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Human Folly And God's Wrath

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Senecharnix, Oct 2, 2012.

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  1. JesusMartyr

    JesusMartyr New Member

    Christians have no concern for that which befalls the world. We all know it will be destroyed, and that we who preach the Gospel will suffer for it. It has always been that way and will remain that way until the end. Jesus is in control of all things, having all power in Heaven and earth. What, shall we not be faithful in him, but have fears and doubts about how He is running things?
    Not me :)

    (Dan 4:17) The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the lowest of men.

    (Mat 28:18) And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

    (Tit 3:1) Put them in mind to be in subjection to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready unto every good work,

    (Rom 13:1) Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.

    (Rom 13:2) Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment.

    (Rom 13:3) For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:

    (Rom 13:4) for he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil.

    (Rom 13:5) Wherefore ye must needs be in subjection, not only because of the wrath, but also for conscience sake.

    (Rom 13:6) For for this cause ye pay tribute also; for they are ministers of God’s service, attending continually upon this very thing.

    (Rom 13:7) Render to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
  2. Der Alter

    Der Alter This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

    United States
    Hate to break this to you but you aren't Jesus. But as a matter of fact Jesus did make specific prophesies. He told Peter "Before the cock crows you will deny me three times" and he did. Also in the OT God through Isaiah made a specific prophesy, "before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that you abhor shall be forsaken of both her kings." Isaiah 7:14.

    About the embargo on Cuba. In October 1962 Russian nuclear missiles were emplaced in Cuba aimed at the US. I was participating in a joint military execise in the Pacific NW which was abruptly canceled and many of the forces involved were suddenly diverted to Florida. About No. Korea they have refused to discuss peace as long as the US supports So. Korea. They have continuously built up their military and threatened So. Korea. Remember No. Korea, supported by China, attacked So. Korea without warning June 1950 not the other way round.

    I consider these claims no more valid that the ones about Cuba and No. Korea.

    You have this backwards.

    What happened in April 2014 that you prophesied?
  3. IchoozJC

    IchoozJC Regular Member

    I think he's talking about China buying fuel from Russia. Yeah, big deal! That's why these false internet prophets make vague prophesies because they can just read the paper everyday and know they will eventually find something to weave into their falsephies.
  4. Senecharnix

    Senecharnix The Emissary

    Christian Seeker
    The deal in question is bigger than big. But it was just one of various deals that Russia and China agreed upon. The thing that makes the gas deal so big is that Russia and China will shunt the dollar and use their own currencies of exchange. Some of the other deals revolve around military and intelligence sharing. They also now have partners in their drive to end the dollar's reign as the reserve currency and are inspiring other nations to search for alternatives to the dollar. Likewise, they have also begun grooming partners to help them in the geopolitical and military theaters of our world. So, yes, what began in April is an immense deal....
  5. Senecharnix

    Senecharnix The Emissary

    Christian Seeker
    You are so far off the mark that you are not even in the game. God most certainly does care about what goes on here and about how nations conduct themselves...And you are a troll....

    By the way, your false assumptions about God and my duties in His regard will not prevent Him from stomping all over America someday not too long from now. And He will do so largely through Russia and China....

    Lastly, I do agree there is no such thing as a (true) Christian nation. The problem is that many of America's so-called Christians failed to read the memo. They fervently believe America is a Christian nation. All of that is beside the fact that the overwhelming majority of folks in America describe themselves as Christians....
  6. Senecharnix

    Senecharnix The Emissary

    Christian Seeker
    A huge development happened. Russia and China finally decided to work together closely against America's foolishness and impulse to play goddess of our world. As I said, America made a fatal mistake via her follies concerning the Ukraine and subsequent antagonism of Russia. We will all pay an immense price someday for our government's foolishness concerning the matter. The loss of the dollar as the reserve currency is but one penalty stalking our future. You might not consider that anything to fret about. If you do, you are humoring yourself. Once the dollar loses its reserve currency status, all of America's debts--governmental and private--will become monsters wrecking havoc with America's financial and economic systems. Inflation will run wild. Food will begin becoming much more expensive and harder to obtain. The Stock Market and commodity markets will crash and burn. Meanwhile, we will discover that the dollar is not even make good toilet paper....

