How to fool a lot of people a lot of the time

[MorkandMindy]

Be not deceived!

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (Gal 6 v7)

For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind (Hosea 8 v7)

The Bible does not reveal the more complex forms of deception because that would just up the game to another level. But until that happens lets try to work out how deception is achieved in the present day.

It appears to be largely done by memeplex manipulation.

1. A person is persuaded something is good, if necessary by saying it is the opposite of something stated in the Bible to be bad,

2. and then it is linked to something else, and then to something else that is the opposite of what the opposing political party wants, and then to something else and

3. eventually the whole memeplex is accepted which by now looks like a party platform, and the person votes Democrat or Republican depending on which camel they swallowed, with the conviction of being right and decries the stupidity of the other group which showed itself to be stupid by doing pretty much the same thing.


But through all the smoke and trees there often is a choice that isn't as bad as the other one, unfortunately the barrage of arguments usually makes it almost impossible to show someone of the opposite persuasion what it actually the best or least bad, choice.

 

[MorkandMindy]

The elections in 2016 is the best example I can think of.

After G W Bush a lot of people swore never to vote Republican ever ever,

1. Vote Democrat
so that was the first piece of the memeplex, vote Democrat and you need to get some reasons to help yourself feel good about it and to support your decision, so here they are, well, 133 were listed so I'll be selective:

2. Global Warming
She will tackle the threat of climate change head-on by making America the world’s clean energy superpower—because, unlike her opponent, she doesn’t believe it’s a Chinese hoax.

She’s set a big goal: more than half a billion solar panels installed across the country by the end of her first term.

She’s set another big goal: to generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America within 10 years of her taking office.

3. Bring Women's rights out of the 1800s
Now that brute force is largely supplied by machines we need to double our supply of intelligent people (or triple it) by bringing women into the workforce, equal work equal pay, pretty obvious really.

4. Bring back Democracy
She posted on Twitter: “We'll pass a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United!” —Hillary

5. The best solution is the middle one
A middle path between the Republicans and Bernie Sanders
- a true Liberal

6. Just like us
Same mistake as everyone else made, sure she voted for the Iraq War but who didn't?

7. Not Sarah Palin
She knows what's going on in Laos.

Most of the other 133 reasons are too vague to be worth mentioning, others are too obviously false,

but in any case I have to stop there because I'm feeling ill.

 

[JGG]

I had salmon for dinner.

 

[St_Worm2]

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[MorkandMindy]

One key element of the memeplex is the Global Warming concern.

If you accept Global Warming then it is obvious which candidate knows what she is talking about and which one doesn't.

Another is Neo Liberalism, sounds like Liberalism for today.

And if you accept women are more compassionate then it is about time we had one for President.

Now just link them all together and since Democratic Party supports Climate Change action and is moderate rather than being a bunch of right wing racist Neanderthals, then the choice is clear.

And with over 77% of the electorate in the categories of Women, Minorities, Immigrants, under 35s or scientifically literate, it was going to be a total rout.

 

[Hank77]

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Love the quotes in your signature.

 

[Hank77]

One key element of the memeplex is the Global Warming concern.

If you accept Global Warming then it is obvious which candidate knows what she is talking about and which one doesn't.

Another is Neo Liberalism, sounds like Liberalism for today.

And if you accept women are more compassionate then it is about time we had one for President.

Now just link them all together and since Democratic Party supports Climate Change action and is moderate rather than being a bunch of right wing racist Neanderthals, then the choice is clear.

And with over 77% of the electorate in the categories of Women, Minorities, Immigrants, under 35s or scientifically literate, it was going to be a total rout.

She needs to be the right she, not just any she. imo

 

[St_Worm2]

Love the quotes in your signature.

Thanks, me too I've always appreciated wisdom quotes, especially from Christians.
.

 

[MorkandMindy]

And DT clearly stated the media was lying, well. They left out of the 77% the scientifically literate, I added that and should have added 'the sexually confused'.

How could anyone ever lose a lead like that?

But she did, furthermore the media failed to explain what had happened, there was some blab about red-neck white supremacists, who numerically don't come to all that many, and the voting statistics showed the Republican vote did not go up this election, it wasn't an outraged bunch of cavemen.

What actually happened was a lot of Democrats gave up on her. They saw the light and dropped her.

How did that work?

