How to understand the visuals in Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13.

[Douggg]

How to understand the visuals in Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13.

Satan represents the beast in the visuals - UNTIL the spirit of the beast now in the bottomless pit ascends out of the bottomless pit. The beast now in the bottomless pit goes way back to the garden of eden serpent who sold out to Satan to do Satan's bidding.


Revelation 17 scarlet colored beast (Satan) , 7 heads.... , 10 horns..... no crowns on either. At the time of John 1st century, the beast spirit who was and is not is in the bottomless pit.
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Revelation 12 red dragon (Satan), 7 heads.... , 10 horns....
right before the 7 years begin, king 7 has come to power, beast spirit still in the bottomless pit.

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Revelation 13 (not Satan) beast person a man/kingdom, heads..... , horns

the beast spirit has come out of the bottomless pit, to possess the mortally wounded but healed king 7 man...who has become king 8, namesake after the beast the serpent of the garden of eden in the bottomless pit - who will enter him, and as being henceforth called the beast for the 42 months remaining in the 7 years.

42 months left in the 7 years, the ten horns rule with the beast man therefore have crowns in Revelation 13.

Revelation 17:8a who was, and is not.... the garden of eden serpent beast.
Revelation 17:8b that was, is not, yet is....the ends times man, king7/king8.


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So I hope you can see that garden of eden serpent beast connection with Satan, that will conclude when Jesus returns, Our Lord and Savior.

We are at the end of 6000 years of misery caused by Satan.... praise God to end the suffering of mankind soon. My heart goes out to all of us humans. Blessed are we though because God so loved the world, in mercy and grace through Christ Jesus.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

How to understand the visuals in Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13.

Satan represents the beast in the visuals - UNTIL the spirit of the beast now in the bottomless pit ascends out of the bottomless pit. The beast now in the bottomless pit goes way back to the garden of eden serpent who sold out to Satan to do Satan's bidding.


Revelation 17 scarlet colored beast (Satan) , 7 heads.... , 10 horns..... no crowns on either. At the time of John 1st century, the beast spirit who was and is not is in the bottomless pit.
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Revelation 12 red dragon (Satan), 7 heads.... , 10 horns....
right before the 7 years begin, king 7 has come to power, beast spirit still in the bottomless pit.

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Revelation 13 (not Satan) beast person a man/kingdom, heads..... , horns

the beast spirit has come out of the bottomless pit, to possess the mortally wounded but healed king 7 man...who has become king 8, namesake after the beast the serpent of the garden of eden in the bottomless pit - who will enter him, and as being henceforth called the beast for the 42 months remaining in the 7 years.

42 months left in the 7 years, the ten horns rule with the beast man therefore have crowns in Revelation 13.

Revelation 17:8a who was, and is not.... the garden of eden serpent beast.
Revelation 17:8b that was, is not, yet is....the ends times man, king7/king8.


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So I hope you can see that garden of eden serpent beast connection with Satan, that will conclude when Jesus returns, Our Lord and Savior.

We are at the end of 6000 years of misery caused by Satan.... praise God to end the suffering of mankind soon. My heart goes out to all of us humans. Blessed are we though because God so loved the world, in mercy and grace through Christ Jesus.

This makes no sense whatsoever. The beast is the beast, not Satan. Satan is the dragon. Revelation clearly differentiates between the beast and the dragon, Satan. Satan is consistently referred to as the dragon, so to say that the scarlet colored beast of Revelation 17 is referring to Satan makes no sense and makes it as if John was trying to confuse people with a lack of consistency in the terms he used. But, he wouldn't do that.

Honestly, Douggg, you try too hard. The truth is much simpler than you make it out to be.

 

[Douggg]

This makes no sense whatsoever. The beast is the beast, not Satan. Satan is the dragon. Revelation clearly differentiates between the beast and the dragon, Satan. Satan is consistently referred to as the dragon, so to say that the scarlet colored beast of Revelation 17 is referring to Satan makes no sense and makes it as if John was trying to confuse people with a lack of consistency in the terms he used. But, he wouldn't do that.

