• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. Please review our current Faith Groups list for information on which faith groups are considered to be Christian faiths. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum.
  3. Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. It reads, "Post a summary of the videos you post . An exception can be made for music videos.". Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share.
  4. There have been some changes in the Life Stages section involving the following forums: Roaring 20s, Terrific Thirties, Fabulous Forties, and Golden Eagles. They are changed to Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, and Golden Eagles will have a slight change.
  5. CF Staff, Angels and Ambassadors; ask that you join us in praying for the world in this difficult time, asking our Holy Father to stop the spread of the virus, and for healing of all affected.
  6. We are no longer allowing posts or threads that deny the existence of Covid-19. Members have lost loved ones to this virus and are grieving. As a Christian site, we do not need to add to the pain of the loss by allowing posts that deny the existence of the virus that killed their loved one. Future post denying the Covid-19 existence, calling it a hoax, will be addressed via the warning system.

How to lower abortion rates

Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by EnemyPartyII, Apr 17, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. PinkTulip

    PinkTulip Senior Member

    285
    +25
    Canada
    Lutheran
    Married
    Someone else can probably speak about this better than me. With the pill, an egg can be released (it is not supposed to work this way) and fertilized. However, the uterine wall will not allow it to implant. This is where they get the term. With pregnancy, an egg will not be released. I found this:

    http://www.pfli.org/faq_oc.html
     
  2. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    It is only as outdated as the Scriptures.

    (Romans 13:4) For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
     
  3. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    Children are a gift and a blessing from God.

    (Psalms 127:3) Lo, children are a heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
     
  4. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    They cause chemical abortions. Also, my statement is objective, it is not how I figure.
     
  5. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    According to that logic you could call any abortion an "artificial miscarriage".
     
  6. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    Abortions happen because people are sinful and the law does not protect the unborn child.

    (Ecclesiastes 8:11) Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
     
  7. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    A sin and a crime are two different things. All crimes are sins but not all sins are crimes. For instance we can't judge a persons heart, but we can judge that persons actions. Sins like lust or coveting often lead to crimes.
    All good law is moral law like outlawing murder or theft. The same with laws against sex crimes like rape, adultery, homosexuality or premarital sex. These crimes are all very destructive and should be outlawed and up until recently they were.
     
  8. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    What works is abstinence. Period, easy, simple, that is the answer but instead we treat people as if we don't expect them to act like human beings but instead animals. Teaching children how to have sex does not work. People become child sex advocates when they do that and STD's, abortions and unplanned pregnancies go on the rise.

    Condoms do not protect against STD's and even with pregnancies they have a high rate of failure.
     
  9. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    Bodies produce cancer cells but it would be wrong to induce the the growth of cancer cells and then say, "i want to know why one is considered an "evil cancer cell" and the other perfectly natural and normal" as if we really don't know the difference.
     
  10. rehcjam

    rehcjam New Member

    52
    +0
    Protestant
    Married
    Again, people wait years and have to go to other countries to adopt (babies, right, that is what we are talking about, unless you are advocating the murder of older children). I doubt that American babies are any less cute than foreign ones and the children that do have problems that are still young enough to be murdered under law are extremely few by percentage.
     
  11. EnemyPartyII

    EnemyPartyII Well-Known Member

    +809
    Catholic
    In Relationship
    This is a total red herring.

    inducing cancer in somone would, presumeably, not occur with informed consent. Abortion does. Therefore your comparison is invalid.
     
  12. StrangerThings

    StrangerThings Guest

    +0
    No, but it is American and it is right. Government should fear it's people, not the other way around. Anything else is facism.

    Facts disagree. You are not "pregnant" until the fertilied eggs attached itself to the overy. The pill does not cause abortions.

    Plenty of them are outdated as well.

    Barring rape, and pedophilia, which are not consensual, the government has abosolutely no place dictating how people may or may not have sex, or when they can have sex, or who they can have sex with.

    Abstinence doesn't work so much if you're raped, but that's beside the point. It's ludacris to expect everyone in America to hold to your moral standard, and what we think be damned. Abstinence education is the reason why teen pregnancies are on the rise, because of failed Christianist political policies.

    Yea, 2% is a real high failure rate. Tell me, is lying for God not a sin?
     
  13. freyajem

    freyajem Senior Veteran

    +210
    Christian
    LOL...abstinence...LOL. That is funny. You can't teach kids abstinence unless the adults practice abstinence. And we all know the adults don't do abstinence. One can only teach through their own behaviour. We live in a sex crazed world. I am separated but married, live alone and just playing on my computer, porn pops up any time.....imagine, when looking for a bunny card....who'd guess.

    I figure you don't clean up sex from the kids up. You clean it up from the adults down.
     
  14. freyajem

    freyajem Senior Veteran

    +210
    Christian
    Tell that to a woman pregnant and dying with her 14th child.

    Or tell it to a child unwanted and unloved by its mother.

    It happens.
     
  15. Lisa0315

    Lisa0315 Respect Catholics and the Mother Church!

    +1,482
    Christian
    Married
    US-Republican
    Alot of things happen in a fallen world. That does not mean that God desires mothers to kill their children.

    Lisa
     
  16. freyajem

    freyajem Senior Veteran

    +210
    Christian
    Ooooops, you're right Lisa.

    I was just talking about contraceptives, or so I thought.....maybe not. I suppose abortion and contraceptives can be placed in the same ball court. With a contraceptive that doesn't destroy life that has already begun, but prevents sperm and egg from meeting.....well then I figure an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
     
  17. Lisa0315

    Lisa0315 Respect Catholics and the Mother Church!

    +1,482
    Christian
    Married
    US-Republican
    Well, I have changed my mind about contraceptives. Easy for me to say now...

    Lisa
     
  18. freyajem

    freyajem Senior Veteran

    +210
    Christian
    How have you changed your mind about contraceptives? Is private and no need to answer. I was just wondering what reference that had to my words?:wave:
     
  19. Lisa0315

    Lisa0315 Respect Catholics and the Mother Church!

    +1,482
    Christian
    Married
    US-Republican
    Well, when I became a Christian, my personal view of contraception changed along with my personal view of abortion. I could not honestly say that one was wrong but the other was okay, because in effect, they are both prohibiting the will of God. If children are a gift from God, then, by contracepting, we are in a way aborting our future children. If we truly trust in the Lord, then, we would accept whatever children God gives to us. Abstinance, in the form of agreeing to instead worship God together is the only form of Godly contraception. I realize how Catholic this sounds, but it came from a deep place in my heart long before I ever started talking with Catholics here on this board.

    As I said, very easy for me to say now, considering I made pregnancy impossible when I was 26.

    I hope no one argues with this or condemns my view. It is just my personal opinion. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, only better explaining what I said to you, Freyajem.

    Lisa
     
  20. freyajem

    freyajem Senior Veteran

    +210
    Christian
    I certainly don't condemn you or anybody. I had my tubes tied after I had two children and went into deep depression after the second. I personally think that we cannot in our frail form, interrupt God's work. I had a friend who had her tubes tied and she had another baby. If God chooses for us to be pregnant, we will be and there is nothing we can do to stop it.

    But then, that is just my opinion.

    I have since read about many other women who have gotten pregnant despite tied tubes, the pill, whatever. There are even women who swear they never had intercourse but they are pregnant. God's will prevails no matter what we do. How is it that we think we can outwit God? Can't be done. But we can sin by trying.:wave:

    to edit: but God will forgive our sin if we repent truly to not do again. Thank God for forgiveness.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...