    All of that is beside the fact that Russia and China will continue upgrading their armed forces. America's armed forces, in turn, will begin to deteriorate rapidly. Her attempts to keep trying to play goddess of our world will stir trouble for herself and kindle World War III. She will lose it spectacularly--and America will no longer exist. Period. According to what the Son told me, the humanity will suffer more than four billion casualties thanks to the war's ravages. No doubt, radiation poisoning will cause most of the deaths in question....

    Nonetheless, until the developments in April, the one thing that remained conspicuously absent from reality in relation to what I have warned about since I was a kid was Russia and China working closely together to challenge America. Now, they are on the path to working closely together to end America's reign as would-be-goddess of the Earth. As I have said again and again, God is helping them. That is because He shall destroy America through them just as He destroyed Ancient Israel through the Assyrian Empire and Ancient Judea through the Babylonian Empire....
    Last edited: May 28, 2014
  7. he-man

    he-man he-man

    United States
    On the bright side, this lack of consensus on the identity of Ezekiel’s Rosh affords an opportunity for further contributions. Indeed, we shall show that the discussion may be further advanced—though its direction may be reversed—by the presentation here of material from the Ancient Near East that has previously not been taken into account, as well as by the reexamination of later historical data. Thus it can be stated with some confidence that the Rosh of Ezekiel 38:2,3 and 39:1 may find its original identity among a number of candidates in recently published Ancient Near Eastern literature, and that, via its identification with the “Rus’” by the 9th-century Byzantines, Ezekiel’s Rosh ultimately lent its name to modern Russia.
    Moreover, the other northern nations of Ezekiel—Gog, Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, and Togarmah—also may indirectly but ultimately refer to the territory of modern Russia, or to areas until recently under her control.

    Apparently represented by the nations of “Paras, Cush and Put” (Ezekiel 38:5). J. Simons, Geographical and Topographical Texts of the Old Testament (Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1959), ad loc.

    Just two verses after the passage being debated, Ezekiel lists three nations, and the list follows the same pattern as “Rosh [no AND] Meshech AND Tubal,” above: “Paras, [no AND] Cush, AND Put” (Ezek, 38:5).

    Ezekiel 27 substantiates the fact that these names were real nations whose identity could be traced far into the future—that is, toward the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy. This list, which portrays commercial activity in the 6th century BCE, includes five of the names on the war list in Ezekiel 38 (Paras, Put, Meshech, Tubal, and Beth Togarmah). In this context, these nations are quite real and identifiable. Furthermore, their fascination with trade and materialism seems unchanged in the Gog passage eleven chapters later.

    Today, the nations occupying the territories of Ezekiel’s prophecy (Paras, Cush, and Put) are, respectively, Iran,57 Sudan, and Libya—precisely the “peripheral” nations that commentators insisted could not be associated. On the other hand, in the early 1980s, after the Islamic/socialist revolutions in Libya (Ezekiel’s Put), Iran (Paras), and Sudan (the biblical Cush)—and the rising tide of Islamic fundamentalism that swept over all the Middle East—cooperation and coordination between the Islamic regimes in Libya, Iran, and Sudan was not at all problematic.

    Significantly, these three Arab nations are on record as being the most vociferously anti-Zionist of the Arab world. They also represent the most aggressive Islamic states in their training and export of terrorism worldwide.

    Iran (Ezekiel’s Paras/Persia) underwent an Islamic revolution at the end of the 1970s that reoriented the country against the West—whom Arabs call The Prophecy that Is Shaping History “the Crusaders”—and against Israel.82 Libya (Ezekiel’s Put) follows the radical Islamic agenda of its leader, Mu‛ammar Qadhafi, and represents a major player within Islamic extremism.

    I owe most of the argument and data for this section on Rosh as a proper name to James D. Price, “Rosh: An Ancient Land Known to Ezekiel,” Grace Theological Journal 6:1 (Spring 1985), 67-89.

