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Howard Storm Ph. D. near death experience.

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by DennisTate, Apr 8, 2018.

  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Newbie Supporter

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    I am at the 35 minute mark of this video and I am certainly planning on watching all of it..... I read his boook "My Descent Into Death" several years ago.

    This is a fantastic evangelism tool......
    I personally believed so firmly in the Soul Sleep Theory
    until reading about near death experiences like this.

    Does his description of a hell......
    fit with what you were taught?

    I had not been taught about hell when I was young.......
    I had been taught that I would have no thoughts until the
    resurrection.


     
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  2. DennisTate

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    Around the 52 or 53 minute mark he talks about
    how Sister Deloris later on tells him that she had been praying for him.....
    for 13 years...... because he had once told her that he was an Atheist.

    So she and several other Catholic Sisters began to pray for Howard......
    she was actually a student of his....... and he told her not to preach in
    his class... but she prayed for him fervently....... for 13 years and Howard is certain
    that the prayers of Sister Deloris played a huge role in his being given an opportunity
    to come back from the dead.........
    and live out his life... .since his NDE... for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus!
     
  3. DennisTate

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    At the 58 minute mark in the video Howard talks about his
    asking about the holocaust during his near death experience.

    Here are a few paragraphs from his book:

    Howard Storm Ph. D:
     
  4. Gracia Singh

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    I'm just very cautious, overall, in accepting near death experiences, namely because a great number of the revelations or insights taken back by visionaries directly contradict Scripture, sometimes blatantly (God supposedly telling a man that there was no ultimate difference between right and wrong), to the more subtle (hints of universalism).

    It's not that a huge part of me doesn't *want* a lot of this stuff to be true, just that a safer reaction feels like skepticism.
     
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  5. DennisTate

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    Yes... I found them especially confusing for the first five or so years
    in which I studied them.

    One major key to verifying them... is.... was there a Life Review?

    Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Baruch Chapter 6
    "For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls."

    Hebrews 9:27

    "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

    The presence of a Life Review with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus or with G-d......
    means that we are dealing with a near death experience that is on another level
    altogether from a mere out of the body experience.

    Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, after fasting for forty days may have had an out of the body experience.....
    Matthew chapter 4 sounds like an out of the body experience in a lot of ways......
    and prolonged fasting will bring one close to death......
    but Messiah Yeshua - Jesus meets the Tempter/ Satan.

    So if Messiah Yeshua - Jesus could meet Satan in an out of the body experience.....
    then so could others.

    Howard Storm Ph. D. has a powerful Review of his life.....
    which in my opinion elevates his experience to a much higher level.
     
  6. DennisTate

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    Here is a bit about his Life Review with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and several angels that Jesus sends to him.

    Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

     
  7. DennisTate

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    At the 47 minute mark in part two of that video.....
    he tells a story about how Jesus gave him twenty thousand
    dollars toward the needed twenty five thousand dollars to build
    a Catholic church in a poor village in Belise.

     
  8. thecolorsblend

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    That makes two of us. Maybe he's telling the truth. Or maybe he dreamed the entire thing. We have no way of knowing but I don't think I believe very much of his story. Some of it aligns with my Church's teachings (so yay for us, I guess) but other things are so unusual that I refuse to accept them. Others are free to make up their own minds.
     
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  9. DennisTate

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    The massive transformation in his life that occurred after his near death experience proves that he personally took it very seriously.

    He had just been promoted to being the head of the art department at his university........ then he gives that all up and goes back to seminary to become a preacher?!
     
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    To be clear, I don’t doubt the sincerity of his conversion. That’s not really my business to do.

    But there are theological implications to his story which I simply don’t think add up at all. He seems truly moved by whatever he experienced though so good on him.
     
  11. DennisTate

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    I was really impressed by his explanation for how the Era of Messiah will look. What he was shown sure fits with the work of the final Elijah having been successful..... and the earth becomes utopian... .just as Isaiah predicted.


    Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience


    The part that I enlarged sure fits with Malachi chapter 4......

    Mal 4:5
    [​IMG]Mal 4:5 - Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

    And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
     
  12. DennisTate

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    This is an exceptionally good interview......
    quite humorous too......

     
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    The chasm between life and death cannot be crossed.
    Start with the basics, and begin understanding there.
     
  14. Hazelelponi

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    No, no it's really not. The teachings found in scripture is what's a fantastic tool. Nothing left out.

    Don't discount how much more money can be made with a few lucrative book deals and the Pastoring of a mega church or how that can be a draw for some.... do you think Joyce Meyer and others aren't making money hand over fist? Any worldly person sees dollar signs in that, a university professor makes nothing in comparison.

    Just a couple good years and he can make what would have taken the rest of his life in the university...

    Like this one:

    That is very much unbiblical as salvation is found only through our Lord and Savior, a Savior those Jews rejected.

    While certainly their deaths were tragic, but, to say, or otherwise imply they all went straight to heaven is unbiblical unless he's trying to say they all accepted salvation first - and I saw no reference to that at all.

    When we find truth mixed with falsehood its best to walk away.


    hmmm... our Lord Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, disagrees with your conclusion here, especially since he pointed out that Elijah already came...

    Matthew 17:12

    Prior to His coming...

    Just as a prophetic dream of Pharaoh needed to be interpreted by Joseph, so did prophecy need to be interpreted by Jesus for the Jews. It's never as it seems, prophecy is not a book to be read - its understanding comes from God and God alone.

    And God demands we test the spirits against His Word to see if it is from HIM... NOT test the Word against the spirits.

    Satan wants to lead us astray.. this is Satan's goal. The more false teachers he can create, the more the path of salvation can be obfuscated.. that's a win for Satan indeed.

    The most effective lie in existence is the half truth.
     
