How to kill Palestinians

[thereselittleflower]

Their is nothing in the Torah that alludes to Jesus as the messiah and I answered you with quoting the verse in Genesis. And by the way Isaiah 9:5-6 does not have to do with Jesus or the trinity (or whatever you think it means) as the verse is talking about the salvation that tool place in the days of the child of Ahaz, righteous king Hezekiah, it is he who G-d called the Prince of Peace and the wondrous adviser is G-d Himself. G-d has a god where did you get that from as Psalm 45 states "Therefore has G-d, your G-d, anointed you." As I am sure this is where you took the verse out of context, all it is doing is affirming that G-d is ONE as in G-d, your G-d, the one and only so don't confuse Me with someone or something else kind of G-d, yep that is Him. It is not alluding to the trinity or Jesus as it is simply affirming the oneness of G-d by saying that the true and only G-d of the universe is what we Jews shall serve through His Torah. Genesis 17 states that G-d changed Abram's name to Abraham, a contraction representing his status as av hamon- father of a multitude- as the name Avram represented his former status of av Aram- father of Aram, his country of birth. Thus once again you took the verse out of context.

Zechariah 11:9-10 "I said, "I will not tend you! Let the dying one die and let the decimated one be decimated; and as for the remaining ones, let each devour the other's flesh! And I took My staff Noam and broke it, to annul My covenant that I had sealed with the peoples." It is talking about the covenant that G-d made with the nations of the world that they should never do harm to Israel, the verse is NOT stating that G-d broke the original covenant that He made with Abraham or Moses as that is in effect for all time so once again you have taken the verse out of context.

Zechariah 14:6-7 "It will be on that day, the light will not be either very bright or very dim. It will be a unique day; it will be known as HASHEM'S [day], neither day nor night, but it will happen towards evening time that there will be light." Does this seem like anything on earth, hmm ....yes. The verse is stating that this day will become famous as the unique day that G-d revealed His might and His wonders. When the tragedy of exile is soon to end, and the light is alluding to G-d's salvation as stated in the previous verses. I don't see how that points to anything that is not on earth. Again you took it out of context.

Daniel 9:24 "Seventy septets have been decreed upon your people and upon your Holy city to terminate transgression, to end sin, to wipe away iniquity, to bring everlasting righteousness, to confirm the visions and prophets, and to anoint the Holy of Holies." The verse refers to seventy times seven which =490 years thus it means seventy years of the exile that have passed from the destruction of the First Temple to this vision, and thus the entire 420 years of the Second Temple. Nope sure is not talking about Jesus and thus every verse you quoted was way out of context which is not shocking considering you are a Christian and as it was Christianity who deliberately rewrote the Torah to suit their own evil goals. Thus it is not Judaism that is flawed but you as well as the rest of the world.

Are you trying to make converts to Judaism?

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[gwynedd1]

Their is nothing in the Torah that alludes to Jesus as the messiah and I answered you with quoting the verse in Genesis. And by the way Isaiah 9:5-6 does not have to do with Jesus or the trinity (or whatever you think it means) as the verse is talking about the salvation that tool place in the days of the child of Ahaz, righteous king Hezekiah, it is he who G-d called the Prince of Peace and the wondrous adviser is G-d [Himself.

Tanakh,

Whenever anyone says something is out of context and fails to provide an alternate context then I generally assume the argument is DOA. It says a child will be called mighty God. I can here the studder in that bazaar explanation.

It is NOT a contemporary prophesy, in context, it is a latter day prophesy.

But there will be no gloom for those who were in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the latter time he will make glorious the way of the sea, the land beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.

G-d has a god where did you get that from as Psalm 45 states "Therefore has G-d, your G-d, anointed you." As I am sure this is where you took the verse out of context, all it is doing is affirming that G-d is ONE as in G-d, your G-d, the one and only so don't confuse Me with someone or something else kind of G-d, yep that is Him. It is not alluding to the trinity or Jesus as it is simply affirming the oneness of G-d by saying that the true and only G-d of the universe is what we Jews shall serve through His Torah.

Lets look at the context .

4In your majesty ride on victoriously
for the cause of truth and to defend* the right;
let your right hand teach you dread deeds.
5Your arrows are sharp
in the heart of the king’s enemies;
the peoples fall under you.


