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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Handmaid for Jesus, Sep 27, 2017.

  1. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The use of non-canonical books as your support vs Scriptural facts cannot be construed as viable. Review the following Scriptural facts:

    THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:

    Zech.6:12 "Tell him this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the Lord 13 It is he who will build the temple of the Lord, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two."


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  2. jgr

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    Here is a list which you frequently present:

    .1. Frank L. Gaebelein, A.M., Litt.D., Headmaster Emiritus, The Stoney Brook School; 2. William Culbertson, D.D., L.L.D., President, Moody Bible Institute; 3. Charles L. Feinberg, ThD., PhD., Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary; 4. Allan A. Mac Rae, A.M., PhD., President, Biblical School of Theology; 5. Clarence E. Mason, Jr., Th.M., D.D., Dean, Philadelphia College of Bible; 6. Alva J. Mc Clain, Th.M., D.D., President Emeritus, Grace Theological Seminary; 7. Wilbur M. Smith, D.D., Editor, Peloubet's Select Notes; 8. John F. Walvoord, A.M., Th.D., President, Dallas Theological Seminary; 9. C.I. Scofield, D.D., Editor, Scofield Bible; 10. Editorial Committee Chairman, J. E. Schuyler English, Litt.D.

    Chuck Missler, Koinonia House, Charles Stanley, Baptist minister, Zola Levitt, Levitt's Ministries, Miles Weiss, Zola Levitt's Ministries, Moishe Rosen, Jew's For Jesus Org., David Bickner, Jew's For Jesus Org., Mitch Glaser, His Chosen People Minisries Dwight Pentecost, Dean at Dallas Theological Seminary, Harold Wilmington, Dean at Liberty Seminary, Arno Froese, Editor and CEO of Midnight Call Ministries, Thomas Ice, PhD., Author, Jack Van Impe, TV Ministry, Tim Le Haye, Author, Jerry Fallwell, Baptist minister, Billie Graham, TV ministry, Franklin Graham, TV ministry, Dr. Ron Carlson, Dr. Wilfred Hahn, Dave Hunt, Ed Decker and Dr. Norbert Lieth.


    Every one is non-canonical.
     
  3. Quasar92

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    The list of theologians I present ENDORSE the teachings of the Bible which I post. There are NO ARTICLES OR QUOTES any of them have written that verify your claim, "they are non-canonical.."

    Your use of statements and articles by the church fathers, Barnabas and others that did not make the Bible canon as your support against Scriptural arguments of any kind is invalid.


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  4. jgr

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    Barnabas endorses the teachings of the Bible which you post, as well. He just doesn't endorse your opinions regarding those teachings.
     
  5. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    You guys are way off topic of the OP. Please start another thread and stop the hijack of this one. Your debate is legitimate, but not for this thread. Thank you.
     
  6. keras

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    People will know when the last 7 years begins, because the leaders of New Israel, the new nation of Beulah, in all of the holy Land, will sign at 7 year treaty of peace with the Leader of the One World Govt.
    The first half will be peaceful, but at the mid point, the leader of the OWG, now the Anti-Christ, will break the treaty and conquer Beulah. As Zechariah 14:1-2 describes and half of the Christian population will remain there, but half will be taken to a place of safety. This division is explained in Daniel 11:32-35

    Those in the distant place of safety will praise God and will be gathered to Jesus at His Return, Isaiah 24:16a, Matthew 24:31
    So those who keep their faith and trust in God will be fine, all who fail, not so good. Isaiah 28:15, Zephaniah 3:8-10 [in verse 10: river of Cush, refers to the Atlantic Ocean; in ancient times was called the Aethopian Sea]

    I have posted elsewhere plenty of scriptural proofs for this scenario, but am happy to provide them again.
     
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  7. Riberra

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    Why do you bother to ask these questions ...if you believe that you will not be there ?

    But lets play your game ...
    If you are alive when the 6 TH SEAL EVENTS happen [Revelation 6:12-17] ..then you will know what will follow ...if you have bothered to read the Book of Revelation.
    >>Because the Book of Revelation is addressed to the Christians who will be alive during those times.
     
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  8. keras

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    This is correct. Many prophesies say that after the Lord's Day of wrath, THEN understanding will come!
    Isaiah 43:8 Bring forth this people, a people whose eyes are blind, whose ears are deaf.