    We all know what happened recently in regard to Lybia.
  8. JesusMartyr

    JesusMartyr New Member

    Maybe. So what? If so, so what? It's just another doomsday headline in the news we all see. Just like the end of the world in 1962 bay of pigs incident. Folk got pretty religious then too lol.
    "Men's hearts failing them for fear of worldly things.", Jesus said. But not for those who trust in Him He also said.
    And if the worst happens to America, good. It's about time. With all the homosexuality and Trinitarian nonsense, the two biggest stinks in God's nostrils, it is imminent. We all know that. But it has no affect on us Christians. That is why we know you have no inspiration from God, for HE doesn't bother His Children with this non-sense. He fills us with the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel, which is salvation from death. He has made us pillars in His Temple and nothing can hurt us, even the torture and death of this body is desirable. Crucifying self is what it is all about. Not preserving self. That is opposite of what scriptures has us be concerned of, our bodies, what we eat wear or where we live or how long we live, is inconsequential to God or to us. All of us, our bodies will die. Death when it comes, in whatever form it might come, is never a concern for the Lord's anointed. It just doesn't matter.

    Oh, and you can't compare anything of God's warnings in the O.T. to His THEN wife Israel. America has never been His wife nor ever been a part of scriptural concern one way or the other.

    (1Jn 4:1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    (1Jn 4:2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

    Have YOU received Jesus Christ COME IN YOUR FLESH? If so, why aren't you speaking HIS WORDS?
  9. Senecharnix

    Senecharnix The Emissary

    Christian Seeker
    I could be wrong. But I believe the prophecy in question pertains to developments that remain far in the future--long after the millennium of harmony, righteousness, and wisdom ends. From what I have been shown about that period, there are going to be two main groups of peoples--the utopianists and the savages. I believe the peoples of Rosh, Gog, Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, and Togarmah will eventually emerge from the savages in the areas that you and others indicate as their homelands. Then again, who knows? It is such a mysterious but intriguing prophecy. Perhaps, the prophecy will prove pertinent to developments and events lurking in the near future. One of the reasons why I doubt Russia will play much of a role in what is to come toward the end of this age in regard to "Israel" is that I do not see her surviving the coming big war intact. Even though she and China will demolish America, she will sustain much damage. China, however, will survive more or less intact and cause big problems for many other nations....

    I cannot imagine that the radical Islamists will ever manage to gather the types of munitions needed to ever challenge Israel beyond perpetuating "terrorism" and hurling rhetoric at her. Not even Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States can obtain what they would need to defeat her--and they cannot manufacture such. Iran is the only nation in the equation that might be able to do so. Still, I just do not see her as posing an existential threat to Israel. She is a much bigger threat for Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States...Many folks believe that the armed forces of Israel and America would suffer no difficulty demolishing Iran's armed forces. If they start a war with her, though, it is likely she would hurt Israel quite a bit and hurt America's navy somewhat severely. Still, she can kill neither Israel nor America's armed forces in the Near East....

    Perhaps, I am mistaken. But I believe a European empire or strong confederation will devour "Israel" before the returning Son destroys it. Though the nations of Europe will suffer much damage and heavy population losses during the big war, enough of their peoples and industrial capacity will survive for them to recover enough to cause big problems for the nations and peoples in the Near East. No doubt, you have noticed the antagonism that smolders between Europeans in general and the peoples of North Africa and the Near East. History will yet introduce another crusade....

    God and the Son have not revealed many specifics about that stage of this historical epoch--just glimpses. They, however, have revealed that things will not go well at all for "Israel." Regardless of who causes her trouble, she will be reduced to a desolation returning to nature. That is also more or less true, concerning Egypt. In fact, all of the Arab nations will end up devastated by the same war that will destroy Israel....
    Last edited: May 29, 2014
  10. Senecharnix

    Senecharnix The Emissary

    Christian Seeker

    Whether you are as much a child of God as you seem to believe, you need to ask God why He and the Son have shown to me what they have revealed and told me what they have said to me about these matters. All I know is that they have done so and that God asked me to serve Him as one of his emissaries....

    The following is my (for lack of a better word) manifesto....

