how to treat a "Christian" pedophile?

[hedrick]

First, it's probably more an orientation than an actual disease. But we don't allow people to get away with crimes because they're mentally ill. We may put them in a hospital rather than a prison if we think they didn't make a responsible choice.

 

[mmksparbud]

but it could be consider as mental disease how to bring the full force of the law to a mental ill?

As a survivor--I have forgiven. But, the thief on the cross was forgiven---and still had to bare the consequences. The consequences to the victims are for the rest of their lives---it should be to the perpetrator as well.
Some say they can be changed. I've never seen one that changed. As soon as they were out of jail, even after many years, they did it again. However, they say a large number never molest again. It's hard to know whom to believe. It is a complex problem and I would rather they err on the side of the possible next victim! Mentally ill or not, they should not be allowed to indulge their fantasies. Many Murderers are mentally ill, doesn't mean they should get away with doing it over and over. Mental illness should not be a "get out of Jail free" card.

 

[April_Rose]

@April_Rose

Trust in Jesus. Keep praying to Him.

You are a very brave lady and strong Christian for sure. Your guy should be proud of you for standing by him. I hope it all works out ok.

God is there for you. Stay strong.

Thank you.

 

[Lost4words]

Nobody, I was just afraid that people would.

You know him more than anyone on here. It wouldn't be anyone's business on here to say that to you.

Yes, we may say that in a general sense to anyone who is in a relationship with someone who has rightly or wrongly been convicted of such a crime but, you deserve respect as a fellow forum member and friend of everyone here.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

First, it's probably more an orientation than an actual disease. But we don't allow people to get away with crimes because they're mentally ill. We may put them in a hospital rather than a prison if we think they didn't make a responsible choice.

I guess it would be a wrong direction if it's an orientation.

 

[April_Rose]

You know him more than anyone on here. It wouldn't be anyone's business on here to say that to you.

Yes, we may say that in a general sense to anyone who is in a relationship with someone who has rightly or wrongly been convicted of such a crime but, you deserve respect as a fellow forum member and friend of everyone here.

Thanks much appreciated.

 

[SkyWriting]

how the christianity should approach the pedophile, how to cure him? (him or her)

Usually, they cannot be rehabbed. God's judgment is perfect.

 

[Paidiske]

Obviously all of you have forgotten that not all of them are actually guilty of it. Many innocent people sit behind bars and my fiancee is one of them so if you have a problem with him then you have a problem with me.

It's not a matter of "having a problem with" him in a personal sense. It's a matter of having a moral (and legal, which is not trivial) responsibility to protect any children in the church.

I can personally believe that someone who has been accused of this is innocent, but I have absolutely no discretion to treat that person as innocent, but must exercise a duty of care to ensure the safety of any children in our congregation or activities.

The way things are done in Australia, that will generally mean such a person will be supervised at all times when on church property/at church events, and their presence will be minimised to only what is absolutely necessary (eg. they might come to a communion service but not social events).

 

[April_Rose]

It's not a matter of "having a problem with" him in a personal sense. It's a matter of having a moral (and legal, which is not trivial) responsibility to protect any children in the church.

I can personally believe that someone who has been accused of this is innocent, but I have absolutely no discretion to treat that person as innocent, but must exercise a duty of care to ensure the safety of any children in our congregation or activities.

Understandable.

 

[jacks]

It's not a matter of "having a problem with" him in a personal sense. It's a matter of having a moral (and legal, which is not trivial) responsibility to protect any children in the church.

I can personally believe that someone who has been accused of this is innocent, but I have absolutely no discretion to treat that person as innocent, but must exercise a duty of care to ensure the safety of any children in our congregation or activities.

The way things are done in Australia, that will generally mean such a person will be supervised at all times when on church property/at church events, and their presence will be minimised to only what is absolutely necessary (eg. they might come to a communion service but not social events).

Just curious would this also be true of other crimes. That is if someone was accused of assault or say armed robbery?

 

[April_Rose]

Just curious would this also be true of other crimes. That is if someone was accused of assault or say armed robbery?

Not sure what you're asking. Innocent until proven guilty (although sadly in this case he was still looked at guilty even with lack of supporting evidence) is supposed to be the law of the US.

 

[jacks]

Not sure what you're asking. Innocent until proven guilty (although sadly in this case he was still looked at guilty even with lack of supporting evidence) is supposed to be the law of the US.

Oh, I was just asking Paidiske about the procedures at her church. I assume it is innocent until proven guilty in Australia too, yet they may still take action against the accused apparently, if it is for safety reasons.

 

[NerdGirl]

how the christianity should approach the pedophile, how to cure him? (him or her)

They need to be kept away from children permanently and given not only prayer but serious, professional counseling for life. Pedophilia is often not 'curable'.

 

[Paidiske]

Just curious would this also be true of other crimes. That is if someone was accused of assault or say armed robbery?

Not to the same extreme (of, say, a supervised escort at all times); but certainly there would be precautions taken pending the investigation of an accusation of assault, particularly for those in leadership roles. I know, for example, of one priest colleague of mine who was stood down from his position while an accusation of assault was investigated.

 

[Cis.jd]

but it could be consider as mental disease how to bring the full force of the law to a mental ill?

Because there are victims involved

 

[Cis.jd]

if god forgives, you forgive too

This isn't about forgiveness but about justice. If the Pedophile has acted on it then justice has to be served.

I've noticed that you have two different threads defending Pedophila, I don't want to accuse or anything.. but why?

 

[lambofgod43985889]

What went on in Sodom and Gomorrah?

How did God punish them?

this thread is full of confusions, the punishment to sodom was in other time of god, not in the time of Jesus who proclaims the grace

 

[lambofgod43985889]

Because there are victims involved

i think in all ways we are victims, taxes for example

 

[lambofgod43985889]

This isn't about forgiveness but about justice. If the Pedophile has acted on it then justice has to be served.

I've noticed that you have two different threads defending Pedophila, I don't want to accuse or anything.. but why?

put you clear that i don't defend pedophilia. i should report you but i am not that kind of person

 

[Blade]

how the christianity should approach the pedophile, how to cure him? (him or her)

Hmm never in my life had someone "hey I am pedo can you pray for me?". Yet a simple prayer would not help. Allot of prayer with prayer warriors.

How to cure him/her? One word Jesus. Not the classic answer. But one has to hear from the sweet sweet Holy Spirit. To know what exactly is the problem. Could be family or as a child or just a habit and there is some kind of evil spirit there. Sin is sin. In this world some sins even when God forgives you still has a price