Humans can't or don't want to repent in hell?

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think of young people in thier mid 20's who don't really think about God and die in car accident .

Admitted -- that is a sad thought.

Not sure why God has left me here for this long -- considering how I lived my life -- fast lane -- very grateful -- thank Him daily.
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Once we die it's too late to repent and Purgatory is just a man-made thing that he wishes was true.
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How do you know Purgatory is man-made and not the place of heaven and Hell? Being as how you have never experienced either of the three?
 
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How do you know Purgatory is mad-made and not the place of heaven and Hell? Being as how you have never experienced either of the three?
Mad-made hehe :D you got that right
 
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Actually these people at least have chance , think of young people in thier mid 20's who don't really think about God and die in car accident .
And these people, then, would have had a few minutes to get right, in the time of God. As 80 years is about 27mins.....20 years would be about 7 minutes.

Yet the religious place these people in torment, while placing the 80 years old who says a few words in heaven......All while saying God is doing it.
 
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How do you know Purgatory is mad-made and not the place of heaven and Hell? Being as how you have never experienced either of the three?

No strong supporting evidence found in the Bible.

Originated within the Catholic Church.

M-Bob
 
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No strong supporting evidence found in the Bible.

Originated within the Catholic Church.

M-Bob
Yet, Hell was not created in the Bible.......if so, show me where. I see creations of Heaven and Earth....but no Hell. So the religious created it....the physical place, that is. So if we are ok with the creation of hell, in the mind of man....we should be ok with Purgatory as well.

All our ideas are coming from interpretations and no experience.....so we cant possibly say we know for sure what is there and what is not.

But we can find out now, yet while we live.....but unfortunately, we have to be willing to give up the willingness to be satisfied with beliefs before we can know. Yet most are willing to just believe until they die and see what happens.
 
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Yet, Hell was not created in the Bible.......if so, show me where. I see creations of Heaven and Earth....but no Hell. So the religious created it....the physical place, that is. So if we are ok with the creation of hell, in the mind of man....we should be ok with Purgatory as well.

All our ideas are coming from interpretations and no experience.....so we cant possibly say we know for sure what is there and what is not.

But we can find out now, yet while we live.....but unfortunately, we have to be willing to give up the willingness to be satisfied with beliefs before we can know. Yet most are willing to just believe until they die and see what happens.

It's not rocket science hell is mentioned many hundreds of times in the Bible Purgatory is not.
M-Bob
 
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It's not rocket science hell is mentioned many hundreds of times in the Bible Purgatory is not.
M-Bob
It is only mentioned "hundreds of times" because it was the default English word for a few places....not just a singular place or a singular greek word. And there was no creation of this singular place mentioned.....so we assume and live our lives based on this assumption. which is ok. But let us also allow others to make a purgatory and castles in the sky and all that good stuff as well. Doesnt seem like a thought of the wise, to make there own created places truth, while condemning the creations of others.
 
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We know that the devils --don’t want-- to repent, he is too produs even to think to his repentance or to come to God with humility.

But what make the humans to --can’t repent-- after death, we know that they want to stop the suffering, (the health from the Gospel) want to seek God (five Virgins parable), --want to repent–we can say that a part of their free will want get away from hell, but what make this impossible?
Think of it as a football team...
Christ is the coach
All the players must follow the rules. Christ tells them the rules.. Everyone on the team, in practice, breaks a rule but Christ shows them their error.
They believe in Him.

When it comes to game time... The player that breaks the rule, now faces the umpire or referee... Once you get a red card... your out of the game...



Does this player wish to be back in the game. Wish to say that they will play right? Some do, some don't

Can any of them come back in the game? No.

I don't know what hell is or what it holds. I don't know if it has different levels of punishment to represent the vast differences in the evil in that people do on this earth, or not.

I do believe that once you die... you are set in your eternal state.

The example of the rich man and the beggar make this clear.

I do know that hell, whatever it is, is not an enjoyable place. All who go there, whether they wish to repent or not, will wish to be somewhere else.
 
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Adrian: "But what make the humans to --can’t repent-- after death, we know that they want to stop the suffering, (the health from the Gospel) want to seek God (five Virgins parable), --want to repent–we can say that a part of their free will want get away from hell, but what make this impossible?"
So far this thread demonstrates an appalling ignorance of what the Word teaches about postmortem salvation. Among many points on this question, consider just these 4:

(1) The Risen Jesus preaches to deceased evil human "spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19)." This preaching implies a chance to repent and be saved; and indeed, their salvation is implied by 4:6.

