catholic scholars tends to blame the muslims for the collapse at Florence, but that's inaccurate in my opinion.
I read a book about that a while ago. It was from a (high church, traditional) Lutheran perspective, so definitely some differences from Orthodoxy to be sure!, but the same sentiment — modern Protestantism and Catholicism are two sides of the same coinpersonally, I think Rome is far more in common with low church Protestants than with us, because Protestantism has the same approach to Christianity, even though often their conclusions are different.
Anyone who recites and believes in the Nicene creed makes that person a Christian, rejecting ituts one outside the fold of Christianity. However reciting the Nicene creed doesn’t make one Non Schismatic or not heretical in certain other beliefs. After all Nestorius himself recited the Nicene creed and fully believed in it and so did Eutychus, it doesn’t mean they are correct in their faith nor could we take communion from their Churches due to their schisms and other heretical doctrines. Even when I prayed with my Evangelical fundamentalist friend, I’d stop the prayer or discontinue if the perpetual virginity or the title of Theotokos was attacked, luckily that never happened, but if it did then that’s what I’d do. How can I stand in worship with certain “Messianic” so called Christians or the SDA that believe we have to keep Old Covenant laws to be saved?I'm talking about main line denominations, that could all recite the Nicene creed with honesty.
I am just a sinner saved by grace... I will gladly take communion with anyone who trusts Christ for thier salvation. None of us have perfect theology.Anyone who recites and believes in the Nicene creed makes that person a Christian, rejecting ituts one outside the fold of Christianity. However reciting the Nicene creed doesn’t make one Non Schismatic or not heretical in certain other beliefs. After all Nestorius himself recited the Nicene creed and fully believed in it and so did Eutychus, it doesn’t mean they are correct in their faith nor could we take communion from their Churches due to their schisms and other heretical doctrines. Even when I prayed with my Evangelical fundamentalist friend, I’d stop the prayer or discontinue if the perpetual virginity or the title of Theotokos was attacked, luckily that never happened, but if it did then that’s what I’d do. How can I stand in worship with certain “Messianic” so called Christians or the SDA that believe we have to keep Old Covenant laws to be saved?
I am just a sinner saved by grace... I will gladly take communion with anyone who trusts Christ for thier salvation. None of us have perfect theology.
how do you know that none of us have perfect theology?
Because we are imperfect human beings.
"not sure what you mean about isolation though."