    An Invitation to Transformation

    Fellow Children of the Earth:
    Dear brothers and sisters, we are drawing near the crossroads of history; the Earth has entered an age of transition--she is inevitably be-coming desolate in too many places and too many ways. Make no mistake: The Great Harvest of Good and Evil is coming soon, unless we change and most of us become much better than we have been. For here we stand in the dawn of the Space Age, yet most of us are essentially the same folks who hunted mammoths and reindeer, and dwelt in caves. Brothers and sisters that ought not to be so.
    Did Jesus strive in vain? Are his words empty? Were his deeds silly and his ways insane? Why do we talk like him, while doing every-thing he opposed?
    Generation after generation, people have been dreaming of utopias and saying that the world would be wonderful if only...Well, brothers and sisters, the time has come to stop being only dreamers and talkers and start becoming planners and doers. It has always been up to us to choose what the world shall be like, but thus far, we have persistently chosen to keep it a darkling realm. To change it into a paradise, however, we must first transform ourselves. In order to do so, we must stop relying on religion, economics, politics, government, laws, education, science, and technology. All of these things are necessary, yet each of them is woefully inadequate to make us better people. For the answers to our problems, we must look inside ourselves and fight the only wars worth waging—those which rage in our minds, hearts, and souls. If we can summon the courage, strength, and resolve to win those conflicts, we shall inherit a wondrous future. Otherwise, we will deserve what we shall reap: tribulation and woe, and ultimately, destruction.
    Do not deceive yourselves: The little people and the mighty, the rich and the poor, are equally guilty in making our world worse than she should be and of destroying the Earth’s beauty, while plundering her bounty. Most of us do so for the sake of Vanity and Pride, while worshipping the Unholy Trinity of Me, Myself, and I. Brothers and sisters, that must stop. We were put here to serve one another and God—not ourselves. Indeed, if we are to survive and prosper, we should do our utmost to:

