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Hyper Dispensation / Hyper Grace Troubles

Discussion in 'Dispensationalism' started by Points To Ponder, Oct 14, 2021.

  1. Points To Ponder

    Points To Ponder The Scriptures are the foundation of my faith.

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    #1 Paul clearly tells us that others were in the body of Christ before he was. Romans 16:7

    #2 The Apostles were in the Body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:27-28

    #3 Paul tells us there is only one Body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:12-20

    #4 Jesus not Paul laid the foundation of the Body of Christ and those in the Body are of Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:11

    #5 The mystery was reveled to Paul by Jesus AND to the Apostles and Prophets by the Holy Spirit. Paul was not the only person who had knowledge of the mystery. The Hyper Grace movement always leave that part out of their message. Ephesians 3:5

    Hyper grace followers like to emphasize that Jesus told the 12 Apostles to preach to the Jews. Of course he did. The mystery was not reveled yet. How could Jesus have told the 12 to go forth and preach salvation by faith to both Jew and Gentile before the mystery was reveled?

    The mystery was reveled by the Holy Spirit to the Apostles for a reason. Why? For the same reason Jesus reveled it too Paul. Why would God tell the 12 of the mystery but not have them to preach it? Hyper grace followers like to be selective when they apply WHO, WHAT, WHEN ,WHY and WHERE logic.

    Hyper grace followers demand that you rightly divide the word of truth. Paul gave that command to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:15. Hyper grace followers demand that we understand WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE and WHY as we read the New Testament. If we take their advise when reading 2 Timothy 2:15 we can clearly see that Paul is telling Timothy (not you and I according to their logic when applied to the Gospels) to rightly divide the word of truth. The fact is that the only thing Timothy could rightly divide was the Old Testament and Pauls letters. Not the epistles of Peter or John or the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John because they were not penned or available to Timothy. Paul preached from the Old Testament scriptures that pointed to Jesus and he preached his revelation from Christ.

    Hyper grace followers want you to believe that the Apostle Paul and the 12 Apostles were preaching different doctrine. This of course was the case before the mystery was reveled. Paul was killing Christians and the 12 were preaching the coming Kingdom. Post revelation of the mystery to both Paul and the Apostles everything changed. One needs to study the timeline of when scriptures were written including the epistles of all authors of the New Testament and understand that after the dispensation of grace and the mystery was reveled to them all of them it is absolutely possible that the 12 were spreading the new message of salvation by faith to both Jew and Gentile. Not before it was reveled but after.

    In 1 Corinthians 1:12 Paul is rebuking the church members in Corinth on who they follow. Apollos, Cephas (Peter). Is it not possible that some members of the Church in Corinth were saved by the preaching from Peter? Did some members hear a message from Peter while in another location, Jerusalem possibly? From Apollos? Did Paul tell those who were followers of Peter that they were not saved? I do not see it. In 1 Corinthians 1:14 Paul says that he baptized Gaius. In 3 John 1:1 John mentions Gaius who HE Loves in Truth. I do not think Paul, Peter and John were preaching a different Gospel post revelation of the mystery. Seems to me they were on the same page sometime after the Holy Spirit reveled the mystery to them. Ephesians 3:5.

    The only way the Hyper Grace / Hyper Dispensation movement can add members is by having them rip from their Bibles everything expect the epistles of Paul. I pray that none of my brothers and sisters in Christ fall for this foolish doctrine.
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  2. lsume

    lsume Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Christ was the firstborn among many. He will appear a second time to those who look for Him. He is the way the truth and the life. When it’s your time to be visited, that’s when it will happen.
  3. GOD Shines Forth!

    GOD Shines Forth! Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My understanding of hyper-Dispensationalism is that even the letters of Paul must be “rightly divided” between his Acts ministry and his Prison ministry. During the acts ministry, Paul was going “to the Jew first”. After Israel became Lo Ammi there was a dispensational change of agency, with Paul as the custodian: "….the dispensation of the grace that was given to me for you…"
  4. Dan Perez

    Dan Perez Active Member

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    And why in Rom 16:8 , 11 , 12 ,13 , and in these verse , WHY does it say ( in the LORD ) instead of saying ( in Christ )

    At this time , for those mentioned in Rom 16: 7 WHEN the BODY of CHRIST was not YET formed .

    #1 Why , in Christ , 47 times

    #2 in the Lord , 41 times

    #3 in Christ 31 times

    #4 in Him , 20 times

    #5 in the Lord Jesus , 6 times

    #6 in WHOM , 6 TIMES

    #7 in Jesus , 1 time

    #8 in Himself , 2 Times

    #9 in the BELOVED , 1 TIME

    And will comment on the above FRIDAY , if I have time .

    Also all have to remember that Israel was set aside in 2 Cor 3:13-15 and Paul says UNTIL THIS DAY a VAIL is upon there heart .

    Does this mean that PART OF THE Body of Christ also was SET ASIDE /

    So which is it ?

    I have met so-called Acts 2 dispensationist

    Acts 11 dispensationist

    Acts 9 dispensationalist , THATS ME

    Then there are ACT 28 dispensationalist which are the HYPER

    dan p
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2021