(2) Paul presents proxy baptism for the unsaved dead as part of the process by which God will ultimately be "all in all" or "everything to everyone (1 Corinthians 15:28-29). But this practice does not imply a jailbreak out of Hell. Rather, it implies the possibility of postmortem repentance.

(3) The hymn in Philippians 2:6-11 envisages the possibility of all the living and dead, in heaven, hell, and on earth bowing before Jesus and making the saving confession that Jesus is Lord. In 1 Corinthians 12:3 Paul makes it clear that this confession cannot be sincerely made apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. If the damned had no hope of salvation, they would make no such confession. So the repentance of the damned is assumed by the hymn. Indeed, the whole hymn is based on the invitation to universal salvation in Isaiah 45:22-23.

(4) In 1 Timothy, Paul teaches that God "wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth (2:4)." But does Paul mean by this that God will eventually be the Savior of unbelievers, living and dead? Yes, Paul then refers to God as "the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe (4:10)." "Especially" means more immediately, implying that God can become the Savior of unbelievers after their death. Nowhere does the Bible say that God stops loving lost souls after death and 4:10 implies that this love can lead to their postmortem repentance and salvation.[/QUOTE]
 
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To me what never made sense was---in the OT...it was "eye for an eye" or "tooth for a tooth". whatever sin you committed, you had to pay for it with equal punishment. Now we are in the age of grace. Jesus died for our sins and we get to have eternal life even when we didn't earn or deserve it. We are to love our enemies. "Love covers a multitude of sins". The pendulum went from center to right. Yet if we die in sin, we are somehow deserving of an infinite torment for a temporary state of sin? Then the pendulum swings past center "eye for an eye" to eternal torment? How can the pendulum swing so far in the opposite direction? It makes no sense.
Indeed; it makes no sense. Those who hold to eternal punishment claim that sins against an infinite God deserve infinite punishment to which I say hogwash. Scripture states that God is just. Since I presume that you would acknowledge that God is just, is punishment the same thing as justice? We would both agree that being condemned to the lake of fire qualifies as punishment but does it meet the demands of justice? For example, a rapist could rape a woman. He claims he is innocent and is not repentant for his crime but is found guilty and sentenced to prison. We would agree that the rapist is being punished but the rape victim will have to live with the consequences of what happened for the rest of her life. Is that justice as the victim has life-long consequences through no fault of her own? Suppose yet that a child was conceived and born as a result of the rape and the mother now has the responsibility to raise the child on her own while the perpetrator does nothing but sit in jail. Is that justice? Based on this example, it can be argued that there is a difference between punishment and justice as the former does not always meet the demands of the latter. The pertinent question to consider then is how can punishment also meet the demands of justice in this case? I would submit that the answer demands that the perpetrator of the crime has to willingly agree to make amends and seek reconciliation with his victim. He needs to admit guilt, seek forgiveness and make recompense for his crime - perhaps some sort of ongoing financial obligation/support when he leaves prison and hopefully gets a job. The point is justice is only accomplished when the perpetrator participates in making amends toward the one he is guilty of offending.

I believe this human scenario approximates the picture of how God deals with us justly for our sins against Him. There is Biblical precedent for this view of punishment/justice throughout the scriptures. For example Ex 22:1 states: "If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and kills it or sells it, he shall repay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep." In the NT, Zacchaeus promises Jesus that he will restore fourfold those whom he has defrauded. These instances exemplify that justice demands not just the aspect of punishment but also recompense in order to make amends and fully bring about God's justice.

Given this scriptural evidence, we can apply this to the concept of an eternal hell. Being condemned to eternal punishment in the lake of fire certainly constitutes as punishment but it does not bring about God's justice because the inhabitants in the lake of fire have no opportunity to admit their guilt, seek forgiveness and seek to make recompense as it is "already too late." They must suffer the consequence of their sin forever - or so we are told. There is no chance for amends and reconciliation with God and therein lies the weakness with the retributive punishment of hell. The view of the lake of fire that is most consistent with the scriptures and the character of God is the view where the lake of fire is for the purpose of chastisement where sinners recognize their sin against God, repent and seek forgiveness from the Lamb. Of course they, like all of us cannot repay their debt against God except that they believe in the sacrificial atonement of Jesus to make recompense for their sin. Like the rapist example it requires willing participation on their part as guilty sinners before a holy God. This reconciliation model of the lake of fire requires that the sinners must endure the purifying fires of hell in order that they may seek reconciliation with the Lamb who is also present in the lake of fire (Rev 14:10) so that one day God's ultimate goal of reconciliation is achieved. "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross" (Col 1:19-20).
 