    • Become less childish and more childlike.
    • Ask not what the world can do for us, but what we can do for the world.
    • Turn away from Evil and Darkness.
    • End our romance with the Ways of Death.
    • Forsake our addictions to the (deadliest) fruits of Pride and Vanity: Selfishness; Arrogance; Hypocrisy; Greed; Hedonism, Materialism; Jealousy; Envy; Covetousness; and Hate.
    • Smash our idols.
    • Make Love our only god. (Who or what did John say God is? Well, if God is love, then love is God. All other aspects of Him seem to confuse most people.)
    • Embrace Compassion, Charity, Mercy, and Tolerance as our only creed, philanthropy as our only religion, and altruism as our only ideology.
    • Let resolving to do better be our only sacraments.
    • Practice sacrificing our egos as our daily ritual. (In far too many cases, such sacrifices would, indeed, be great.)
    • Become honorable, gallant and noble to a fault.
    • Render the Golden Rule our greatest law and our primary medium of exchange.
    • Dedicate ourselves to the propositions that everyone is a jewel to cherish and that our most wonderful treasures and greatest assets are one another.
    • Celebrate our individuality and revel in our diversity, while becoming ruthlessly cooperative and zealous about sharing.
    • Use force only to protect others.
    • Forgive, forgive, forgive, forgive....
    • Repay insults with praise.
    • Answer curses with blessings.
    • Forget all debts.
    • Swallow all grudges
    • Put aside all feuds.
    • Renounce all vendettas.
    • Do good to everyone whether we like them or they despise us.
    • Venerate our elders. They deserve special consideration: For they are not only our links to the past, but are also troves of experience, knowledge, wisdom, skills, talents, and ideas.
    • Allow everyone everywhere their dignity by honoring their right to seek their destiny by their own ways and means, so long as they refrain from infringing upon the rights of others or harming the Earth.
    • Likewise, allow all families, organizations, companies, regions, provinces, and nations to also seek their destinies by their own ways and means, so long as they, too, refrain from infringing upon the rights of their neighbors or harming the Earth.
    • Never endeavor to impose our ways and means or objectives upon others. For, though ours might be right and good, and our intentions pure, we are always wrong to do so. In order to be agents of Harmony, we can be no other way than to remain humble and serve.
    • Regard all homes as sacred—sanctuaries from the intrusions of society and the state.
    • Respect authority.
    • Obey all just laws.
    • Do nothing to undermine or overthrow any government, and instead, encourage them to become as small, weak and decentralized as is practical, and as unobtrusive and socially neutral as possible. We should also encourage all governments to adopt altruocracy, while encouraging all societies to adopt proprietism (doing that which is proper and righteous) as their guiding philosophy. (To find out exactly what “altruocracy” and “proprietism” constitute, read NEXUS INFINITAS.)
    • Be patient and believe in one another and our cause, looking forward to the day that insurance will become obsolete, lawsuits relics of the past, and borders little more than lines on maps.
    • Know that all creatures are precious, and so, be kind to them, and if they are wild, allow them to remain free and help them to thrive.
    • End our war with Nature.
    • Stop being the Earth’s rapist, and instead, hasten the day that all of her--from the tops of her mountains to the bottoms of her seas--will be owned by everyone, yet possessed by nobody.
    • Spare no effort, make every sacrifice, and use all resources necessary to heal the Earth and transform her into what she was meant to be: a grand park of gardens and wildernesses, and a living menagerie. (She will not mind if we live beneath her lands.)
    • Stop piddling around and become fanatics about exploring and colonizing space, and exploiting the astoundingly abundant resources and various useful aspects thereof.
    • Those who would be paragons take note: All knights should be Galahad, all captains Kirk, all first officers Spock, and all generals Cincinnatus; all outlaws should be Robin Hood and all lawmen John Wayne; all protesters should be Lady Godiva, all revolutionaries Gandhi, and all opposition leaders Nelson Mandela; all reformers should be either Martin Luther or Gorbachev, all presidents George Washington, and all prime ministers either Churchill or Thatcher; all kings should be David, all queens Elizabeth, all princes Solomon, and all princesses Diana; all conquerors should be Alexander and all emperors Augustus; all preachers should be Reverend King, all evangelists either Billy or Paul, all bishops Saint Nicholas, and all popes Mother Teresa; all patriarchs should be Abraham and all prophets Moses; all sages should be either Chief Seattle or Confucius, all philosophers Plato, and all teachers Socrates; all healers should be Nostradamus, Albert Schweitzer, or Hawkeye, all inventors Benjamin Franklin, and all innovators Bill Gates; all artists should be either Michelangelo or van Gogh and all writers Jefferson, Twain, Dickens, or Shakespeare; all heroes should be Xena, all followers Gabrielle, and all friends Hercules and Iolaus; all rich folks should be Beverly Hillbillies and all tycoons Andrew Carnegie. (Doubtless, few of us possess what it takes to equal, much less surpass, the lofty heights of benevolence, virtue, wisdom, and genius represented by these names. But if you try hard enough, you might just surprise yourself.)

    Dear brothers and sisters, you may think us ridiculous. But we of the Nexus Infinitas Initiative believe that we children of the Earth can improve our world and ourselves. It is our most fervent hope that you will join our efforts. Therefore, we invite you to stand with us and believe. Indeed, adherents of all faiths and even unbelievers are welcome within our ranks. Regardless of gender, trade, ethnic mix, race, class, nationality, sexual orientation, or political affiliation, you are eligible to become our brothers and sisters, friends and comrades. Whether a freeman, retainer, bondsman, or prisoner, you are welcome to join us. You do not even need to pay dues or donate money. All we require is that you strive to become the best person you can possibly be and do all you can to help transform our world into a paradise where every morning is Christmas, every day Thanksgiving, and every night New Year’s Eve. Is there a goal more worthy of achieving?

    It is not nearly enough to talk a good game about being a Christian. A true child of God must be as righteous and wise as possible--and shun the world's ways. Indeed, they must strive to become Godly in all ways...
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  11. Der Alter

    Der Alter This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

    United States
    Never endeavor to impose our ways and means or objectives upon others. For, though ours might be right and good, and our intentions pure, we are always wrong to do so. In order to be agents of Harmony, we can be no other way than to remain humble and serve." Do you not violate your own principle every time you post?
  12. FreeinChrist

    FreeinChrist CF Advisory team Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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