I am not ashamed of the gospel...

[renniks]

Ok,
So, you think when you do good works for God.
God looks at your obedience to His commandments as filthy rags? God must not love you renniks.

When I do obedient works God loves me for it and blesses me. After all God created us for good works, Epheasians 2:10.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are like an unclean thing, And all our righteousness are like filthy rags: we all fade as a leaf, and our sins, like the wind, HAVE TAKEN US AWAY.

Hmmm, You know those who are seperated from God are unclean. Why?
Because their sins have not been removed by God.

Why are these Hebrews unclean? Because they are living in sin. They must be rebelling against God.
Otherwise, they would not be unclean!!!

These unclean jews righteousness are like filthy rags to God.
Can a unclean rebellious sinner be righteous? Not if they continue to rebel against their God, as they are doing here.

So, what kind of righteousness are these unclean jews practicing?
Well, what kind of righteousness do all rebellious sinners practise?
Maybe? SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS!!!!

Would self- righteousness be as filthy rags to God?
Would works man does for himself instead of for God be as filthy rags to God?

Why yes, those kind of works, the works of self-righteous man, not the works of God are as filthy rags to God.

renniks ,you should read the book of Isaiah. It would do you a world of good.

Same chapter 64:4-7
For since the beginning of the world Men have not heard nor perceived by the ear, Nor has the eye seen any God besides you,

Who acts for the one who waits for Him.

You meet him who rejoices and DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS, who REMEBERS YOU IN YOUR WAYS.

YOU ARE INDEED ANGRY, ANGRY, ANGRY, FOR WE HAVE SINNED, SINNED, SINNED-
IN THESE WAYS WE CONTINUE, CONTINUE, CONTINUE,;

AND WE NEED TO BE SAVED, SAVED, SAVED, SAVED,

BUT WE ARE ALL LIKE AN UNCLEAN THING,
AND ALL, ALL, ALL, OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS ARE LIKE FILTHY RAGS:
We all fade as a leaf,
And our SINS, SINS, SINS, LIKE THE WIND,
HAVE TAKEN US AWAY, AWAY, AWAY.

AND THERE IS NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE, WHO CALLS ON YOUR NAME
who stirs himself up to take hold of You;
FOR YOU HAVE HIDDEN YOUR FACE FROM US
AND HAVE CONSUMED US BECAUSE OF OUR SINS.

renniks, it is past time for you, to start reading your Bible and stop repeating the same error of your churches reinterpretation of the scriptures.

Lol, I've been reading the Bible for 40 plus years.

You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God.

The Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, actually means, “like as rags of menstruation.”

Fortunately, "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him
we might become the righteousness of God.”
And:
"I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing
Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them
[our best efforts] rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him,
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law,
but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness
that comes from God and is by faith.”
(Philippians 3:8-9 )

 

[renniks]

Paul is not obeying the gospel, as you said he cannot do anything on his own.

Except listen and do what the Spirit tells him to do.
Of course he can not do anything on his own.

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."

 

[New Testament Christian]

Ok let me ask you a question. What is getting saved supposed to do to a person? Can a person be truly saved and not change in any way? Scripture says all things are made new. Does this mean if a person, being made new, does new things like reading his Bible or praying or being a better person overall, that those things that changed in his life save him? I don't see it. God saved him and because God did that work, the Holy Spirit begins to change his life.

Guojing, is correct. Your faith is dead. You have tried to be saved by a dead faith. You already admitted that your faith does not save you. I agree!

 

[New Testament Christian]

Except listen and do what the Spirit tells him to do.
Of course he can not do anything on his own.

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."

That is after, a sinner is born agian.

You have no understanding HOW Paul obeyed the gospel.
You said God did it for him. Wrong.

 

[New Testament Christian]

Lol, I've been reading the Bible for 40 plus years.

You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God.

The Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, actually means, “like as rags of menstruation.”

Fortunately, "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him
we might become the righteousness of God.”
And:
"I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing
Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them
[our best efforts] rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him,
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law,
but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness
that comes from God and is by faith.”
(Philippians 3:8-9 )

You have never learned what the scriptures are saying.