    Isaiah 35:4-5 Be strong, fear not; the Lord comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

    Isaiah 42:18-20 You that are deaf; hear now, you that are blind; look and see! Who is so deaf and blind as My servant, the messenger that I send, the one who has My trust?

    Isaiah 29:18 On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see.

    Isaiah 29:24 Then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will take instruction.

    Isaiah 32:3-4 Then those who see and hear will understand clearly, the impetuous mind will know and the stammering tongue will speak fluently and plainly.
     
  9. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    I ask questions because I want answers. You don't have to get angry because you don't know.
    OK, Tell me how will anyone know the sixth seal events have started? And I have read the book of The Revelation many times. And if you would pay attention to what is going on in the world, and not just in your neck of the woods, you could see that events outlined in the sixth seal are happening today.
     
  10. Riberra

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    What is written in Revelation 6:12-17 is a one day event ...which will be a marking moment....recreation time is over...the real stuff begin.

    "The stars" falling refers to something like a meteor shower...rather than stars the size of our Sun falling on the earth

    Perseid Meteor Shower 2017: When, Where & How to See It

    ...but it could be also chunks of magma reaching the high atmosphere and falling back ,following the big earthquake if the earthquake is caused by the eruption of the Yellowstone Caldera.

    *[ The day ] when the events of the 6 TH SEAL will happen, people will believe due to their panic that the END of the World is arrived ,as you can see by their reaction...
     
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  11. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Of course people will deny it.
    They already deny it.
    They willingly take part in murdering the innocent, and pat one another on the back thinking that they are doing God a favor -as if He is pleased with them !!!
     
  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I'll text or message you when YHWH says, if He permits this.
     
  13. Waterwerx

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    Yellowstone Caldera, CMEs, etc., sounds to me like guess work and reading too much into the Scripture that just isn't there.

    When you consider everything written in the Bible regarding this time period, all of the evidence points to an increasingly destructive world-wide conflict going on between the nations, which is the means that God uses to draw all of their armies and leaders into a specific region for the purpose of destroying the rest of them Himself upon His return to the earth and putting a stop to it.
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I am sure it is written somewhere (in Revelation and/or Daniel/ and/or Ezekiel)
    that
    not only in one specific region,
    but all over the earth,
    God sends angels to kill [probably] one-third of [utterly evil] mankind....
    (His enemies, children of the devil, sons of disobedience) ....
     
  15. Riberra

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    6 TH SEAL
    Revelation 6:12
    12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;,

    The GREAT EARTHQUAKE happen FIRST ... AND THE SUN became black as sackcloth of hair ....smoke and dust coming from the eruption ...
     
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  16. Waterwerx

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    Because you have the idea that angels(good and bad) will be physically performing all of the killing and destruction. You dismiss the idea that God also uses human agents to carry out the various judgments.

    When you read everything pertaining to this time period in both the OT and NT, it becomes obvious that its a regional war that quickly becomes global in scope.
     
  17. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    YHWH never contradicts Himself, nor does His Word ever contradict His Word.

    It is clear and apparent to me that Jesus and/or His angels at the various times to come handle the death and destruction -
    Jesus will not let His people do this. (although we may help clean up the dead bodies off the land and roadways, etc )
     
  18. Waterwerx

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    Like I said, guesswork based on assumptions. There's one small problem with your theory: its an earthquake, not a volcanic eruption. I'm sure the writer knew the difference between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.
     
  19. Waterwerx

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    Who said anything about His people doing it? What part of my post did you not understand?

    Mankind will be busy destroying himself and the earth through warfare during the second half of the tribulation. Christ returns at the end of the tribulation to put a stop to it by destroying them before they succeed in destroying the earth. It is this event which turns the nations from fighting and destroying one another to trying to fight Him.
     
  20. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    They don't fight Him.
    He destroys them when He stands on the mount of Olives, if memory serves me correctly. They don't have any chance at all against Him, none at all.

    As for previous posts, it looks like we were posting about different times.

    For instance, basically I think this post of yours is true:
    Angels , of course, stir up the armies (of men) to war with each other.

    As for this post:
    I thought (for some reason maybe not related to this thread; I don't remember)
    you were talking about God's People during the millenium or at the end of the millenium fighting.
     
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