6Your throne, O God,* endures for ever and ever.
Your royal sceptre is a sceptre of equity;
7 you love righteousness and hate wickedness.
Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions;

Using a good Tanakh translation NRSV, as usual , we see God has a throne and is anointed. We know therefore the context is one has been anointed and that it is about God's throne. The context is obvious that God was anointed by virtue that the subject was a throne. God does the anointing.

Genesis 17 states that G-d changed Abram's name to Abraham, a contraction representing his status as av hamon- father of a multitude- as the name Avram represented his former status of av Aram- father of Aram, his country of birth. Thus once again you took the verse out of context.

Are you saying that Abraham being the father of many nations is out of context? Saying everything is out of context is basically a whitewash of things you cannot defend when you produce none of your own.

Zechariah 11:9-10 "I said, "I will not tend you! Let the dying one die and let the decimated one be decimated; and as for the remaining ones, let each devour the other's flesh! And I took My staff Noam and broke it, to annul My covenant that I had sealed with the peoples." It is talking about the covenant that G-d made with the nations of the world that they should never do harm to Israel, the verse is NOT stating that G-d broke the original covenant that He made with Abraham or Moses as that is in effect for all time so once again you have taken the verse out of context.

Is that why the Talmud recognized the Cedar Doors as the Temple? You are basically trashing the Talmud on that one. You took it out of context. Jeremiah tells you the Moses covenant will be gone.

‘The days are surely coming, says the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah;
9not like the covenant that I made with their ancestors,
on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
for they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I had no concern for them, says the Lord.
10This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,

Your posts offer not context at all whereas this has plenty of clear context.

Zechariah 14:6-7 "It will be on that day, the light will not be either very bright or very dim. It will be a unique day; it will be known as HASHEM'S [day], neither day nor night, but it will happen towards evening time that there will be light." Does this seem like anything on earth, hmm ....yes. The verse is stating that this day will become famous as the unique day that G-d revealed His might and His wonders. When the tragedy of exile is soon to end, and the light is alluding to G-d's salvation as stated in the previous verses. I don't see how that points to anything that is not on earth. Again you took it out of context.

The whitewash "out of context", its worn out already.




Daniel 9:24 "Seventy septets have been decreed upon your people and upon your Holy city to terminate transgression, to end sin, to wipe away iniquity, to bring everlasting righteousness, to confirm the visions and prophets, and to anoint the Holy of Holies." The verse refers to seventy times seven which =490 years thus it means seventy years of the exile that have passed from the destruction of the First Temple to this vision, and thus the entire 420 years of the Second Temple. Nope sure is not talking about Jesus and thus every verse you quoted was way out of context which is not shocking considering you are a Christian and as it was Christianity who deliberately rewrote the Torah to suit their own evil goals. Thus it is not Judaism that is flawed but you as well as the rest of the world.[/quote]

I asked you what applied to that verse? All you do is deny assertions while making none of your own. You have no answer. I did not claim any context all and tried to get some assertion and yet you use your same response to hide behind .

 

[Tanakh]

Are you trying to make converts to Judaism?

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NO I do not what the goy to convert to Judaism and I don't see how what I said could be confused with wanting gentiles to convert.

 

[Tanakh]

Tanakh,

Whenever anyone says something is out of context and fails to provide an alternate context then I generally assume the argument is DOA. It says a child will be called mighty God. I can here the studder in that bazaar explanation.

It is NOT a contemporary prophesy, in context, it is a latter day prophesy.







Lets look at the context .



Using a good Tanakh translation NRSV, as usual , we see God has a throne and is anointed. We know therefore the context is one has been anointed and that it is about God's throne. The context is obvious that God was anointed by virtue that the subject was a throne. God does the anointing.





Are you saying that Abraham being the father of many nations is out of context? Saying everything is out of context is basically a whitewash of things you cannot defend when you produce none of your own.




Is that why the Talmud recognized the Cedar Doors as the Temple? You are basically trashing the Talmud on that one. You took it out of context. Jeremiah tells you the Moses covenant will be gone.





Your posts offer not context at all whereas this has plenty of clear context.




The whitewash "out of context", its worn out already.




Daniel 9:24 "Seventy septets have been decreed upon your people and upon your Holy city to terminate transgression, to end sin, to wipe away iniquity, to bring everlasting righteousness, to confirm the visions and prophets, and to anoint the Holy of Holies." The verse refers to seventy times seven which =490 years thus it means seventy years of the exile that have passed from the destruction of the First Temple to this vision, and thus the entire 420 years of the Second Temple. Nope sure is not talking about Jesus and thus every verse you quoted was way out of context which is not shocking considering you are a Christian and as it was Christianity who deliberately rewrote the Torah to suit their own evil goals. Thus it is not Judaism that is flawed but you as well as the rest of the world.