You only understand the scriptures through the reinterpretation of your sects creeds and traditions of men.
I have proven you don't understand Isaiah 64.

 

[New Testament Christian]

Lol, I've been reading the Bible for 40 plus years.

You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God.

The Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, actually means, “like as rags of menstruation.”

Fortunately, "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him
we might become the righteousness of God.”
And:
"I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing
Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them
[our best efforts] rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him,
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law,
but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness
that comes from God and is by faith.”
(Philippians 3:8-9 )

Fine, go with your sects perverted interpretation of works of righteousness.

Every good work a Christian does for God. According to renniks interpretation is filthy defiled rag used from menstruation.

Except I was created by God to do good works.

Epheasians 2:8-9
For we are His workmanship CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS FOR GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.

Now according to renniks churches teaching on works,

These very works God created us to do are filthy rags of menstruation to God.

That makes no sense that God created us to do good works only to see our works as filthy!!! What insanity!!!!

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is mans all.

For God will bring every work into judgement including every secret thing ,whether GOOD OR EVIL.

WHAAATTT! There are good works?

No, renniks, tell Solomon that those good works are just filthy rags to God!

 

[renniks]

Guojing, is correct. Your faith is dead. You have tried to be saved by a dead faith. You already admitted that your faith does not save you. I agree!

What are you even talking about? Of course faith doesn't save.
You yourself have said that faith is only a condition.
Can I save myself by believing I can?
How stupid is that?
By grace we are saved through faith.
So what saves? God's grace, God's work not ours!

 

[renniks]

That is after, a sinner is born agian.

You have no understanding HOW Paul obeyed the gospel.
You said God did it for him. Wrong.

No I didn't. You don't read my posts with understanding.

 

[renniks]

You have never learned what the scriptures are saying.

You only understand the scriptures through the reinterpretation of your sects creeds and traditions of men.
I have proven you don't understand Isaiah 64.

It's a cry for mercy, because they finally recognize that there is no good thing in them.
What traditions are you talking about? I'm a protestant, not bound to any particular tradition.

 

[renniks]

No, renniks, tell Solomon that those good works are just filthy rags to God!

I will, because Solomon didn't have the gospel.
His understanding was great but limited because he didn't have the New testament.
And it's funny that you picked "vanity, all is vanity" to claim what we do is the most important thing.
Read the rest of the book. Don't get me wrong, I love Ecclesiastes, but it's not the gospel.

"Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

8 “Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher.
“Everything is meaningless!”

Even after remembering God Solomon still says everything is just vanity. He was talking only of life under the sun. An eternal perspective tells us that trusting in Christ gives life meaning.

 

[renniks]

Fine, go with your sects perverted interpretation of works of righteousness.

I don't have a " sect".

 

[New Testament Christian]

What are you even talking about? Of course faith doesn't save.

You have proven to me repeatedly that you are not able to reason the scriptures.

I will pray for you.

Faith ALONE cannot save
Grace ALONE cannot save
Works(obedience) ALONE cannot save
Christ shed blood on the cross will not save anyone who does not have Faith.
Even Christ shed blood on the cross ALONE cannot save.

Is the Shed blood of Jesus Christ that has the power to save accessible to unbelievers?

No, therefore without faith, Christ shed blood ALONE will not save.

renniks, it seems you cannot grasp these logical teachings from the Bible.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

Can we be saved without faith? No!

Can our faith alone without Gods grace save us? No
Can our obedience alone save us without Gods grace? No
Can our faith and obedience give us access to Gods grace and receive the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ? Yes!

NOTHING ON ITS OWN SAVES US
The Biblical gospel teaches man and God must cooperate together in order for lost sinners to be blessed with Gods saving Grace.

Faith alone is unbiblical fictitious error.
Nowhere does the Scriptures teach we are saved by anything alone.

Does faith save, yes
Does Gods grace save, yes
Does repentance save, yes
Does confession save, yes
Does baptism save, yes

But none of these save apart from the rest.