We have to look at the Memeplex

 

[Albion]

...and since Democratic Party supports Climate Change action and is moderate

 

[MorkandMindy]

Love the quotes in your signature

Absolutely amazing

I've never heard it explained so clearly ever

 

[rambot]

Relative to, say Europe, they are glacial.

 

[MorkandMindy]

Now just link them all together and since Democratic Party supports Climate Change action and is moderate rather than being a bunch of right wing racist Neanderthals, then the choice is clear.
...

I'll get to that, a lot of people are persuaded that reason doesn't apply nor do facts but there is this left-right spectrum thing and you just place all the candidates on that and it is all sorted. Nonsense but easy.


Some thought she being a democrat was left of Trump but obviously to the right of Sanders so she was a moderate.

That both Sanders and Trump are anti NeoLiberalism while HC is all for sending all remaining portable jobs elsewhere and bringing in cheaper immigrant labor to take all the non portable jobs, which makes her more of the odd one out, and she's a crazed war monger as well...

And yes, I switched from Sanders after he was pushed out to Trump as the only remaining sane candidate.

 

[MorkandMindy]

The idea of the memeplex is that things already believed make it simple to accept other things, and often the whole thing goes around as a complete way of thinking.

The weakness of memeplex theory I would guess is that often the pieces arrive separately, even decades apart, but then cognitive fluency causes the parts to be readily accepted and the entire memeplex self assembles out of the parts.

1. Lots of Republicans lack a college degree, under 35s with college degrees are overwhelmingly Hillary supporters. - her college debt reduction calculator might have a lot to do with that

but if you accept 1 then that will make you feel better about yourself for being smart and more loyal to the party of the other educated people

and this attracts:

2. Lots of Republicans are Global Warming deniers, most scientists agree it is a big problem and not a hoax so score again for having brains.

- if you don't accept Global Warming you are likely to find you are no longer an employed scientist and your opinion will not be counted. If you think being able to gain funding is not crucial to becoming a full professor then you know squat.

you've joined the team so along comes the next piece:

3. Liberals like you are educated and oppose racism and sexism which stupid NASCAR fans and D.T. still believe in, but it has no place in the 21st century.

- this is a myth but a complicated one. I've been rejected for work on the basis of being a white male, and on another occasion just for being male and on another for not being a minority, and that was in England. I believe in racial and sexual equality but not in reverse discrimination which has pretty much destroyed the last two decades of my life.

and now that you're a Progressive:
4. First ever woman President, that's a great record!

The first woman Prime Minister of England was possibly the worst, Mrs. Warstarter was sure to be the worst ever President in our 240 years.

 

[MorkandMindy]

What makes this collection of related thoughts (memeplex) so powerful is

firstly that accepting one or more of them makes the others easier to accept, and

secondly that disproving one of them will be resisted because it is all part of the person's way of thinking.

Rejecting the entire memeplex will leave the person with an empty head, and nature does abhor a vacuum, and

replacing an entire memeplex with another requires too many changes to all be achieved at once, and

there is this cognitive dissonance thing too and not many people can handle that, so memeplexes tend to last a decade or so.

 

[MorkandMindy]

And yes the Think Tanks do know how to use memeplexes to lock people into a way of thinking

and the most obvious example at present is massive numbers of Liberals wanting to impeach our President for his efforts to avoid war with Russia.

How can anyone be that stupid? Well they've accepted a way of thinking and that Trump must go and have decided they are intelligent and therefore right unlike the Trump supporters who are amazingly stupid as is Trump

and that rather than being thought stupid they will support mass murder on a scale never seen before in the history of the planet

breaking every ethical code the human race has ever had

 

[USincognito]

Is anyone else reading this thread and not having any idea what the point is?

 

[Albion]

Some thought she being a democrat was left of Trump but obviously to the right of Sanders so she was a moderate.

Wow. That has quite a different meaning from what was originally written, doesn't it ("and since Democratic Party...is moderate")? Anyway, it's resolved now.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

We have to look at the Memeplex

I see this applied to apostate Protestantism and other religions.

Pre-tribe
OSAS
Secrete Rapture
Infallibility of man
Hell
Purgatory
Immortal soul
Death
Isreal
And Yes the Sabbath
and many more

 

[Albion]

I see this applied to apostate Protestantism and other religions.

Pre-tribe
OSAS
Secrete Rapture
Infallibility of man
Hell
Purgatory
Immortal soul
Death
Isreal
And Yes the Sabbath
and many more

Huh?