Honestly, Douggg, you try too hard. The truth is much simpler than you make it out to be.

First thing, you need to look at the three visuals (don't think of who is the beast, but think about the visual) in Revelation 17, 12, 13 as being snapshots, just as you would take snapshots of your kids at say 4 years old, 12 years old, 18 years old.

Revelation 17 - snapshot at the first century.
Revelation 12 - snapshot right before the 7 years begin (end times)
Revelation 13 - snapshot right before the final 42 months begin (end times)
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Second thing regarding the snapshots: Look and see where the crowns are.

visual snapshot at the first century - no crowns on the heads, nor horns.

visual snapshot right before the 7 years begin - crowns on the seven heads, none of the horns. (end times)

visual snapshot right before the final 42 months begin - crowns on the seven heads are gone ; but the ten horns have their crowns though ; one head has been mortally wounded but healed. (end times)

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Third thing regarding the snapshots:

In Revelation 17 and 12, the garden of eden serpent beast is in the cellar, not available for the visual; so instead his master - Satan - is in the visual snapshot in Revelation 17 and Revelation 12, as the scarlet colored beast, and the great red dragon.

In Revelation 13, right before the final 42 months, the garden of eden serpent beast has come out of the cellar to possess mortally wounded but healed king 7 head, who now is king 8 after coming back to life.

Satan was the master of the garden of eden serpent beast. And Satan will be the master of king 7 who becomes king 8.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

First thing, you need to look at the three visuals (don't think of who is the beast, but think about the visual) in Revelation 17, 12, 13 as being snapshots, just as you would take snapshots of your kids at say 4 years old, 12 years old, 18 years old.

Revelation 17 - snapshot at the first century.
Revelation 12 - snapshot right before the 7 years begin (end times)
Revelation 13 - snapshot right before the final 42 months begin (end times)
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Second thing regarding the snapshots: Look and see where the crowns are.

visual snapshot at the first century - no crowns on the heads, nor horns.

visual snapshot right before the 7 years begin - crowns on the seven heads, none of the horns. (end times)

visual snapshot right before the final 42 months begin - crowns on the seven heads are gone ; but the ten horns have their crowns though ; one head has been mortally wounded but healed. (end times)

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Third thing regarding the snapshots:

In Revelation 17 and 12, the garden of eden serpent beast is in the cellar, not available for the visual; so instead his master - Satan - is in the visual snapshot in Revelation 17 and Revelation 12, as the scarlet colored beast, and the great red dragon.

In Revelation 13, right before the final 42 months, the garden of eden serpent beast has come out of the cellar to possess mortally wounded but healed king 7 head, who now is king 8 after coming back to life.

Satan was the master of the garden of eden serpent beast. And Satan will be the master of king 7 who becomes king 8.

You obviously ignored everything I said, so I'm ignoring everything you're saying as well.

 

[Douggg]

You obviously ignored everything I said, so I'm ignoring everything you're saying as well.

Do you believe that Satan is a literal dragon? I hope not.

The color of the beast in the Revelation 17 visual - scarlet, a bright red color . (look up scarlet on the internet)
The color of the dragon in the Revelation 12 visual - red.

The red dragon in Revelation 12 visual represents Satan. The scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17 visual represents Satan -

because the actual beast spirit is in the bottomless pit

in the first century and cannot be seen. John couldn't see into the bottomless pit either. He was told about the beast in the bottomless pit by the angel.

The color of the beast visual in Revelation 13 - that of a lion, a bear, a leopard - are neither red, nor scarlet - and that beast represents a man and his kingdom. That man will become possessed by the beast spirit, the former garden of eden serpent used by Satan to do Satan's bidding, which will be allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit. The bottomless pit is a prison.


When Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into that prison.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The color of the beast in Revelation 17 visual - scarlet, a bright red color . (look up scarlet on the internet)
The color of the dragon in Revelation 12 visual - red.

