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I am an atheist who wants to believe in Christ

Discussion in 'Struggles by Non-Christians' started by Davoarid, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. Dirk1540

    Dirk1540 Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    You messed up your quotes. I agree that pure intellectual Bible study with no emotional content behind it is not enough. I disagree that worship inside of a stone building called a Church is a requirement. Anywhere that Christians gather in Jesus' name is sufficient worship. Matthew 18:20.

    But I don't want to get off track, I was trying to point out that the OP should not link misconceptions such as feeling awkward about singing with not being a strong Christian.
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2017
  2. Alicia Schout

    Alicia Schout Member

    What do you mean with OP? Indeed where two or three are gathered in His name
    Jesus is in the midst. But Jesus also talk about my house shall be called a house of prayer. So here He means the building. The place of worship.
  3. Dirk1540

    Dirk1540 Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    OP meaning the original poster who started the thread, or can also mean the original post's content itself. I don't disagree with your respect for the church, and maybe my wording derailed the topic.

    I just recognized in Davoarid's last post that there were possible hints of disharmony with churches he has gone to in the past. And too often people will too quickly build a definition what 'Church' means off of their limited experiences in the churches they've been to. Was just giving advice to not mix up the style of a particular church with what the fundamentals of the faith are.
  4. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

    United States
    Home Bible Studies are Church, and more of the style of the 1st century, and as you can see by my name, what I would prefer. I belong to one, and it is a safe place to ask questions, and not just sit there. This young man is blessed that God is directing him to the Bible Study.

    You didn't derail anything. :oldthumbsup:
  5. Davoarid

    Davoarid New Member

    United States
    Other Religion
    Dirk—Thanks for the support. I should clarify that it’s not that I’ve had bad experiences at churches in the past; rather, it’s that I’ve had (effectively) no church experience; I think I’ve attended one actual church service in my life (on a Christmas; my sister was a pianist there). Beyond that, it’s just attending a small handful of ceremonies (weddings and baptisms, etc.) My parents were not Christian so we did not attend church as children.
  6. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

    United States
    I don't think it was just chance that you have a friend that invited you to a Bible Study. Soon you'll be able to "see" where God has directed your steps.
  7. aiki

    aiki Regular Member

    And this is why coming to faith in Christ must be a work of God in you. It is also why any person having a genuine conversion experience as an adult is something of a miracle. There is so much God must overcome within any adult person before they will turn to Him. The struggle, though, isn't over what you will choose intellectually to embrace. That's not what God is urging us toward. God made us to know Him and to walk (or fellowship) with Him in love and humble submission. This, is, at bottom, what most people resist. They have been in charge (so they think) of their own life and don't want that to change. But we all know on a deep, almost instinctive level, that to know and walk with God means we must give up our perceived autonomy, our freedom to act unilaterally in whatever arena of life we consider. We know, too, that the way we've been living is displeasing to God, that we've been wrong - very wrong - in how we've been carrying on and we don't want to admit that this is so. And so, we assuage our conscience by erecting a host of philosophical rationalizations to rid ourselves of the guilt-causing deity of religion. But God doesn't just go away because we've hit upon a bunch of arguments that make us feel better about our rejection of Him. At some point, sooner or later, we will face Him as our Father or Judge and be made to account for the life He gave us.

    Lewis doesn't go nearly far enough in exploring and analogizing to the love-relationship God made us to have with Him. Paul describes it much better:

    Philippians 1:20-21
    20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
    21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

    Yikes! Perhaps for some Christians this is true, but not for me. And, thankfully, not for many others, as well.


    Philosophy and evidence alone will not take you into personal fellowship with God. At some point, you have to stop thinking of God as a proposition, a mere theory to analyze and accept or reject, and deal with Him as the Person that He is. God will not be crammed into your small, comparatively ignorant conception of reality. He stands far, far above you and I and always will. This is the position from which knowing and walking with God begins.