I asked you what applied to that verse? All you do is deny assertions while making none of your own. You have no answer. I did not claim any context all and tried to get some assertion and yet you use your same response to hide behind .[/quote]

If you think that is what the text means then you are hopelessly deluded. You hide behind Jesus as I hide behind no one but I fear G-d. I find it interesting how you Christians take my text then use it to "prove" your religion is true and then tell us Jews that we don't no what our own laws say. This proves to me that you Christian indeed have an ulterior motive. And by the way the NRSV sucks.

 

[thereselittleflower]

NO I do not what the goy to convert to Judaism and I don't see how what I said could be confused with wanting gentiles to convert.

So converts to Judaism are not Jews?

What makes a Jew a Jew?

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[Tanakh]

So converts to Judaism are not Jews?

What makes a Jew a Jew?

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I never said that genuine converts are not Jews as I simply said that my post in no way was alluding to me wanting the goy to convert to Judaism. A Jew is someone who follows the 613 commandments without question and who's mother is Jewish, that we live our lives according to Halakhah. This is, in a basic sense, what makes a Jew a Jew.

 

[Tanakh]

"Forever" above is OLAM which is used for an age of undetermined and various lengths of time. It is used even of an unknown time as short as a man's lifespan. It comes to an end. It does not keep going on and on without end.

There is no promise of the land for an undending, eternal length of time.

An overliteralist reading of such words in scripture leads to such erroneous, presumptive, wild claims as you have made here, and attrocious deeds as have been perpetuated against the Palestinian people as we see by the Israeli Zioinsts.

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Then I suppose the claims of Jesus are not forever also? The Torah is meant to be taken literally and it is not my problem but yours that you cannot comprehend the meaning of forever. You never seem to mention the atrocities that were done by the "Palestinians" to the Jews of Hebron on August 23/24 1929 when 70 Jews were killed because the arabs were [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed that the we Jews were at the Kotel (Western Wall) and over the construction of a barrier to separate the men from the women, thus in their usual fashion the Muslims rioted for several days. A deliberate misuse of the Scripture by taking verses out of context is what leads to the false claims that you follow and what happens to the "Palestinians" is upon their own blood, their own doing not mine.

 

[Servant222]

What does the Bible say TLF?????

Does God say "Yep, you Palestinians have been badly treated by Israel and therefore you have a perfect right to send a suicide bomber into a crowded bus in Jerusalem and kill and maim as many men, women, children, grandfathers, grandmothers OF ALL RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS as you can." In my opinion, you are sadly mistaken if you believe God- and I hope Allah- would ever allow that to happen; it is the work of satan, not God, and those who do these heinous acts are soldiers of the devil.

And on the matter of the wall, I am sure that if you were having to put up with a suicide bombing, or other act of terror, on an almost weekly basis, you too would support building a wall. I personally talked to many Israelites in Jerusalem about the wall and they all agree that it was very sad, but an absolute necessity, given what some of the Palestinians were doing.

 

[Tanakh]

What does the Bible say TLF?????

Does God say "Yep, you Palestinians have been badly treated by Israel and therefore you have a perfect right to send a suicide bomber into a crowded bus in Jerusalem and kill and maim as many men, women, children, grandfathers, grandmothers OF ALL RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS as you can." In my opinion, you are sadly mistaken if you believe God- and I hope Allah- would ever allow that to happen; it is the work of satan, not God, and those who do these heinous acts are soldiers of the devil.

And on the matter of the wall, I am sure that if you were having to put up with a suicide bombing, or other act of terror, on an almost weekly basis, you too would support building a wall. I personally talked to many Israelites in Jerusalem about the wall and they all agree that it was very sad, but an absolute necessity, given what some of the Palestinians were doing.

Finally someone who sees reality!

 

[thereselittleflower]

I never said that genuine converts are not Jews as I simply said that my post in no way was alluding to me wanting the goy to convert to Judaism. A Jew is someone who follows the 613 commandments without question and who's mother is Jewish, that we live our lives according to Halakhah. This is, in a basic sense, what makes a Jew a Jew.

So, one has to have a Jewish mother to be a Jew?

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[Tanakh]

So, one has to have a Jewish mother to be a Jew?

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It is one of the requirements, yes.

 

[GorrionGris]

It is one of the requirements, yes.

