• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

I am prolife now.

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by YeshuaLovesYou, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:30 AM.

Tags:
  1. YeshuaLovesYou

    YeshuaLovesYou I'm in love with Yeshua.

    48
    +65
    United States
    Protestant
    Single
    I want to talk about it. I believe abortion is murder unless the mother's life is in danger, and that birth control makes more sense. I was talking with my Lord, and He asked what would happen if something happened to Him before He was born, and He told me to be prolife. I am so sorry.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • List
    We teamed up with Faith Counseling. Can they help you today?
  2. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

    +1,880
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    I think a majority of Christians are pro-life. Abortion IS murder. I don't believe in birth control either. But birth control isn't 100% effective either. I know of a few babies who were made while someone was taking birth control. When God wants a baby to be born nothing can stop it from happening. There may be accidental parents but there is no such thing as an accidental birth. All people who are born are known by God.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • List
  3. RaymondG

    RaymondG Well-Known Member

    +2,199
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    You were sounding good until the "unless." Murder is murder period.....one life is not more important than the other, so there should be no excuse for murder.

    Maybe you are -almost- Prolife.....or prolife until you find an acceptable reason for the murder....

    The lord always existed... Do you believe that a human's decision could have hindered His plan of salvation?
     
  4. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

    +3,727
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    Congratulations! You may be interested in defending the lives of all people (Including our enemies). For the Lord's teaching on Pacifism (in not harming others) seeks to love our neighbor as God intended with the New Covenant.

    If you are interested, please check out my Biblical case for New Testament Pacifism at following CF thread link:

    CF Thread - Pacifism as Taught in the New Testament is Moral and Good.

    May God bless you;
    And again, congrats to coming to the truth in not harming babies.
     
  5. RaymondG

    RaymondG Well-Known Member

    +2,199
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    I would say that most all Christians are Against abortion.....But I would stop short of saying that all desire to remove the ability of a woman to make her own decision......which seemed to be the theme behind Pro-life.

    I believe this as well. If you believe this.....why would you be against a woman making her own choice in this matter?
     
  6. YeshuaLovesYou

    YeshuaLovesYou I'm in love with Yeshua.

    48
    +65
    United States
    Protestant
    Single
    Thank you. I am not sure if I am a pacifist, but I am usually antiwar, and deeply troubled by the death penalty and war.
     
  7. paul1149

    paul1149 that your faith might rest in the power of God Supporter

    +2,501
    United States
    Christian
    Private
    A lot of us believed the lies of the secularist culture, but then after coming to Christ our eyes were opened to the sacredness of life and the sovereignty of the Lord.
     
  8. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

    +3,727
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    Do not take my word for it. Pray deeply and study those verses on NT Pacifism, and the Lord will guide you into all truth. For me: Once the Lord revealed that truth to me, it was like I had stepped through a door and locked it behind me. There is no going back because I know better based on what God has revealed clearly to me in what His Word says. But you need to seek and find that out for yourself (of course). Ask God to help you on that topic, and He most definitely will help you to see it.

    The thing is that government is ordained by GOD to carry out justice. God uses governments to punish evil in many cases (and not all cases). GOD used an enemy nation of Israel (Assyria) to punish Israel for it's sin. They were a rod of correction. But after Assyria punished Israel, they were destroyed. They served their purpose for GOD. GOD can use governments for His greater plan for good. For without police, criminals would roam free. Without an army to protect us, enemies of other nations would seek to take away our way of freedom and in having safe and nice suburbs and parks with squirrels to enjoy. It is that the government plays a different ROLE, office, or function than that of a truly faithful Christian (Who is saved) in God's plan.

    A Christian is merely following their orders from the Lord Jesus Christ not to attack. These orders will obviously end when they have lived out their faith here on this Earth and have died or been Raptured to then follow Jesus into battle when Christ returns at His 2nd Coming. All the nations of this world will seek to fight and attack Jesus. But you cannot seek to battle with GOD and win. That never works out all that well.

    Anyways, peace and blessings to you in the Lord this fine day;
    And I hope that what I said helps.
     
  9. SPF

    SPF Well-Known Member

    +941
    United States
    Protestant
    Married
    Well that's awesome to hear. I think for Christians, this position is fairly easy to understand.

    Humans are unique among all God's creation. We alone are created in His Image and possess inherent moral worth and value. It doesn't matter our age, gender, race, or even the how in which we came into existence - we are all equally morally valuable.

