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I am an atheist who wants to believe in Christ

Discussion in 'Struggles by Non-Christians' started by Davoarid, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. Bluerose31

    Bluerose31 Christian Flower Supporter

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    That is beautiful that you want to come to Christ. He wants to welcome you with open arms. He loves you a lot. I will pray that Jesus comes into your heart and heals you and shows you how to be a disciple of his.
     
  2. lee11

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    Hi

    Paul the apostle said 1 person plants and another person waters, but it is God who gives the seed increase.

    Another words God may use many resources to plant the seed of the the good news in your life, and then continue to use many resources to water or give you understanding about the seed that was planted.

    That it may grow and that will happen through out your life, and the increase that God provides is when the seed is ready to be harvested or you are ready to make a decsion to receive salvation and Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

    So this seed will continue to be watered and feed until you are ready to receive Jesus, as your Lord and Saviour and when you are ready to receive Jesus you will become a believer and a Christian.

    The bible says you will be transferred out of the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of light.

    So may God bless you with an unconditional, forgiving, merciful, and compassionate heart full of wisdom and kindness to win your family and friends to Jesus as you continue on with your journey.

    Peace.
     
  3. ldonjohn

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    Davoarid, I don't know if my testimony of how I came to be a "believer" would be of any help or not, but below is a link if you care to read it. I'll just say here that although I grew up in church, by the time I was in my late teens I wasn't sure if the bible was true or if God was real. Like you I wanted to "believe" but I did not know how to do that. I thought I would NEVER know what "believe in Jesus" really means.

    My testimony

    John
     
  4. AvgJoe

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    It's good to hear that you've made the decision to read the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God. If the Bible is true, then Christianity is true and the God described within it's pages is real, is Who He says He is and can be trusted. Have you looked into the validity of the Bible? The following will help you do just that.

    There are many testaments to the validity of the Scriptures. The unity of the Scriptures is one such testament. The Bible was written over a period of 1,600 years, by 40 God chosen men, who lived on multiple continents and they all wrote about the same thing, man's sin and his need for a savior, Jesus Christ. There were no mail delivery trucks, no drop ship planes, no Federal Express, no UPS and no email, yet when all of the writings were put together they present one unified message. The Bible is truly the Word of God.

    Following are many other areas that attest to the validity of the Scriptures.

    An excellent ebook on the subject: http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_pdf/idobi.pdf

    Proof of Textual Evidence
    Old Testament: The Dead Sea Scrolls and Biblical Integrity
    New Testament: Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
    More on the Bible: The Bible | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
    Is the Bible reliable?


    Proof of People Living at the Time of Christ
    Non biblical accounts of New Testament events and/or people | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
    The writings of Josephus mention many biblical people and places | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

    Proof of Archaeology
    Archaeology and the Bible • ChristianAnswers.Net
    Biblical Archeology
    Archaeological evidence verifying biblical cities | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

    Proof of Science
    Statements Consistent With Paleontology, Astronomy, Meteorology, Biology, Anthropology, Hydrology & Geology, that were made 1,000s of years before science discovered them.
    Science and the Bible
    Scientific Accuracies of the Bible | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
    Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge

    Proof of Prophecy (Messanic & dealing with nations)
    Messianic Prophecies
    Fulfilled Bible Prophecy Dealing With Nations
    Prophecy, the Bible and Jesus | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
    http://shoreshdavidbrandon.org/pdf/I-Have-A-Friend-Whose-Jewish.pdf (pages 11 & 12 - awesome eBook)
    How Do You Know The Bible Is True?
     
  5. Danishkirmani

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    Faith must be followed by reasonable conclusion & not blind following. Otherwise it will be as good as believing in Santa !! You need to research all religions honestly from the people who follow the religion & then arrive at final decision. I'm sure if you are honest you will arrive at the right decision !!
     
  6. Mountainmike

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    If you found "mere christianity" thought provoking, it is also worth reading such as Chesterton several books eg "orthodoxy" who makes profound observations on how the world leads him to christianity, and ultimately catholicism.

