How to respond to climate change

[Subduction Zone]

You are clueless about what I have done and what my involvement in renewable energy is.



Once again you are clueless. Your argument is that we should use water as a kind of battery by pumping it up into a dam or some other structure, and then when we need the energy let the water back down. I know what your argument is. My response is everyone in the energy industry is aware of the benefits of using water, we have damned every river we can. Still you persist on saying you have a solution. I don't disagree, I ask you to show me, you refuse. And my request for you to show me the numbers is a "strawman arguement". If it is so easy for me to defeat your argument because the numbers will prove you don't have one, then you don't have one.



So are you talking about a solar farm, a wind farm or nuclear energy. Do you even know what your argument is?

Since you could not even address the argument as presented I am clearly not the clueless one.

Remember, all you had was denial and strawman arguments. You demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of this technology.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For some reason I doubt if I will ever be asked to provide evidence, I have been waiting. For all of the denial of water not being used for energy storage you would think that a person would have checked. The fact is that this has been used for quite some time and it works just fine. Nuclear plants are designed to run at a steady rate. They do not ramp up or down quickly. So associated with many nuclear plants are sites that pump water up into a reservoir of some sort during slow times and drains the reservoir during peak times:

How Energy Storage Works

"Pumped hydroelectric storage accounts for about 96 percent of this total storage capacity [2], most of which was built in the 1960s and 1970s to accompany the new fleet of nuclear power plants. Because nuclear power plants are not designed to ramp up or down, their generation is constant at all times of the day. When demand for electricity is low at night, pumped hydro facilities store the energy from nuclear plants for later use during peak demand. These pumped hydro plants have proven valuable for quickly adjusting to small changes in demand or supply. "

I was not proposing something new and untested. It is old technology that already works.

 

[rjs330]

Whatever the solution you can count on the fact that all the right people are able to make their fortunes as a result. God isn't upset with mankind for no reason.

He's going to judge mankind for wickedness and not because they drive cars that might not be as energy efficient and leftists demand.

 

[timothyu]

He's going to judge mankind for wickedness

Precisely.. and sin is not loving all as self, hence gain at the expense of others.

 

[ZNP]

The Lord called for judgement by fire​

Drought makes early start of the fire season likely in Northern California

Expanding and intensifying drought in Northern California portends an early start to the wildfire season, and the National Interagency Fire Center is predicting above-normal potential for large wildfires by midsummer.

Mountain snowpack has been below average across the High Sierra, southern Cascades and the Great Basin, and the agency warns that these areas need to be monitored closely as fuels continue to dry out. The agency also cites a warm, dry pattern in Oregon and central and eastern Washington, and assigns all of these areas a higher-than-average likelihood of wildfires in July.

Precipitation was below normal in April, and the high-elevation snowpack in Northern California peaked in early April at 60-70% of normal snow-to-water content. But with a warmer, drier May predicted, the snowpack is expected to be gone by early June, several weeks earlier than normal. The outlook calls for normal to slightly warmer- and drier-than-average conditions through August, resulting in dry fuel conditions.

Drought makes early start of the fire season likely in Northern California

6 times Amos quotes God as saying “I will send fire” and one time He says “He will set fire”.

 

[ZNP]

• https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/14/trapped-nightmare-situation-philippines-typhoon-offers-glimpse-climate-disaster-amid?
  'Trapped in a Nightmare Situation': Philippines Typhoon Offers Glimpse of Climate Disaster Amid Pandemic | Common Dreams News
  
  The worldwide outbreak of a deadly virus is now dovetailing with another grave global threat: increasingly hazardous extreme weather due to the climate crisis.
  
  Typhoon Vongfong slammed into the eastern Philippines on Thursday, making the first of numerous landfalls expected in the coming days and causing tens of thousands of people to contend with evacuations complicated by health risks of crowded emergency shelters due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.
  
  The first typhoon of the 2020 Western Pacific season, known locally as Ambo, made landfall over San Policarpo in the Eastern Samar province of the Philippines at 12:15 pm local time, according to the Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical, and Astronomical Services Administration (PAGASA).
  
  
  The Southeast Asian country, a cluster of over 7,000 islands in the Western Pacific Ocean, is home toabout 106.7 million people. The Johns Hopkins global coronavirus tracker on Thursday showed that the Philippines had over 11,800 confirmed Covid-19 cases and at least 790 related deaths, though those figures may be too low due to limited testing.
  
  "Provincial and city governments, many of which are already strapped for resources due to the outbreak, are grappling with logistical and space issues, with an estimated 200,000 people needed to be moved from their homes in coastal and mountainous areas because of fears of flooding and landslides," Reuters reported. "With an average of 20 typhoons every year hitting the Philippines... challenges faced by stretched-thin local governments offer a grim preview of disaster response in the time of Covd-19."
  