The dragon in Revelation 12 visual is Satan. The beast in Revelation 17 visual is Satan - as a stand-in, representing the actual beast spirit which is in the bottomless pit in first century.



The color of the beast visual in Revelation 13 - that of a lion, a bear, a leopard - which are neither red, nor scarlet.

The beast in Revelation 13 visual is that of a man, and of his kingdom. And is not Satan.

The beast is the beast and the dragon is the dragon. Not the same. Very simple. But, go ahead and make everything convoluted and impossible to understand if that's your desire.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Do you believe that Satan is a literal dragon? I hope not.

Yes, of course I do. You don't?


But, seriously, of course I don't. The dragon always represents Satan in Revelation and the beast always represents something else besides Satan. Very simple. Your doctrine is so convoluted that it's not even possible for anyone else to understand it.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, of course I do. You don't?


But, seriously, of course I don't. The dragon always represents Satan in Revelation and the beast always represents something else besides Satan. Very simple. Your doctrine is so convoluted that it's not even possible for anyone else to understand it.

The dragon is a beast that represents Satan.

You are not applying yourself to understand the time stamps in Revelation 17, Revelation 12, and Revelation 13, noted by the crowns/no crowns on the heads and horns of the visual appearance of the beast in each of those.

Revelation 17 - first century - scarlet beast representing Satan
Revelation 12 - end times with 7 years to go - red dragon beast representing Satan
Revelation 13 - end times with 42 months to go - the composite beast, the mortally wounded/healed head representing the slain/healed man of sin, and the composite makeup his kingdom.

You also are not applying yourself as to when the beast who was and is not, in Revelation 17:8a - comes out of the bottomless pit. If you knew that, you could unlock the key to understanding the visuals in Revelation 17, Revelation 12, and Revelation 13.

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[Spiritual Jew]

The dragon is a beast that represents Satan.

But Satan is always referred to as "the dragon" and never as "the beast". Your doctrine is extremely convoluted and can't be taken seriously. The beast is the beast and not the dragon. The book differentiates between the two throughout.

You are not applying yourself to understand the time stamps in Revelation 17, Revelation 12, and Revelation 13, noted by the crowns/no crowns on the heads and horns of the visual appearance of the beast in each of those.

Revelation 17 - first century - scarlet beast representing Satan
Revelation 12 - end times with 7 years to go - red dragon beast representing Satan
Revelation 13 - end times with 42 months to go - the composite beast, the mortally wounded/healed head representing the slain/healed man of sin, and the composite makeup his kingdom.

You also are not applying yourself as to when the beast who was and is not, in Revelation 17:8a - comes out of the bottomless pit. If you knew that, you could unlock the key to understanding the visuals in Revelation 17, Revelation 12, and Revelation 13.

You have nothing to teach me, Douggg. I believe you are wrong about everything.

 

[Douggg]

The beast is the beast

Why then is the beast in Revelation 17 scarlet colored, but the beast in Revelation 13 is not? And instead has a composite makeup of a lion, bear, leopard?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Why then is the beast in Revelation 17 scarlet colored, but the beast in Revelation 13 is not? And instead has a composite makeup of a lion, bear, leopard?

It's symbolic language. In symbolism, a composite beast made up of a lion, bear and leopard can be scarlet colored. You're thinking far too literally here, as you typically do.

John was consistent with the terms he used. He would not confuse people by suddenly referring to Satan as the beast in Revelation 17 while referring to him as the dragon every other time he referred to him.

 

[Douggg]

It's symbolic language. In symbolism, a composite beast made up of a lion, bear and leopard can be scarlet colored. You're thinking far too literally here, as you typically do.

Scarlet colored ? Why not red ?

Either way, that would be highly unusual and I think John would have included that as part of his description. Since neither scarlet, nor red, is included with the lion, bear, leopard composite, I don't think your explanation is valid.

John was consistent with the terms he used. He would not confuse people by suddenly referring to Satan as the beast in Revelation 17 while referring to him as the dragon every other time he referred to him.

