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How come small trials that showed it is promising you don't consider as well?

Big and small studies, individual case studies, some completed, some almost completed and more starting all the time, noting that each and every patient that is treated with HCQ+ are case studies with over 30 countries participating...and so far the results are extremely positve. So much so that thousands of doctors in numerous countries including the US are stating it should be used as a treatment for covid-19.

New data comes in daily and is added to the already growing support for this trearment...more evidence constitues proof...much to the dismay (apparently) of the ones trying to claim that no no no it`s not.

As has been pointed out...there are two narratives around this ``unofficial cure`` ...one is negative claiming no no no HCQ+ is not effective...and the positive narrative bringing forward evidence daily to support it`s use.

When ones loved ones life is at stake, these meds are proving to be life saving.
 
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The 'small trials' have not held up in actual practice.

Embellished partisanship by the Trump right endangers lives.
Nonsense! There's never been a time where Trump said as an absolute this drug is the only thing they're looking at. But he said it's promising. On another item 6,000 doctors around the world were asked with 15 different options which drug they'd most recommend..... hydroxychloroquine scored the highest with 37% saying they've found it beneficial. So I guess none of that is to be taken seriously?
 
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The 'small trials' have not held up in actual practice.

Embellished partisanship by the Trump right endangers lives.


Really...Which ones are those. The small one not yet published out of France most definitely shows positive results using HCQ+.

Lying about the positive results coming out from over 30 countries on the benefits of these meds KILLS LOVED ONES.
 
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Nonsense! There's never been a time where Trump said as an absolute this drug is the only thing they're looking at. But he said it's promising. On another item 6,000 doctors around the world were asked with 15 different options which drug they'd most recommend..... hydroxychloroquine scored the highest with 37% saying they've found it beneficial. So I guess none of that is to be taken seriously?


Indeed this is true and they are also using the blood from people who have recovered from the viruas and are now immune to extract antibodies to use for treatment of covid-19 as well which is also working well.
 
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JohnAshton said:
The 'small trials' have not held up in actual practice.

Embellished partisanship by the Trump right endangers lives.

Nonsense! There's never been a time where Trump said as an absolute this drug is the only thing they're looking at. But he said it's promising. On another item 6,000 doctors around the world were asked with 15 different options which drug they'd most recommend..... hydroxychloroquine scored the highest with 37% saying they've found it beneficial. So I guess none of that is to be taken seriously?

Now you are engaged in embellished partisanship. One, Trump did say such things. Two, the trials are not hopeful or have been helpful.

Please don't hack for Trump.
 
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Indeed this is true and they are also using the blood from people who have recovered from the viruas and are now immune to extract antibodies to use for treatment of covid-19 as well which is also working well.
No, they are not getting any such effects. This is made up partisanship.
 
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How come small trials that showed it is promising you don't consider as well?
Some showed that people recovered. The problem is that most people recover from this disease without that treatment. That is hardly "promising".

When one tries to use medicine without understanding why, and that appears to be the doctors that are using this, they are treating medicine as magic. Why does this supposedly work? Right now the results are almost certainly the same as if a placebo were used instead.
 
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Really...Which ones are those. The small one not yet published out of France most definitely shows positive results using HCQ+.

Lying about the positive results coming out from over 30 countries on the benefits of these meds KILLS LOVED ONES.
In medicine one cannot only count the successes. One has to count the cases where there was no success as in the study that I posted. The one that I posted focused on those that this medicine supposedly benefits. It did not.

That a person that we healthy when they went in recovered while using HCQ is not unexpected. At least 95% of cases are "mild" anyway. Mild in this case means "did not require hospitalization". They would recover with or without this. They skew the results of small tests. Testing on those that hopefully could benefit did not show the same promise at all.
 
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No, they are not getting any such effects. This is made up partisanship.

And again...where is your evidence of such an outlandish claim??? The treatment nor covid-19 care about politics...only people who interject politics.

Doctors and scientists look for treatments and cures and have been doing an outstanding job. Their day and night effort to succeed in bringing the world an effective treatment should be exalted for bringing real hope, not dismissed as ineffective and anecdotal at best. There comes a time when enough evidence gets presented to be claimed as proof...that time has come, apparently much to the dismay of some.
 
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In medicine one cannot only count the successes. One has to count the cases where there was no success as in the study that I posted. The one that I posted focused on those that this medicine supposedly benefits. It did not.

That a person that we healthy when they went in recovered while using HCQ is not unexpected. At least 95% of cases are "mild" anyway. Mild in this case means "did not require hospitalization". They would recover with or without this. They skew the results of small tests. Testing on those that hopefully could benefit did not show the same promise at all.


And again where are they...those that in fact do claim HCQ+ as ineffective?
 
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In medicine one cannot only count the successes. One has to count the cases where there was no success as in the study that I posted. The one that I posted focused on those that this medicine supposedly benefits. It did not.

That a person that we healthy when they went in recovered while using HCQ is not unexpected. At least 95% of cases are "mild" anyway. Mild in this case means "did not require hospitalization". They would recover with or without this. They skew the results of small tests. Testing on those that hopefully could benefit did not show the same promise at all.

That's not how it works at all. Studies of effectiveness of this treatment are multiple, from different countries, from small, large, and individual case studies with 1000's of doctors world wide stating that HCQ+ should be used as a treatment for covid-19.

And again...you have every opportunity to present your own evidence to support your claims...so where are these studies you speak of.
 
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That's not how it works at all. Studies of effectiveness of this treatment are multiple, from different countries, from small, large, and individual case studies with 1000's of doctors world wide stating that HCQ+ should be used as a treatment for covid-19.

And again...you have every opportunity to present your own evidence to support your claims...so where are these studies you speak of.
No, there are only a handful of poorly done studies at this point in time. The "evidence" is almost all anecdotal.
 
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No, there are only a handful of poorly done studies at this point in time. The "evidence" is almost all anecdotal.
Here is a good summary of the studies that have been reported to date (written by the President-Elect of the International Society for Antiviral Research).
 
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There's never been a time where Trump said as an absolute this drug is the only thing they're looking at. But he said it's promising.
He said it had "a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine", which is a bit more than saying that it's promising.
 
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Here is a good summary of the studies that have been reported to date (written by the President-Elect of the International Society for Antiviral Research).
Isn't that the same article that I linked in the OP? From a different site of course.
 
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Post numbers 28 and 29.

and...I though you were referring to scripture...interesting what gets lost in translation...

Bottom line...

If you are so afraid of this treatment...so unsure of it's effectiveness...then don't take it...that's your choice...some people aren't satisfied with any amount of evidence to serve as proof...so be it.

It's unlikely I would need to take it...but certainly in future could take it as a preventative measure. More importantly are my friends and family who may need the life saving benefits evident from those being treated in the past, present (real time) and future with HCQ+.

There is also the option of getting the antibodies from those whom have already had the illness and are now immune. Blood is being taken for that very purpose and there are other treatments being looked at as well.

A survey of over 2000 doctors from many different countries have stated that HCQ+ should be used as a treatment for the illness.
 
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