Now, a dead faith never saved and cannot save ever!
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works(obedience) is dead also.

This is why renniks faith does not save anyone.

 

[New Testament Christian]

I will, because Solomon didn't have the gospel.
His understanding was great but limited because he didn't have the New testament.
And it's funny that you picked "vanity, all is vanity" to claim what we do is the most important thing.
Read the rest of the book. Don't get me wrong, I love Ecclesiastes, but it's not the gospel.

"Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

8 “Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher.
“Everything is meaningless!”

Even after remembering God Solomon still says everything is just vanity. He was talking only of life under the sun. An eternal perspective tells us that trusting in Christ gives life meaning.

Wow!!!!

What arrogance!!! You think you have greater wisdom than Solomon!!!

Go ahead and tell Solomon you know Gods revelation better than him.

1John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

The new testament agrees with Solomon.

Mans main purpose in life is to Fear God and love Him(obedience)

 

[New Testament Christian]

What traditions are you talking about? I'm a protestant, not bound to any particular tradition.

Is this supposed to be a joke?
You're kidding right?

 

[renniks]

Is this supposed to be a joke?
You're kidding right?

By " tradition" I'm assuming you mean something like Catholic or reformed or Methodist, etc. I'm not bound by any tradition. I'm generally protestant in my beliefs.

 

[renniks]

What arrogance!!! You think you have greater wisdom than Solomon!!!

Go ahead and tell Solomon you know Gods revelation better than him.

Of course we have been given revelation Solomon didn't have access to. Doesn't make us wiser. It just means we have more information.

 

[renniks]

You have proven to me repeatedly that you are not able to reason the scriptures.

You aren't doing so hot yourself. You don't seem to understand the basics very well. Instead of actually engaging with what I wrote, you just keep banging the same drum.

 

[renniks]

No, therefore without faith, Christ shed blood ALONE will not save.

Really? God cannot save without someone having faith? You really try to limit God?
What about a baby who dies? Does he have faith? Does that baby go to hell even though he knows nothing? God CAN save whoever he wants however he wants. Generally, scripture teaches that he saves those we have some degree of faith.

"You have been saved by grace." Here the Greek use of a passive, perfect periphrastic participle indicates something interesting. The use of the passive voice shows how we are totally passive when it comes to being saved.
Again, in general, faith is a condition that must be met but faith is not doing the work of salvation. God alone is.

 

[New Testament Christian]

Of course we have been given revelation Solomon didn't have access to. Doesn't make us wiser. It just means we have more information.

You have more information on what the WHOLE duty of man is. Do you understand the word WHOLE?

If there is more than this please explain yourself.
How do you know more than the WHOLE duty of man.

Did you not read 1John 5:3. New testament teaches the same as what Solomon says is the whole duty of man.

1Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Sounds like Paul agrees with Solomon.

And by the way, commandment keeping is obedience.
Just look at the faith Paul teaches that we are saved by,
Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

Paul teaches a faith that works through love,
Paul teaches an obedient working faith through love is what avails.
Paul also taught what matters is commandment keeping.
Paul therefore is teaching The faith that saves is a faith of obedience to Gods commands.
No other faith avails(has worth, value).

You do not believe Solomon or Paul.

 

[New Testament Christian]

Really? God cannot save without someone having faith? You really try to limit God?
What about a baby who dies? Does he have faith? Does that baby go to hell even though he knows nothing? God CAN save whoever he wants however he wants. Generally, scripture teaches that he saves those we have some degree of faith.

"You have been saved by grace." Here the Greek use of a passive, perfect periphrastic participle indicates something interesting. The use of the passive voice shows how we are totally passive when it comes to being saved.
Again, in general, faith is a condition that must be met but faith is not doing the work of salvation. God alone is.

Poor example of salvation from the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I guess you don't believe we are saved by the gospel, Romans 1:16.

Do babies get saved by the gospel?

Do babies need saving?Matthew 18:3
No, they were never lost to begin with!
Try again.