Satan in Revelation 12, who attempts to destroy the woman, is represented by a red dragon. In Revelation 13, the next vision that John sees, the dragon gives the mortally wounded, but healed, head his power. That head, thereafter, is called "the" beast.

In the previous chapter, Revelation 11, the two witnesses are killed by the beast that comes out of the bottomless pit - who makes war on them.

So upon that point in Revelation, we have....

1. the beast who comes out of the bottomless pit makes war on the two witnesses.
2 the world says in Revelation 13, who can make war with the beast
3. the mortally wounded but healed head is referred to, thereafter, as "the" beast.
4. the dragon gives "the" beast, his seat, and power to "the" beast.

John, afterward, is presented the vision of Revelation 17, which addresses that mystery of dragon, and the beast who comes out of the bottomless pit, and the mortally wounded but healed head.

Revelation 17 is all about that mystery.

The scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17:3 is Satan. Scarlet colored - and not blue, orange, green, yellow but scarlet - a bright red.
The beast that comes out of the bottomless pit - was and is not, at the time of John
The beast that the world wonders after (Revelation 13:3) was, and is not, yet is.

In those three persons - is the antithetical version of the Trinity. And Babylon the Great the antithetical version of the kingdom of God.

1. Satan is the source of power. Babylon the Great is his kingdom.
2. The mortally wounded, but healed, head that the world wonders after because they will see him alive, then killed, and alive again.
3. In the bottomless pit, a former being, now a disembodied spirit, possesses that person.


Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Scarlet colored ? Why not red ?

Either way, that would be highly unusual and I think John would have included that as part of his description. Since neither scarlet, nor red, is included with the lion, bear, leopard composite, I don't think your explanation is valid.

No, you think him inexplicably shifting gears and suddenly calling Satan the beast instead of the dragon is valid. And then he goes back to calling Satan the dragon again in Revelation 20. You apparently think that John had no interest in being consistent with the terms he used. I personally think better of John than that.

 

[Douggg]

No, you think him inexplicably shifting gears and suddenly calling Satan the beast instead of the dragon is valid. And then he goes back to calling Satan the dragon again in Revelation 20. You apparently think that John had no interest in being consistent with the terms he used. I personally think better of John than that.

No, I am not thinking there is any shifting of gears. "the" beast in Revelation 13 that the world wonders after is the mortally wounded, but healed, head. The head.

In Revelation 17, it does not reflect any of the heads mortally wounded.

red dragon in Revelation 12, Satan = the scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17

"the" beast in Revelation 13 that the world wonders after is the mortally wounded, but healed head = the beast who was, is not, yet is in Revelation 17:8b.

 

[ProphetElijah]

Douggg,

Your take on this is fantastic, and makes sense of the mystery of the kings and the crowns.
I have marked your comments for further study. Thank you for sharing your prophetic view so concisely!!

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

@Douggg I also appreciate your scholarship. Thanks. I hope you keep up the good work.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg,

Your take on this is fantastic, and makes sense of the mystery of the kings and the crowns.
I have marked your comments for further study. Thank you for sharing your prophetic view so concisely!!

Welcome to the forum ProphetElijah. Best wishes on your success.

 

[Douggg]

@Douggg I also appreciate your scholarship. Thanks. I hope you keep up the good work.

Thanks so much for the kind words. They mean a lot to me.

 

[dfw69]

The scarlet beast are the gentile empires of satan throughout history

Egypt Assyria Babylon medo/Persia Greece Rome ,10 horns yet to manifest , and the little horn yet to form over the 10 horns

Mysterious Babylon is the false religion or satanic worship or both that has been around since Egypt and will continue till the little horn and 10 horns destroy her forever by the will of god

She had been responsible for the deaths, wars and evils of the world through her lies and deception and doctrines throughout history thus the name Babylon

The dragon is satan

The angel from the bottomless pit is named abbadon/Apollyon who will help the antichrist revive an old kingdom of the past