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You are, of course, assuming an eternally burning hell, which I do not believe is true. Punishment is meant to teach, to bring about a change, But there is nothing left to teach a sinner in hell---they are there, not to be taught, but to serve the punishment given them for their sins. At their allotted time of suffering their life ends.

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

And where do you get the idea that punishment is meant to correct a person? When God killed everyone except Noah and Sons, which lessons did the dead learn?

The Bible is clear about eternal hellfire.
 
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To me what never made sense was---in the OT...it was "eye for an eye" or "tooth for a tooth". whatever sin you committed, you had to pay for it with equal punishment. Now we are in the age of grace. Jesus died for our sins and we get to have eternal life even when we didn't earn or deserve it. We are to love our enemies. "Love covers a multitude of sins". The pendulum went from center to right. Yet if we die in sin, we are somehow deserving of an infinite torment for a temporary state of sin? Then the pendulum swings past center "eye for an eye" to eternal torment? How can the pendulum swing so far in the opposite direction? It makes no sense.

Some things aren't meant to be understood logically

1st Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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And where do you get the idea that punishment is meant to correct a person? When God killed everyone except Noah and Sons, which lessons did the dead learn?

The Bible is clear about eternal hellfire.

None---they got the justice that was meant to be given. That is the consequence of their sin. So is hell. That is the consequence of sin, sin is a separation from God, sin can not live in the presence of a Holy God. Justice is how long it will take "according to their works."

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rev_20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
 
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None---they got the justice that was meant to be given. That is the consequence of their sin. So is hell. That is the consequence of sin, sin is a separation from God, sin can not live in the presence of a Holy God. Justice is how long it will take "according to their works."

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rev_20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Where do you get the idea that punishment is meant to correct a person?
Where do you get the idea that justice is "How long it will take"
 
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We know that the devils --don’t want-- to repent, he is too produs even to think to his repentance or to come to God with humility.

But what make the humans to --can’t repent-- after death, we know that they want to stop the suffering, (the health from the Gospel) want to seek God (five Virgins parable), --want to repent–we can say that a part of their free will want get away from hell, but what make this impossible?
Matthew 10:28 Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna (WEB - Public Domain).

Hell is not a lake of fire, like some volcanic caldera. It is the destruction of body and soul. The unforgivable will not be punished forever. There will be no more life of any sort for them. Jesus promised a few will be saved.
 
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remember, to God, our whole life is about 27mins long.....If you take 1day as 1000years to God, literally........and this is only if you live to be 80years.

To someone who has been and always will be around forever, any length of time is no time at all. A day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day, because both are finite, which is about the same as nothing to an infinite God.
 
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Well OP the answer .. not one will be able to answer. No MAN knows. Where is it written after death they can't repent? Know the story Jesus told.. I know about after death comes judgment.

You know Satan was created in the light. He was saw walked in things we can't even imagine. And he and his angels freely wanted to.. walked away from the Father. Now WE.. born in sin.. day in day out we see it hear it feel it DO IT and breath it. Most NEVER even taste anything from the Father. And what they do see hear taste they have no clue it was from Him. HE KNOWS ALL THIS. You NEVER listen to MAN when one talks about this stuff aka hell.

Jesus said ALL SINS can be forgiven other then one. As I read the word.. I found that SIN does not lead to every lasting punishment. I have read that in this world SIN.. the wages the price for sin is death. Where did God tell Adam and Eve.. if you SIN you are lost from me forever? Never happen. He STILL was with them talked to them. Cain kills able.. God TALKS TO HIM! Wheres your brother? Why is his blood calling crying to me from he ground.

So the more I read the more I find.. the HEART is what the Father sees and then judges on. He can not will not judge anyone for something they never heard or knew. For me..it always has to be written and I am ALWAYS learning and only HE the Father is right. That being said.. I heard a story I take with a grain of salt. The man was sick.. dying..died. It was during that time he got saved. I can't call that man a liar. I would have to tell someone.. truth.. that is.. in THIS LIFE you can repent ..always. But after this life.. its final? well He said comes judgement. Have faith.. for many are blind and if they were blind they would have no sin. He does not want to lose anyone. And I do not believe ANY are lost by mistakes. I mean.. they KNOW the choices they made. they KNOW they do not want GOD or every lasting life..

Have faith your Father KNOWS what He is doing
 
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Once we die it's too late to repent and Purgatory is just a man-made thing that he wishes was true.
M-Bob
Not sure why you thought purgatory has anything to do with this conversation, but since you bring it up, the doctrine's origins are far from man-made.
 
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