    Isaiah 55:8-9
    8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord.
    9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
  8. Traveling teacher

    Traveling teacher Well-Known Member

    United States
    Faith is a gift from God given to you as you grow closer to Him in a prayerful relationship with Him and with the body of Christ.......
    Ask God to give you His spirit
    And give you faith
    Luke 11:13
    James 1:5-6

    LOve is more important than faith.....
    1 corinthians 13

    But the main emphasis is that you Love the Lord with all your heart......matthew 22:37

    Your on the right track...its not instantanious but a lifelong searching and growing closer to the Lord........
  9. AservantofGodandthelordJC

    AservantofGodandthelordJC New Member

    United States
    You can be an atheist and find God, because God is not a belief. Faith is merely trust in that fact. The fact that God is real. I personally know God is real beyond doubt. Everything you perceive now is taking place in a tiny meaningless spec of existence by comparison to the whole picture. You choose to see what you do because you have been conditioned by your parents, who have been conditioned by their parents ect ect. Delusion is taught and you think it is reality, and its.. I don't know how to describe it. It's incredibly ignorant but everyone has been trained to accept it as normal. So in order to get close to God, you need to start trying to condition yourself to see things threw his eyes. There is nothing cryptic about this, beliefs and opinions with no real leadership have made religion a big web of all this confusing stuff, God is simple. God is simply reality. Delusion is complex.

    Jesus once said, 'There is nothing I have that you do not, the only difference between us now is, I have nothing else.'
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  10. GUANO

    GUANO Active Member

    United States
    I am a Christian who is a fan of Dawkins, Neitzche, and other rationalist psychologists. My biggest problem with church is superstition. There is a LOT of it. When it comes to spirits and demons and other such beliefs, most Christians are stuck in the dark ages while in reality Dawkins and the others are only just beginning to catch up to the Hebrews, Egyptians, Babylonians and other ancients in their understanding of the human psyche. Memetics, the collective unconscious, race memory and other concepts are part of biblical cosmology. I have no problem with church and church is great but as the bible says: work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. I'm a Christian heretic. CS Lewis was a heretic on many issues as well. Isaac Newton is another devout Christian heretic and rationalist.

    What part of the Christian Gospel are you having trouble with? The whole thing? Virgin birth? Resurrection of the dead? Afterlife?
  11. aiki

    aiki Regular Member

    This is a contradiction in terms. If you are a heretic relative to the Christian faith, by definition, you are not, then, a Christian.
  12. GUANO

    GUANO Active Member

    United States
    The term is valid. I am a Christian who holds an opinion that is at odds with what is generally accepted. All protestants were, at one time, considered heretics.
  13. aiki

    aiki Regular Member

    At this point, what is "generally accepted" as fundamental Christian doctrine is not fiercely under dispute - or readily disputable. What the Bible actually teaches has been thoroughly, exhaustively examined, and deeply contemplated, and carefully codified. Consequently, a person today declaring themselves a Christian but in possession of beliefs and opinions contrary to basic, orthodox Christian doctrine is, I think, on par with Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, or Branch Davidians.

    Protestants can demonstrate a high fidelity to, and carefulness toward, Scripture. Can you say the same? Are your "Christian" beliefs strongly anchored in the Bible? Or are they actually departing significantly from it? This is one of the main things that separates a perceived heretic from a real one.
  14. GUANO

    GUANO Active Member

    United States
    I carefully study scripture and am firmly grounded. The biblical worldview that i hold is close to Luther, Calvin and other early protestants. However, protestants of today are not even a shadow of their former selves. John Calvin and Martin Luther would be stoned out of the churches that bare their names. Well, escorted. They would be escorted out lol.
  15. look4hope

    look4hope Love.Fellowship.Joy Supporter

    I don't know really. Seems that it can be described as a choice, whether you know what you're getting yourself into or not. If it feels, sounds and looks sensible to you...than you try it.

    Does that sound...sensible?
  16. DreamerOfTheHeart

    DreamerOfTheHeart Love is the Foundation of Truth

    United States
    Hi Davoarid... :)

    Let me first approach this:

    So, no. The message of Christ is relatively simple, but it is impossible to believe unless the Father gives the person the ability to believe.

    There is true Christianity and false Christianity.

