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Human Evolution

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by doubtingmerle, Jul 18, 2022.

  1. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    Ah, so your God was not the one that invented that 2 plus 2 would equal 4 as you once claimed.
     
  2. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Again I'm not the judge.

    But for the record ...

    Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
     
  3. Mark Quayle

    Mark Quayle Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Ok, you got a point there.
     
  4. Mark Quayle

    Mark Quayle Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Man! Hahaha!

    Ok, I'll play. How do you come up with this one?
     
  5. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Remember:

    He's appealing to figments of the imagination in an attempt to get you to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
     
  6. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    I contend that it is logically impossible for 2 + 2 to equal 10. God Almighty does not have the power to make 2 + 2 = 10.

    Do you or do you not agree that God Almighty does not have the power to make 2 + 2 = 10?

    You said that God invented mathematics. I say that nobody invented mathematics. 2 + 2 = 4 and always equals 4. There is nothing that any God could do to change that fact. There was no need for a God to invent that 2 + 2 = 4.
     
  7. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    Got it. You need to use the right name for God or you will burn in hell forever for calling upon the wrong name. Can you please furnish me with a list of acceptable names to use? It would be a pity for somebody to burn in hell forever simply because the name she used to address God was not on the list of approved names.
     
  8. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    My list consisted of 3 members: God, Hod, and Nod. Are they all figments of imagination?

    And here is how I defined Nod:

    Nod is as close to nothing as you can get. You see, in our universe it is impossible to have nothing. There are always quantum effects even in what we call empty space. And, it could be that you can't even really get a state of nothing outside our universe. Maybe you always have something. Lets call that minimal state of reality Nod.
    In what sense is Nod a figment of my imagination?
     
  9. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    Ah, so you cannot demonstrate that Hod is impossible?

    Hod, if it exists, has the power to create the universe, but has no mind. Thus Hod is much simpler than God.

    And you cannot demonstrate that Hod is impossible?
     
  10. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    You say this in response to the assertion that missionaries translate "God" as "Alleh" when they are working in Arabic countries. I guess it will be quite a shock, huh, when those who thought they converted to Christianity get to the pearly gates and find they are turned away because they used the wrong name for God, yes?

    By the way, if I type John 3:16 (KJV) into google translate and ask for Arabic I get:

    laan alleh ahab alalem hakada wabdhel abneh al-wahid lekki la yehlik kel minn eumen bahab bel tecon leh hayat abdia.
    And right there it is: Alleh. What word should missionaries to Arab countries be using for God? How do you know that word you select is on God's approved list of acceptable names to use?
     
  11. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    No.

    Can you tell me which one isn't?
     
  12. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    Now that we are on the subject, it occurs to me that perhaps even the word "God" is not an acceptable name for God. For the word "God" isn't even a word in Hebrew or Greek. So the Bible writers never even heard of that name.

    So, where did it come from? I looked it up and found this: God etymology in English | Etymologeek.com .

    It turns out the English speaking people just ignored the name for God, and substituted their word for "good" when they heard people speak of the creator.

    So if I believe that Good so loved the world that he sent his Son, is that acceptable to YHWH (or whatever his name is)?

    What a pity it would be if you got to the pearly gates and professed your faith in God, only to find out that God (good) cannot save you. Just saying.
     
  13. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    Hod?
     
  14. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Man ... it must be a drag being a humanist, isn't it?
     
  15. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    QED
     
  16. Mark Quayle

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    You say, "You said that God invented mathematics". Well, no. I think I said that God 'invented' math. If you will remember, I always, (if I remember to), put 'invented' in scare quotes there, to show it is not a word I feel like does justice to the notion I wish to convey.

    You contend, then, that basic fact —what is— has power over first cause, quite apart from being caused by first cause. That is faulty logic. If God is first cause, HE is basic fact, He is the cause of ALL other things, and is not subject to anything from outside himself. As he is the cause of logic and existence and all fact, he has no interest in creating something that does not exist, such as logically self-contradictory notions to which we might attribute valid substance.

    I happily admit my words do not do the job in this kind of thing. Words don't fit the comprehension of them, nor does the comprehension fit the reality of them. You want me to ride in your vehicle with you in the driver's seat. No. You probably think you have a destination in mind, or maybe you want to hit a pothole or two, to shake me up. But you are going nowhere with this. Your vehicle is bogus. It is logically impossible for 2+2 to equal 10. Show me why God would want to make 2+2 equal 10 and what it would mean if he did so, and I might consider your POV. The whole notion is silly. It has no power. And God lacks no power.

    You are letting words drive your narrative.
     
  17. Mark Quayle

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    That makes just about as much sense as to say that God can make something so big even he can't pick it up. You imagine a being you want me to prove non-existent?

    We've already been through this. First Cause has intent, or it would be mere mechanical fact. Mere Mechanical Fact cannot be self-existent first cause, because it is subject to laws from outside itself, such as logic and math, according to you. It did not cause them. (If it did cause them, it caused them by accident (not intent), which is logically self-contradictory too.)
     
  18. doubtingmerle

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    Does God have the power to make 2 plus 2 equal 10.

    You evaded the question. Please answer.
     
  19. BPPLEE

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    This is like the question I used to get when I was a Youth Pastor; if God is all powerful can he make a rock so big that God himself cannot lift it?
     
  20. AV1611VET

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    No.

    The question itself is meant to invoke an impossibility.

    And you can't make an impossibility a possibility by adding more strength into the equation.

    It's still impossible, no matter how strong God is.
     
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