  
  On the Island of Samar, the powerful typhoon "sheared roofs from houses, uprooted coconut trees, and dumped heavy rain as it made landfall," according to Agence France-Presse. The news agency detailed how even though the Eastern Samar province doesn't yet have any confirmed Covid-19 cases, public health concerns still made efforts to shelter impacted residents more difficult:
  
  Because of the twin threat of the storm and the virus, evacuation centers in the central Philippines said they will only accept half their capacity and evacuees will have to wear face masks.
  
  Hundreds of thousands live in coastal areas and flimsy homes near where the storm blasted ashore, and tens of millions more on the storm's forecast path that runs near the capital Manila.
  
  "We are trapped in a nightmare situation where we face the threat of the storm as well as Covid," evacuee Mary Ann Encinares said at a shelter, where she and her children had fashioned masks out of handkerchiefs and rubber bands.
  
  As the region was battered Thursday by intense wind and rain, Eastern Samar Gov. Ben Evardone explained in an interview with CNN Philippines how the provincial government was struggling to safely shelter residents, especially considering that evacuation centers were recently converted to quarantine facilities.
  
  "It's a complicated situation right now in the province. We prepared our evacuation centers for Covid-19, but we have to deal with the evacuees of Typhoon Ambo. This is a nightmare for us here," he said. "Our problem right now is how we are going to place our people inside and how we are going to practice social distancing inside the evacuation centers."
  
  
  Further complicating the government response, Evardone said, some municipalities were experiencing communication disruptions because of power outages. He added that because "we have been dealing with this Covid crisis in the past two months, and most of the resources of the [local government units] are depleted right now."
  
  "Right now, the case with the typhoon is urgent," said the governor. "But we will not scale down our Covid-19 monitoring, because this will cause more danger and it's for the long term."
  
  There were no immediate reports of deaths or serious injuries from the storm, but the Associated Pressnoted that "the impoverished eastern region initially hit by Vongfong was devastated in 2013 by Typhoon Haiyan, which left more than 7,300 people dead or missing, flattened entire villages, swept ships inland, and displaced more than five million"—an example of the kind of disaster that could strike the country as both the tropical cyclone season and pandemic continue in the months ahead.
  
  The New York Times reported on Typhoon Vongfong's expected path for the weekend:
  
  Forecasters predicted that it could dump torrential rains by Saturday across a wide area of the Philippines, including possibly Luzon, the country's largest island, which has a population of 60 million and includes the capital, Manila.
  
  Much of Luzon remains on lockdown because of the coronavirus epidemic, which could complicate emergency efforts should the storm strike the island with particular force.
  
  "Definitely this is going to add to our emergency situation," said Harry Roque, a spokesman for President Rodrigo Duterte. "While the areas expected to be hit by the typhoon are not heavily ravaged by Covid-19, we have set some guidelines."
  
  Roque conceded that based on previous evacuations prompted by typhoons, enforcing the government's strict social distancing guidelines "would be a challenge."
  
  The environmental advocacy group 350.org has spearheaded the international demand for a "just recovery" from the pandemic that pairs economic relief with climate action. On Twitter Thursday, the group connected the typhoon in the Philippines to the simultaneous public health and climate crises:
  
  Some research has shown that landfalling typhoons over the northwest Pacific have intensified since the late 1970s.
  
  A 2016 study found the destructive power of typhoons striking East Asia had intensified by 50% over the preceding four decades because of warming coastal waters. Lead author and University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill professor Wei Mei said at the time that "we want to give the message that typhoon intensity has increased and will increase in the future because of the warming climate."
  
  As Typhoon Vongfong made international headlines Thursday, the Weather Channel also reported on a development halfway around the world: "The first depression or storm of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season is expected to form near the Bahamas this weekend, but will only bring a glancing blow of rain to parts of Florida, and high surf to parts of the Southeast coast."
  

 

[ZNP]

I know the news has been making a big deal about how the shutdown has cut down on the air pollution, but what that has done in the short term is cause much greater melting of snow and ice in the Northern hemisphere because of clear skies. We have seen a dramatic jump in the impact of the melting ice on the Atlantic Ocean currents. I think, based on temperature readings of these currents that it explains why the North East of the US has been so cool this spring while the rest of the country is experiencing record heat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know the news has been making a big deal about how the shutdown has cut down on the air pollution, but what that has done in the short term is cause much greater melting of snow and ice in the Northern hemisphere because of clear skies. We have seen a dramatic jump in the impact of the melting ice on the Atlantic Ocean currents. I think, based on temperature readings of these currents that it explains why the North East of the US has been so cool this spring while the rest of the country is experiencing record heat.