    True Christians everyday have the Holy Spirit bring to mind the teachings of Jesus.

    False Christians do not have this. So, their religion is one of appearances, and which contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

    It is literally that simple.

    No one can read the Gospels, the teachings of Jesus, and believe it excepting the Father brings them to Jesus. This even though, there is so much outside evidence for Jesus, and Jesus does not appear to make any claims which are all that difficult to believe.

    So, this is first and foremost what you might note.

    I could try and persuade you all day, and use every manner of argument to do so, but it would be an useless endeavor, unless the Father has it for you to believe.

    Now, many can believe on hearing the message, but they will not be able to keep the belief. So, they fall away.

    This is like if you can convince your self that you have the ability to win at some sport. You can get into the sport, full of confidence, try and compete. But, reality comes and you get beat. Your belief in your capability goes away in the evidence of the defeat.

    What I stated here, Jesus states in Scripture, albeit in metaphoric form.

    So, belief, if it "feels" like anything? Is like how Elijah heard the voice of God: not in earthquake, not in thunder, but as a soft, still whisper.

    Always there.

    I have very strong beliefs, in a sense, on many matters, of the truth of Jesus Christ, as I have had strong revelations given to me many times over the years. These are unspeakable matters, but I am just noting how belief might have a range.

    As for salvation, I have had this tested in very strong ways, in events which were extremely profound, memorable. But, the core "test" is simply, as both John and Jesus said, 'if you keep the word of Jesus, you keep Jesus in your heart'.

    This is the main thing.

    There really are no good arguments against Christ and the message of Christ. I have read Dawkins and Sagan. All of Dawkins books on the subject.

    Their work was horrible. They relied on the worse sources they could find. Their understanding of Scripture was at an advanced level of stupid. They are smart men who never would have achieved the success they did in their respective fields had they approached their materials with such incredible disregard, disrespect, and horrifically stupid methodology.

    Nietzsche, he was the best critic on Jesus and the message. Brilliant stuff. I dare say. But, Dawkins? Sagan? (Sorry did not bother with Hitchens). Terrible stuff. Absolute stupid.

    Moreso, I come across untrue theology all the time from true Christians. That is far better worked out and usually more honest in an attempt to genuinely figure things out.

    Dawkins could not engage in a theology argument. At best, he is forced to argue, "evolution is true". But, if it is, if it isn't, irrelevant.

    So, if you want to really figure out the "devil's argument" response, look at Nietzsche. He had respect and admiration for Jesus, and admitted it.
  17. Dan Brooks

    Dan Brooks Member

    United States
    Matthew 18:2-4 King James Version (KJV)
    2 "And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

    3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

    Believe on Jesus with simple faith, as a child. The Pharsiees were always questioning Jesus, trying to determine who He really was, and what He was all about, and trying to trip Him up (which they never could do). They were the most religious people of the day, and knew the Scriptures and the law and were very strict. But they were full of pride, and Jesus was harsher on them then anybody else. Read Matthew chapter 23 for a good example of this. They thought they better than everyone else, and holier than everyone else, and Jesus called them hypocrites.
    The Bible says that God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
    Here are some verses that show who Christ came to save.

    Mark 2:17 (Jesus Came to Save Sinners)
    When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

    Matthew 21:28-32 King James Version (KJV) (Jesus Speaking to the Pharisees)
    28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

    29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

    30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.

    31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

    32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

    Luke 15:1-10 King James Version (KJV) (Jesus Receives Sinners)
    15 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

    2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.

    3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

    4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

    5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

    6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

    7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    Luke 18:10-14 King James Version (KJV) (A parable of Jesus).
    10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

    11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

    12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

    13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

    14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

    John 4:5-30 King James Version (KJV) (Jesus Saves the Woman of Samaria)

    5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.

    6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

    7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.

    8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

    9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

    10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

    11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

    12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

    13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

    14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

    15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

    16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.

    17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:

    18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

    19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

    20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

    21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

    22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

    23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

    26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

    27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

    28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,

    29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

    30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.

    John 9 King James Version (KJV) (Jesus Saves the Man Born Blind)
    1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

    2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

    3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

    4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

    5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

    6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,

    7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

    8 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?