    As a scientist -one time quantum physicist I have nothing but contempt for such as Dawkins - he goes way beyond his sphere of understanding, into such as quantum chemistry, and his arguments are often hopelessly flawed by his own misunderstanding but by aiming his conclusions at "the public" he knows few can challenge him, so he can present his a priori world view as though it was the verdict of science.. The problem is the hall of science presumes that the world is deterministic:, that is , progresses only because of present state and laws ( which even science disagrees with!) , and that consciousness is a chemical process, and life is a chemical accident then filters all it sees with that paradigm. It then guards what it "allows in" by whether it conforms to the paradigm.

    You only have to see how Dawkins reacts to (for example) slamdunk evidence on telepathy (which incidentally is beyond reasonable doubt, the question is how, not whether) - he apriori tries to debunk it, without even arguing on the evidence. Because It doesnt fit his worldview. And that is the antithesis of science.

    Consider the following: about philosophy of science.

    Start with what I call sagans folly. "extra ordinary claims need extraordinary evidence" which is a rallying cry of scientific relativism and atheism. It is also the antithesis of science, because the word "extraordinary" is totally subjective and is used as a bar to raise against evidence that does not fit your world view. The truth is an experimental correlation exists or it does not. You can aim to eliminate variables but in the end however extraordinary it is , and whether or not you can "explain it" more of that word later - it exists.. The evidence stands either in conformity or defiance of your world view.

    That leads on to what is science anyway? And the answer can only be, it is a model of patterns that are observed to repeat or are repeatable in the universe, and a process for adding to that model. In essence nothing is ever "explained" except in the context of that model.
    But the model is not the same as the universe. So what is an electron? the answer is an elegant bit of math, that helps with matching pattersn of observation. Indeed go deepeer and you find there are several models of electrons. The classical actually disagree with the quantum, and you have to know which to use. Hawking admitted this in one of his last books with the concept of "model dependent reality" which concluded that there was no unique model (and thereofer theory of everything) - that several contradictory models existed for phenomena, and you had to know which to use!
    In saying he destroyed the idea that the models are explanation of the universe, only how it behaves.
    He dealt a blow to the "paradigm".

    Quantum physics deals a blow to the idea of a deterministic universe anyway. Concluding "it does not exist till observed" and the philosophical problems with that are profound. A killer blow to the paradigm.
    A leading british quantum physicist said it was an embarassment, that quantum physics still had no rational explanation or indeed consensus on such as copenhagen interpretation (of whcih einstein said "I refuse to believe the moon does not exist till I look at it" but even he was forced to conclude that was true/

    Dawkins will say "i will believe it when I see peer reviewed repeats" knowing that
    1/ Journals are limited in wht they allow in.
    2/ The peers are like him, who will not allow in what they disagree with
    3/ YOu cannot get funding for repeats, and even if you do, no journal will ever publish a repeat!
    Point is...no "real science" passes the test that he gives things he does not like. Particularly 3! So Dawkinsian establishment keeps out all it does not like!
    Hence he can ignore (eg telepathy) since he manages to keep it out.

    Of course the way out of the mess of scienctists own creation is simple.
    For as long as you accept that science is only a model. It explains nothing except likely observation but has little to say about what the world is, only what it does, all the philosophical problems disappear.
    But then the "god of the gaps" argument dies with it.
    There is then NO explaination for the world. And neither has science challenged God.

    And the more I saw of deep sceince, the more I concluded that was true.

    Now look at some of the fascinating forensic evidence. Like... the forensics of eucharistic miracles, and you start to wonder.. See white cells that should not exist in Vitro, that Darwin says prove his own theory is false! Life from inert, not from small change.....







     
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  7. DennisTate

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    I may have met you on some of those discussion forums......

    I suspect that you may really enjoy and be inspired by the explanation for something along the line of the Cyclic Model of the Universe as shown to near death experiencer and Atheist Mellen Thomas Benedict:

    Mellen Benedict, near-death .com:
     
  8. DennisTate

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    Here is a discussion that I began that I think may be of interest to you.

    I am of the belief that G-d ... in a sense learned or evolved over eternity in the past.... whereas Adam and Eve were created somewhere around six or seven thousand years ago.......
    but before that.... Covering Cherub Lucifer went off into rebellion.....
    and pretty much blew up a large portion of the universe / Multiverse.

    Adam and Eve so quickly facing Satan after their creation......
    has huge philosophical implications......

    Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?
     
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