The shutdown has only slowed the rate at which we add new CO2 to the atmosphere. The excess that we have added alone will keep raising the temperature for quite some time.

 

[timothyu]

, but what that has done in the short term is cause much greater melting of snow and ice in the Northern hemisphere because of clear skies.

Clear skies would still reflect light and heat off of snow and ice as it always has. It is the decades of soot that has settled that is increasing the melt especially with clear skies, but also overcast. Anyone who lives in a snow climate knows that dirty snow will melt at well below freezing where clean snow/ice will stubbornly stay frozen in direct sunlight.

 

[timothyu]

The excess that we have added alone will keep raising the temperature for quite some time.

200 years according to the latest stats, but nowadays no stats are considered reliable so who cares..

 

[Subduction Zone]

Clear skies would still reflect light and heat off of snow and ice as it always has. It is the decades of soot that has settled that is increasing the melt especially with clear skies, but also overcast. Anyone who lives in a snow climate knows that dirty snow will melt at well below freezing where clean snow/ice will stubbornly stay frozen in direct sunlight.

Soot and dirt also goes away when the snow melts. Unlike CO2 it does not build up.

 

[timothyu]

Soot and dirt also goes away when the snow melts. Unlike CO2 it does not build up.

A winter's worth of soot is causing the melt right now. The snow will not be gone for months yet. It only stopped snowing at the mainland US northern border 2 days ago let alone 2000 miles north. The far north glaciers and arctic ice don't melt every summer. Only chunks and the top layers, and the soot from China goes back many years.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A winter's worth of soot is causing the melt right now. The snow will not be gone for months yet. It only stopped snowing at the mainland US northern border 2 days ago let alone 2000 miles north. The far north glaciers and arctic ice don't melt every summer. Only chunks and the top layers and the soot from China goes back many years.

Soot also reflects heat back out of the atmosphere. It may roughly balance in effect. Do you have anything besides hand waving to support your claims?

 

[ZNP]

Clear skies would still reflect light and heat off of snow and ice as it always has. It is the decades of soot that has settled that is increasing the melt especially with clear skies, but also overcast. Anyone who lives in a snow climate knows that dirty snow will melt at well below freezing where clean snow/ice will stubbornly stay frozen in direct sunlight.

Yes, but once the ice melts in the ocean there is a very big difference in the amount of sunlight absorbed by ocean water versus that reflected by the ice, so there is a feedback loop as well.

 

[ZNP]

Cyclone Amphan: Top 10 most destructive visuals caught on camera

 

[johneb]

The climate has always been changing, in the 70's The Science warnerd we were heading into a ice age. The Vostock ice core samples along with many others for different Artic and Antartic regions have concluded that CO2 is not a climate driver CO2 levels rise after a temperature rise. The lag is about 400 years according to these findings.
I would recommend that people question government funded science and look for real science.

 

[lordjeff]

The climate has always been changing, in the 70's The Science warnerd we were heading into a ice age. The Vostock ice core samples along with many others for different Artic and Antartic regions have concluded that CO2 is not a climate driver CO2 levels rise after a temperature rise. The lag is about 400 years according to these findings.
I would recommend that people question government funded science and look for real science.

Bingo-study real science.

 

[LightandTruth]

The climate has always been changing, in the 70's The Science warnerd we were heading into a ice age. The Vostock ice core samples along with many others for different Artic and Antartic regions have concluded that CO2 is not a climate driver CO2 levels rise after a temperature rise. The lag is about 400 years according to these findings.
I would recommend that people question government funded science and look for real science.

I totally agree and I've been saying the exact same thing for decades now. Back in the 70s they were predicting a new ice age and that could still happen, but the "narrative" changed to phony "global warming" propped up by phony data and government/media rhetoric and propaganda. REAL science has always been extremely skeptical of this view and the computer-generated "worst case scenario" models they are based upon. It's a huge hoax and lie and must be terminated permanently.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I would recommend that people question government funded science and look for real science.

There are three "kinds" of science:

1. Government funded science

2. Corporate funded science

3. Non-profit funded science

You've dismissed #1.
#2 in climate is 99% (or more) funded by the vested interests in emitting more CO2 (fossil fuel industry, etc.)
#3 is a mixed bag. Some position neutral, so just fronts for #2.

If you want an honest assessment you have to avoid #2 and anything in #3 they secretly fund, so #1 and the rest of #3 are your only hope.

 

[johneb]

There are three "kinds" of science:

Which category would you put the one world order group in?