    9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

    10 Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?

    11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.

    12 Then said they unto him, Where is he? He said, I know not.

    13 They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.

    14 And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.

    15 Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.

    16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

    17 They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.

    18 But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.

    19 And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?

    20 His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:

    21 But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.

    22 These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

    23 Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.

    24 Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.

    25 He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.

    26 Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes?

    27 He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

    28 Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples.

    29 We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.

    30 The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.

    31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

    32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.

    33 If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.

    34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.

    35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

    36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

    37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

    38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

    39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

    40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

    41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

    Luke 5:17-25 King James Version (KJV) (Jesus Saves and Heals the Mn sick of the Palsy)
    17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.

    18 And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him.

    19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.

    20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

    21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

    22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?

    23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?

    24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

    25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.

    Acts 8:26-38 King James Version (KJV) (The Salvation of the Ethiopian Eunuch)
    26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

    27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

    28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

    29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

    30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

    31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

    32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

    33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

    34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

    35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

    36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

    37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

    38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

    Luke 23:35-43 King James Version (KJV) (Jesus Saves the Man on the Cross)
    35 "And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.

    36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,

    37 And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

    38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This Is The King Of The Jews.

    39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

    40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

    41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

    42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

    43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

    You need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.

    Acts 16:26-33 King James Version (KJV) (The Salvation of the Philippian Jailer)
    26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.

    27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

    28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

    29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

    30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

    31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

    33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

    You can question and question and question all your life (like the Pharisees did) but what if you don't get all the answers you want to your satisfaction? The Pharisees didn't like the answers they got, and they never believed in Jesus and they were never saved, but died in their sins.

    John 8:23-26 King James Version (KJV) (Jesus Speaking to the Pharisees)
    23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

    24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

    But those who believe on Him have everlasting life.

    John 6:47
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

    John 5:24
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    John 3:14-17 King James Version (KJV) (Jesus Speaking to Nicodemas)
    14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    (Nicodemas was a Pharisee but he was different than most. He didn't revile Jesus and mock Him like the others did. He sought Him out and wanted to know the truth. And later in the book of John, it becomes evident that he did end up believing in Him.)

    Turn to Jesus today, believe on Him and receive forgiveness of your sins, and everlasting life.

    Matthew 11:28-29 King James Version (KJV)
    28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    2 Corinthians 6:2
    (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

    Turn to Jesus today, believe on Him and receive forgiveness of your sins, and everlasting life.
  18. cuja1

    cuja1 Newbie

    I don't think that it is necessary for you to ignore these misgivings. But focusing on them will not get you where you would like to go. I have many misgivings as well.

    My solution is to wait for God to dispel my roadblocks.

    You are showing signs that God is working in your life already. I say this due to the fact that you are questioning your previous atheistic beliefs and have a desire to be a Christian.

    Many, if not all, Christians believe that Christ is the One who begins and completes our salvation. There is nothing you can do to save yourself.

    But you can be a willing participant in your salvation. My advice is to ask God for faith, truth, wisdom, and salvation.

    Also, if you begin to see your progress or your desire to be saved as being something God is actively doing in you, it will help you solidify your belief in God all the more. It is God that gives good things like wisdom, faith, and truth. Ask Him for them, and believe even that it was God who gave you the nudge and desire to ask.
  19. chinwendu

    chinwendu Newbie Supporter


    I have heard all you have said, thank you for your openness. Also, you shared you have already begun reading the Bible which is helping already. If you have not read the book of John, may I suggest you read it in its entirety.

    If I may also suggest, if you have not already, that you ask God of heaven, earth, and mankind to help you and show you the concerns of your heart.

    I would like to share something I recently heard on ministry radio. It is titled, "The Gospel" and the gospel means good news.

    We, believers, are praying for you in Jesus name. We are standing in the gap for you and pray all the roadblocks that have been erected are torn down; and you come to the saving grace of God through Jesus Christ, amen.

    The Gospel
    Source: Living God Ministries

  20. chinwendu

    chinwendu Newbie Supporter