The changes that would need to happen in order to make that type of arrangement sustainable involve measures that 99% of people want nothing to do with.
But if it MUST happen as a thing of mutual consent from all parties involved, I'd suggest doing it along religious lines. Specifically, a place for Christians to be Christians. The other side can do whatever they want.
Agreed. Personally I think it's an inevitability and a necessity, I think we crossed a threshold in 2018 when parts of this country elected the likes of Ocasio-Cortez, Tlaib, and Omar to Congress. There's just no going back for either side, those Congresswomen and the people they represent (not just their districts but all Marxists nationwide)
are intent on entirely changing the character and makeup of the United States and completely deleting what it is, what it was and what the records say it has been.
With that in mind, this only ends in one of two ways: peaceful balkanization, or a second civil war in which one side is almost entirely annihilated or the treaty to end the war also results in balkanization. Why would I think that? Because in the past six weeks the militant wing of the Democrats set fire, destroyed, looted, assaulted, and murdered with impunity in major cities across the U.S. If Americans ever put their foot down against this Marxist incursion it
will erupt into an actual battle.
I would divide it up into nice people and mean people. I'd be perfectly happy with segregation if I could just live around nice people.
Disneyland. We can just proclaim Disneyland a sovereign state.
We just need to get back to the declaration of independence ... and actually live it ... and things would be much much better.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--
I read an incredibly interesting, albeit rather long, article yesterday about how the 17th Amendment completed the unraveling of our nation from the republic the founders and framers intended into be, and devolved it into the democracy we have today.
I highly recommend reading it because I think it connects to your sentiment in a way. The way we operate today lends itself entirely too much to a form of government that was never intended by the founders.
I don't see this really happening anytime soon. Way too much blood to be spilled first. However divorces happen all the time for no more reasons than this. If people cannot live together without fighting, sometimes the only way to have peace is to separate. No contact-no strife-no struggle.
Well, we've already seen quite a bit of bloodshed since May 25th, and it doesn't necessarily showing any signs of letting up - especially because conservatives have been content to sit on their laurels and fiddle while major cities burn. If and when we get the stones to respond, then we'll likely have an all-out war. That's what the Marxists (read: Antifa, BLM, and their supporters in Congress AOC, Tlaib, Omar, Pelosi, Schumer, Pressly, etc) want. They've been goading us with violence for years, and now openly and frequently for the past six weeks.
People have hypothesized this since American culture is so fragmented based on where you live. As sad as it would be for America to dissolve, I’d be ok with a peaceful balkanization. Hopefully we could set up something like a Schengen common area post-pandemic, where you can freely travel between the boundaries. We could even keep the states the same, we’d just have different national governments.
I think it would have to be done alongside voting blocs and demographics. The south would be an easy split, as would the eastern seaboard (they could keep DC as the capitol or move it to New York or elsewhere, as they have enough infrastructure to be choosy). The west coast would gladly merge itself into one country, although I know some people in northern California would be upset. Not sure about other parts of the country, however, as they are somewhat politically mixed. Maybe the Great Plains states could all merge together, but I understand those places still have some traditionally Democrat people. The Midwest would be even harder to merge, what with all of the swing states plus Chicago.
Hawaii would probably be glad to be independent, or perhaps a part of the Pacific country. Alaska might not have much choice other than to join Canada.
Florida is an interesting case because I’ve seen hypothetical cultural regions showing the northern half of Florida as similar to the South, whereas Florida becomes unique once you get past a certain point. So that state may have to split, but ideally it would be the only one. If politicians have their way, then maybe they’d try and keep all of the east coast as one state, but some people would object.
I agree with you, if we balkanize it will definitely be conservatives on one side and liberals on the other. That's the biggest divide in this country and we have entirely opposite ideas of how to run a country, and our morals couldn't be further apart. If we're going to have a
res publica, then we have to have a common morality rooted in a common faith.
Starting at the left coast, Washington joins Canada. Oregon and Northern California join Utah and Nevada and Montana and Idaho and Arizona and New Mexico to be called Montana. Southern California becomes it's own country called California. Colorado does it's own thing. Texas and Oklahoma and Kansas and Nebraska and the Dakotas become The Plains. Minnesota and Wisconsin and Iowa and the UP of Michigan become The North. Illinois and everything North and East of that becomes the Country of Rust. But Maine could join Canada if they want. And we let the South figure it out on their own.
I don't think for a minute this could actually work. We aren't all that geographically divided. We are more divided neighbor from neighbor. It will all end up looking like Beruit and not the Balkans.
Since I live on a red island in a deep blue sea of California, I imagine I would have to move anyway if we did divide the nation of ideologically.
The idea that the true fissures in American society is regional is a hold back from the civil war era and perpetuated by the romanitization of England plurbis unium. The real divide is between urban and rural. Let's put it this way the culture and political leaning of Austin TX is very different from that of unincorporated Williamson County Right next door. Therefore fracturing the country by region (north, south, pacific coast, gulf Coast, etc) would not really solve many if any of the cultural issues in the untied country today. By calling a state a red state or a blue state to determine which "side" it belongs on is a gross oversimplification. Interestingly though the red versus blue moniker does serve as a good indicator of how much of the state's population live in urban centers versus rural areas. If there were to be a Balkanization of the county it would almost certainly need to be accompanied by massive relocations like that which occurred when the British Raj of India partitioned into India, Pakistan and Bengladesh.
Obviously, what we would be doing is dividing the country ideologically/religiously, but then essentially assigning those groups to the regions in which they historically represented those groups. So religious conservatives migrate to the new nation made from the American south, secular liberals migrate to the new nation made from the west coast, etc.
I'm all for it. Plato and Aristotle said the three valid forms of regime are monarchy, aristocracy, and the polis (republic). The corrupted inverse of each of those being tyranny, oligarchy, and (you guessed it)
democracy. Something which I think our founders were keenly aware of.
Fun fact: our government actually represents all three virtuous forms vested in the three branches. Monarchy (the rule of one, the executive branch), Arisocracy (the rule of few, the judicial branch), and Polis (the rule of many, the legislative branch).