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    I had one of these nde/dreams I posted it here like 10 years ago or so in the Dreams and vision part of the web site if that still exists. I found a copy:

    i posted this on another website and came across it looking for something else. Thought I would share.

    This all happened before I was saved. I use to stop breathing while I slept, and I remember one time I was a sleep, but realized I was fairly lucid, but at the same time I could not wake because I had stopped breathing, I remember trying to wake myself, but couldn't. Then I realized I was no longer in my room but at my judgment. I saw a being and immediately fell flat on the ground before Him and he told me not to be afraid and to rise and follow him. I did, to a small line of people.(not a long line maybe 10) I saw Jesus welcoming people by name, and again I fell flat on the ground, and my life's events started to recount in my Head. (Before He even got to me)

    When He told my neighbor Welcome my good and faithful servant, I knew right then, that was a close as I would ever come to hearing those words spoken to me, then the regret/deep despair begin to sink in. All of scripture made sense, and I knew then my life did not measure up to the standards of being a member of the body. I was helped up and for the briefest of moments I saw in His eyes a glimmer, of what of an eternity of Love with Him could have been, then I saw heart break and disappointment, Then I heard "away from me you wicked servant, I never knew you.."

    My heart dropped, Then I pleaded: Lord lord give me one more chance..I fell to His feet and clinched as tightly as I could. swearing allegiance and love. I just needed another chance to prove it.

    then either the ground gave way or I was thrown into the pit. I remember falling into a black nothingness, as I traveled away from the light I felt myself being consumed by this Black almost like Hot tar. It was not fire but it invoked the same response as being burned. The panic and hysteria of being consumed lit every nerve ending as if it was being burned by the hottest flame. I could see nothing but heard a great yelling and many many groans of pain from every direction, But only bearly because of my own groans, and screams. (Through all of that I had a sense that these laments were not all human.) All the while falling and being in a great state of panic and pain. Fire, panic and pain are not even strong enough words to describe the intensity of the experience. I knew everything in that place was being punished and felt the same. nothing was incharge.

    That's why when i talk to people about Hell I say the reason the bible uses fire to describe hell it is because Being consumed by fire is the closest thing we can relate to when we are thrown into the void of Hell. Even so fire doesn't even come close. If given the choice I would rather be burned for an eternity by what we know to be fire than experience "Hell fire" ever again.
    I began to break down under the sensory over load.. too much panic too much pain screaming through clenched teeth so tightly they were breaking, the bug in my head asking what if what if.. Then I had a sence of knowing I belonged here and felt myself just about to disolve away,

    It was then I felt a hand grab me, and I began to ascend. the being that pulled me out of the pit told me that this was Only Gates of Hell and what I experiences was only a glimmer of what was to come. He told me that the rest of "this life" was my second Chance that I had asked for, and warned me that all that I experienced awaits me, if I did not know Jesus.

    When I awoke I had 'sweat' an outline of my entire body into my mattress and through my comforter.

    The experience of Hell didn't change my life, the glimmer of an eternity with the one I love with all of my being did. I realized that Hell is not an incentive for Heaven. Hell is simply the absents of God and all that He created. Being members of Creation We literally burn with desire to be apart of it and with God.

    This is what prompts me to ask people, If the descriptions of Heaven and Hell were somehow confused in the Past, and Heaven was a fiery pit (But God lived there.) And Hell was what we know to be Paradise, but God was absent, then would you still want to goto Heaven (The Fiery pit) and burn forever with God?

    Those who seek Heaven as their just reward or Choose Heaven because they fear Hell don't understand what Heaven is.

    Heaven is being with God no matter what it looks like.
     
  16. DennisTate

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    But... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus resurrected Lazarus......
    and former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D. was not dead for four days..... !
     
  17. DennisTate

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    Wow!!!!!

    Thank you for this!!!!

    May I copy and paste this into some other discussions here on this same basic idea?
     
  18. DennisTate

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    Then why did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus promise to speak PLAINLY OF THE FATHER in the future?

    John 16:25 "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

    And why is it only in the Latter Days that we can understand the plan of God and the wrath of God perfectly????

    Jeremiah 23:20 "The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly."
     
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    sure
     
  20. Hazelelponi

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    To simplify, when Jesus was alive and teaching His message was twofold:

    1) He was removing the errors of the over legalisation of Gods Word and showing people through His perfect life how to live ours.

    2) He was preparing everyone for the revelation of God's plan for them.

    So what was to come you ask?

    1) The plan of salvation had yet to be revealed,

    2) The indwelling of the Holy Spirit had yet to be revealed.

    3)The end of sacrifice and temple worship had yet to be revealed.

    4) The law being fulfilled had yet to be revealed.

    Basically, all of the new covenant..

    The revelation of those things, which today we see in hindsight, had yet to be explained to anyone and Jesus was giving the people of that time glimpses into those things to come.

    The things Jesus spoke of helped people understand those plans of God as they became apparent, as they were fulfilled in real time.

    There are three main era's in Judaism. 1) The age prior to the Abrahamic covenant. 2) The Abrahamic covenant age to include Mosaic and Levitical law. 3) The Messianic age / New covenant age.

    That transitionary period was a HUGE shift in how God deals with His people, and of course people needed to be eased into the understanding of what it all meant in real life application for Jews. The culmination of that transition period was the destruction of the Temple. The final end of the old covenant, the last chance for the Jews to accept Gods plan - the Messiah and the new covenant.

    Why we know that prophecy is sealed (as in new prophecy that teaches us things outside of scripture) is because the Apostles told us this.

    Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

    That's serious.. that is saying it's done. Finished. God has nothing new to tell us. It's been said and it's right there in scripture.

    Therefore everything must be weighed and measured against scripture and not the other way around..
     
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