I am familiar with your antics - start a thread "asking questions" - answers which you dismiss, ignore, mock, etc. Not a very honest way to engage in discussion, is it?If you’ll notice, my OP was a series of three questions. In other words, I was looking for answers and not really offering an argument at that point.
Of course they do - that is part of your routine, it seems. No matter what, you are never convinced, and that is the point to your Witnessing.Of course, as the discussion progressed those developed. But, the questions still remain, for me anyway.
So all you can offer is your 'feelings.'The only description I can provide is an inherent difference altogether (feeling, consciousness, or maybe metaphysical is the word),
How can we scientifically argue against your intangible, slippery 'feelings'?but that seems to be equally as hard for me to articulate and defend, as it is for you guys to argue against scientifically.
Of course I see differences. Only you seem to think that we believe there are none.And honestly, if you can’t see a difference, would a definition of it make things any different?
But what we - correctly - see as differences in degree, you assert, due to your Scripture-based 'feelings', are differences in 'kind.'
You cannot articulate why you 'feel' that way (of course, we all know why), but continue to insist that your 'feelings' have merit, scientifically,for some reason. Which is odd, considering that you have implied that you have a scientific background.
"Classification chart"?For example, take a look at this portion of a classification chart.
I don't know what you mean, "out of place." By what criteria?If you had to choose one that seems the most out of place… which one would you pick? Be honest now.
Oh, I get it - other primates have hairy faces, we don't, so Jesus is Lord.
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I see, just in your "classification chart", a number of synapomorphic features. You see one thing and go with that. I get it, it is your indoctrination that drives you.
You 'just can't see it'... and you are 'wondering why'?Anyway, I just can’t see the ability to speak, as a form of intelligence, expression, and communication, as having progressed by degree from animal to human status, even under the cloak of deep time… it’s unprecedented, and I’m wondering why?
Really?
I can answer that question just from what you've written in this thread!
Why did those other people die in the plane crash, and just I survived? Must be some, purpose, some REASON... I must... be.... special!Why didn’t some other kind (or variation) do it as well?
"Token"?And, if there is an inherent connection, if we are of the same fabric, and in a progressive state… why is there only the token scientific connection?
You mean other than all of the bland features that even the creationist Christian Carolus Linnaeus saw and used to classify humans along with other apes and monkeys as Primates (and, solely due to fear of the blowback from religious fanatics, put Humans in our own Family)?
Jeepers, I cannot say.
Other than some special interest groups, people in general don’t consider Eritreans/Inuuit/Moldovans/Armenians or their dilemmas very much on a daily basis...why, when some continually rant that we’re all humans?Other than some special interest groups, people in general don’t consider apes or their dilemmas very much on a daily basis… why, when some continually rant that we’re all apes?
Can you not see how juvenile your line of argumentation is? Do you really think your 'feelings' and 'opinions (based on your religious feelings)' are somehow beyond reproach?
My gosh...
To you, no kidding. To you, ONLY a Scripture-based "explanation" matters, we get it.I’m just trying to point out that a ‘naturally progressive’ answer doesn’t quite seem to explain it.
Oh - you must have missed this:
Not that I am aware of - why? Do YOU have the remains of the supposed last common ancestor of the Ape-Kind and modern apes?Do we even have the actual remains of a last supposed common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees
According to your version of reality, this supposed Intra-Kind split would have taken place fewer than 4500 years ago. If your version of reality had any merit, it should be EASY for, say, the owners of Hobby Lobby to have paid for at least a fake original Ape-Kind by now, seeing as how they shelled out millions for fake Dead sea scrolls in their zeal to prop up bible lore in their museum of lies and nonsense.
In fact, if the bible stories of the flood had merit, we should see ALL SORTS of ancestral remains for all Kinds littering the landscape of the middle east, at least.
Ape-Kind ancestor, Giraffe-Kind ancestor, Elephant-Kind ancestor, Bat-Kind ancestor, etc. - and remains of at least some of the incipient modern offspring of these Kinds, as well.
Where are THEY?
By all scientific, reality-based estimates, the population of the LCA of chimps and humans would have lived somewhere between ~7 and ~4 million years ago. You expect us to have, right now, in our possession, the "remains" (as if there was just one of them...) of this ancestor - that would have had to survive millions of years of geological and biological processes and to have then been found, whereas you do not even pretend to know about the existence of the Kind-ancestors of modern creatures!
We DO, however, have fossils of more chimp-like creatures and more human-like creatures from appropriate times, and of course, we have DNA data.
You have what, besides incredulity and doctrine?
(something that doesn't have likely, maybe, possibly, or could be attached to it), which would go a long way in connecting-the-dots of these grand assumptions you present?
When will you attempt to connect-the-dots - well, you don't even have dots to connect - for YOUR biological tales?
Where is YOUR data indicating massive repetitive rounds of MACROevolution from post-flood Kinds, producing the millions of extant species we see today?
Why on earth do you think you should get a free pass when it comes to evidence?
Why does your supposed science background tell you that only one side has to produce the goods?
And that is why, to us, your "arguments" seem empty and desperate.To me, it appears as though the information is just backwards projection, throwing any possibility at the wall, hoping something will stick to confirm a natural process for the ability to speak, specifically, and for the macroevolution of man in general.
Or is it that you have no ready-to-go 'feelings'-based retort that ignores most of what is written all ready to go?
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