For the Nazis a single grandparent was enough.

 

[Servant222]

The deliberate and indiscriminate killing of people to achieve a political end can never be condoned by any religion.

What the Palestinians who support terrorist tactics are doing is completely wrong- no cause, no matter how noble, can ever justify such actions.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Then I suppose the claims of Jesus are not forever also? The Torah is meant to be taken literally and it is not my problem but yours that you cannot comprehend the meaning of forever.

The words of Jesus were not in Hebrew. We are talking about the Hebrew word OLAM.

The Torah does not say "forever" . . that is an ENGLISH word.

The Torah was written in HEBREW.

The Torah says OLAM.

The Torah says OLAM as in:

Duet 15:17

Deu 15:17 Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust [it] through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever - OLAM. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.​

Obviously, once the servant dies, he is no longer a slave.

Obvioiusly, this word OLAM refers to an indefinite period of time that ends upon the death of the servant, that point in time being unknown.

Obviously, this word does not mean forever as in unending.

You never seem to mention the atrocities that were done by the "Palestinians" to the Jews of Hebron on August 23/24 1929 when 70 Jews were killed because the arabs were [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed that the we Jews were at the Kotel (Western Wall) and over the construction of a barrier to separate the men from the women, thus in their usual fashion the Muslims rioted for several days. A deliberate misuse of the Scripture by taking verses out of context is what leads to the false claims that you follow and what happens to the "Palestinians" is upon their own blood, their own doing not mine.

You are ignoring what incited such violence, the decades of violence and maltreatement of the Palestinians, from the late 1800's on, which even the renowned Jewish writer of that time documented from his first hand experiences when he visited palestine before the turn of the century:


Quotes from the promiment Jewish writer of the 19th century, Ahad Ha'Am, recounting his visit to Palestine:

"[The Jewish settlers] treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamelessly for no sufficient reason, and even take pride in doing so. The Jews were slaves in the land of their Exile, and suddenly they found themselves with unlimited freedom, wild freedom that only exists in a land like Turkey. This sudden change has produced in their hearts an inclination towards repressive tyranny, as always happens when slave rules." '(From "Truth from Palestine" quoted in One Palestine Complete, Tom Segev, p. 104)


"We abroad are used to believe the Eretz Yisrael is now almost totally desolate, a desert that is not sowed ..... But in truth that is not the case. Throughout the country it is difficult to find fields that are not sowed. Only sand dunes and stony mountains .... are not cultivated." (Righteous Victims, A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict 1887-199, Benny Morris, p. 42)
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[thereselittleflower]

The deliberate and indiscriminate killing of people to achieve a political end can never be condoned by any religion.

What the Palestinians who support terrorist tactics are doing is completely wrong- no cause, no matter how noble, can ever justify such actions.

And what does that make the Jews who support the Terrorist activities of the zionists both pre and post the birth of the State of Israel, which institutionalized the xzionist terror gangs into the IDF?

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[thereselittleflower]

It is one of the requirements, yes.

OK. so to be a Jew, one's mother must have been a Jew. . . .

How do we know one's mother was a Jew?

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[Tanakh]

The word olam means in the future or far distance as the verse actually reads:

Deuteronomy 15:17 "then you shall take the awl and put it through his ear and the door, and he shall be for you an eternal slave; even to your maidservants shall you do the same."

Obviously the verse means forever in the life of the slave as no man lives forever. So I don't see what you were getting at. Yea forever is an English word and olam is a Hebrew word meaning in the distance or future but not never ending as in for all time so I don't get the point you were trying to make.

In regards to the 1929 killings in Hebron; so are you saying that because we Jews built a barrier at the Kotel that this gave the arabs a reason to kill. When a Rabbi tried to protect several Yeshiva students the arabs demanded, they killed him simply because he did not comply with their demands. So lets get the facts here. We did not provoke the Muslims as they provoked us.

 

[Tanakh]

Double post

 

[Tanakh]

OK. so to be a Jew, one's mother must have been a Jew. . . .

How do we know one's mother was a Jew?

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How do we know ones mother is catholic, protestant or Hindu? We know because we Jews can trace our lineage back to the original tribes.

 

[GorrionGris]

How do we know ones mother is catholic, protestant or Hindu? We know because we Jews can trace our lineage back to the original tribes.

Well you have the baptismal records, and in any case it is irrelevant if your mother is catholic or not.

About the later part, let me be a wee skeptical.