thank youMOD HAT ON
Really? I think that's enough of the personal stuff, especially in light of the topic. Please stick to the OP.
MOD HAT OFF
(and me, and everyone who posts here...)and...what exactly? one of the best ways to encourage someone, from my experience, is to communicate effectively, not with prejudice, preconceived notions, twisting of words and ideas, removing context, etc. etc. etc. The mod called for that as best I can tell...fair and graceful discussion of the topic of edifying one another...isnt' that worthy of a thank you? no matter who it is directed at?That may have been directed at you too...
so your saying that the scripture that tells us to not participate in course talk, is not telling us that course talk is sin? Hum...not even sure how to respond to that...sin is anything that is against God's command as found in scripture. When scripture says not to participate in course talk, and we participate in it, sounds like sin to me...I guess this is one we will have to disagree on, being that in my book, scripture always trumps opinion or justification.
when scripture calls it a sin, man has no right to call it not...but since that is covered above, I guess we are done with that discussion.
both of the quotes you objected to, exactly as I pointed out to you.
then it is a disputable matter, which again, we already talked about and would be a discussion that ended by Matt. 18 first step, if in fact, we were not crossing the line into judgment.
the question your responding to, is
confusion...how Matt. 18 says to deal with disputable matters when we already talked about the sinless issue would end with going privately just as Matt. 18 says, and in that "winning" your brother over...as in, peaceful resolution, just as scripture tells us to do, without crossing the line of judgment? Wow, now I am so lost, I don't have a clue what you even think you are saying.
so your saying that the scripture that tells us to not participate in course talk, is not telling us that course talk is sin? Hum...not even sure how to respond to that...sin is anything that is against God's command as found in scripture. When scripture says not to participate in course talk, and we participate in it, sounds like sin to me...I guess this is one we will have to disagree on, being that in my book, scripture always trumps opinion or justification. when scripture calls it a sin, man has no right to call it not...but since that is covered above, I guess we are done with that discussion. both of the quotes you objected to, exactly as I pointed out to you. then it is a disputable matter, which again, we already talked about and would be a discussion that ended by Matt. 18 first step, if in fact, we were not crossing the line into judgment.the question your responding to, is
yep...which means that the context of the quote is that of course talk. IOW's it was important to the point being made, thus specified and removing it from conversation because you didn't mention it first, is to remove the context of the quote in question which is rude, unloving, and otherwise contrary to both good communication and how God commands us to behave one to another.
it is when the topic is how to handle a situation that does not specify whether it is a course joke with fart humor or not.
again? are you suggesting that it is not sinful to partake in course talk, even though scripture tells us not to? Cause the quote in question, specified we were talking about course jokes with fart humor inserted, therefore, your only option is to 1. agree, 2. disagree because you don't agree that scriptures command to not participate in course talk, is not sin. So, should I find the scripture for you, or are you one of those that think sin is only those things that say in scripture, "this is sin" and everything else we are taught is wrong is just a bad idea?
by twisting and turning of which I am spending a lot of time correcting the misrepesentations, and it is getting old and really needs to stop.........iow's deal with what was actually said about Matt. 18 or move on to something bigger and better, continually twisting what I said by removing context etc. is only inflammatory and honestly, I am on the verge of reporting it as such. It is one thing, to accidentally misunderstand someone, but when you have been corrected multiple times and as another poster once said, lacks the respect to accept the misunderstanding because it is a form of correction, that is quite another matter.
yep...which means, that in line with Matt. 18, you go privately to the person, and in the agreement you have with the disputable matter, you have "won" them over. If on the other hand, one person persists in judgment, the second step of Matt. 18 becomes important, that of taking a witness. On the forum that would be equivalent to reporting the poster, of which I am to the point where I don't see any other way to get some here, to understand that taking things out of context and twisting another posters words then blaming them, is sinful.
we saw that when I told you that I would refrain from using lol in posts addressed to you, but you refused to accept it, and began bashing me with your opinions, which crosses the line and turns into judgment on your part of me...which is a sin issue. It only stirs love if it is accepted rather than beating someone for disagreeing with you.
(does that smilie offend you as well?) How is that love? How is it love to ask someone to leave a thread rather than expect those that stay, to follow simple communication rules, like not taking others out of context, not beating others up for disagreement, or not twisting others words into something not said? How would that bring about the goal of love, which is reconciliation and "no harm" to others who are being offended by rude (I Cor. 13, love is not rude) behavior and disrespectful debate? I will happily leave if you can show me how leaving would be an act of love that brings everyone in the discussion to a point of reconciliation...as best I can tell, it would just produce more of the same shameful behavior, which is not love at all.amen! which is exactly why it is problematic to say, 'thanks, I appreciate you accepting my preference on the matter, then turn around and bash the person with a continued assertion of why you feel the way you do and how wrong the other person is. If my pov is understood and properly represented by those I am talking to, there is absolutely no reason to repeat my opinion, unless, by my actions, I want to force someone else to conform to my ideas and opinions, no matter what my words say....it is what the behavior/actions say that speak louder than the words. It's also why it is harmful to tell another who accepts the difference and ends the discussion with that, to be called immature, insulting, condescending, and told they are unloving and at fault, rather than take responsibility for our own shortcomings.