    Science has come a long way and has now demonstrated for us that a new and unique human being comes into existence at fertilization.

    Putting the two together leaves us with little room other than to recognize that from our earliest beginnings we are made in God's image and possess inherent moral worth and value.

    With regards to abortion being acceptable in the case of the mother's life being endangered... I personally don't even like to use the term "abortion" in these situations because the term has become so specific in its connotation and usage. Instead, I would suggest that when a woman becomes pregnant that the doctors need to look at her and see two patients - both equal in intrinsic moral worth.

    If something occurs where the life of one of them is in danger, the doctor should do everything he can to save the one. If something occurs where the lives are both in danger, the doctor should look at them both as his patients and save both if he can. Often times it's not possible to save both, and in those cases the doctor should still do his best to make sure he can save one.

    As the viability of the fetus grows to earlier and earlier, this makes it easier for the doctor, as performing a c-section is typically going to be the easiest way. But if the unborn has not reached viability, then often difficult decisions have to be made, and I do not envy the doctors and families that are involved in these life or death situations.

    Matthew 8 would be a stumbling block to this position. The centurion soldier showed great faith and was praised by Jesus. Yet no where in this passage does Jesus tell the soldier that now that he has shown great faith and Believed in Jesus that he should take up another vocation. If it's true that Christians are not permitted to be soldiers, then Jesus didn't get the memo.
     
  10. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

    +3,727
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    Matthew 8 is not a stumbling block to NT Pacifism as taught by our Lord Jesus Christ at all. Remember, the Canaanite woman and how Jesus tried to turn her away by his words? Remember when Jesus told his disciples to only go to Israel cities? This is because the inclusion of the Gentiles did not happen yet. After Christ had died upon the cross and He had risen, He told his disciples to then go out unto all nations to preach the gospel. Jesus was first sent to the lost house of the tribe of Israel. The Gentiles came later. So this is why Jesus did not correct him or seek to teach Him. He was not sent out to the Gentiles yet. Paul was to be that minister unto the Gentiles.
     
  11. Junker P Hoodwink

    Junker P Hoodwink Member

    182
    +96
    United States
    Catholic
    Single
    US-Republican
    To be pro-life is to be in-line with God's Word. Job well done!
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • List
  12. SPF

    SPF Well-Known Member

    +941
    United States
    Protestant
    Married
    Did Jesus Teach Pacifism?
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • List
  13. YeshuaLovesYou

    YeshuaLovesYou I'm in love with Yeshua.

    48
    +65
    United States
    Protestant
    Single
    Thank you.
     
  14. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

    +3,727
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    His objections he raises I have explained in many Pacifism threads before. Not that I support Calvinism (mind you), but it is ironic that he being a Calvinist and who believes in the Sovereignty of God that he does not believe the Lord works all things for good to those who love God. Bad happened to Joseph and Paul and they did not resort to violence to fix the violence that came upon them. God had a greater plan for good in their life despite the bad that happened to them. Even bad things happened to Jesus but it was for a greater good (so as to save mankind). The Scripture says we have the mind of Christ. Yet, nowhere did Jesus harm others even in self defense or to protect others. We see Jesus’s reaction to Peter acting violently and he did not approve of his actions. Jesus rebuked Peter for acting violently. Folks in the church today say we are to follow Jesus, but when it comes to violent situations, they propose to act violently in return when Jesus never did so.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2018 at 3:22 PM
  15. SPF

    SPF Well-Known Member

    +941
    United States
    Protestant
    Married
    Well I for one think John Piper is a lot more credible than you. No offense =]
     
  16. Sketcher

    Sketcher Born Imperishable

    +4,132
    Non-Denom
    Single
    US-Republican
    I agree.
     
  17. sunshine100

    sunshine100 Well-Known Member

    626
    +489
    United States
    Christian
    Single
    I agree
     
  18. jmldn2

    jmldn2 Newbie Supporter

    404
    +127
    United States
    Methodist
    Married
    May I interject this into the discussion. It is my firm belief that America is suffering consequences because of the millions of babies destroyed every single year through abortion.
     
  19. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Goat Whisperer Supporter

    +5,465
    United States
    Calvinist
    Married
    US-Republican
    John Piper is a very loving
    solid teacher of the Word.

    For the opposite side to debate him would not be easy.

    M-Bob
     
Loading...